[Fat Bob]

Mark
Mr Clipart will scale if you draw a box around everything go to node point right click mouse
Go to size there should be two boxes one in pecentage change from 100% to 2000% this should makie it to full size
Hope this helps …………FB

[Fat Bob]

hi Guys havent any recent knowledge of them but I did have a lend of one about 8 years ago and it was a really sturdy machine well engineered and worked really well no bells and whistles but a tidy machine. It also had a great holder that you could put any biro or felt pen in and it would draw and it was really easy to change. hope this helps
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[Fat Bob]

I think Fairfield design do a cheap plastic one or an expensive ali one

[Fat Bob]

I do the same as rob but use a good quality velvetI tried the velcro and found that it did scratch dark vinyls. Also it did not seem to give enough pressure the way I work.

[Fat Bob]

Had a lot of dealings over the years with lots of different companys and have found tmt will always give you the back up you require which is more than some others can truthfully saythey dont tend to make wild claims and thier service and goods are spot on. and before you ask no im not on commission 😆
Hope this helps………………….FB

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yes we were watching to see what would happen with this machine alough it is versacamm that is badged from certain discussions i have had i have been told that BP have modified it to run on thier inks i have carried out robs rub test on samples and found them to be good.

A Quick note on the Rub test. After reading about how rob was testing printed vinyl as we were looking for a machine
I started to carry the test out on quite a few samples and was quite amazed at the number that failed. this really got up my nose as the machine we had set our eye on failed. After visiting a few resellers of the machine and showing them one salesmen who actually new what he was doing fell about laughing.
Off he went and came back with a few samples try these he said some failed but a few did not.
I think I Know what the problem is and he went on to say how quite a few people who sell these machines are quite lazy or in some cases dont now enough about them he explained that if they are not profiled for the correct vinyl then thier is a chance that the ink for any of a number of reasons does not (for want of a better discription) bite into the vinyl and sort of sits on the top. as he pointed out when salesmen are asked to give a sample as usual they are busy os just grab any old bit of material and shove it in hit print……. walla… look how easy it is 🙄
Just to prove the point he took thetime to print a few things in front of us with the correct profiles and some wrong ones. Made a hell of a difference in rub tests we found that the ones that were right were dam nigh bullet proof.
While we are on the subject make sure you do your homework on the rip that you will be using you will be alarmed at the quality difference.
and dont be fooled in to thinking that because your mate is getting great results on his setup that the same rip will give you the same result on a different make machine.

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[Fat Bob]

Hi Guys
To be fair the stuff used to be awful the faults were endless but I have been in touch with the rep recently and he has just sent us a roll of the new improved stock(on sale from january)which on the face of it looks and feels good we will be testing it over the next coule of weeks ill let you know how it gets on.
soon ………………..FB

[Fat Bob]

‘A’

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£2200

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Hi Lorraine
Sorry to hear about your hard work bearing no fruit this time. Just dont give in as most have already said. Enjoy yourself well you can because I dont think you will be idle for very long. Also rejoice in the fact that one day what goes round comes around and if it doesent Make it 😆 😆 😆
Best wishes to you and hubby and have a nice Xmas and then consider what YOU would like to do and make it happen.
and if you happen to be traveling this way you will always be welcome to a cuppa and a chat.
We are looking for staff at the moment but You need one leg shorter than the other to work in Wales.
Love to you both………………FB

[Fat Bob]

Hi get ready for a master class in frustration.
all these designs are possible withh a lot of care and the right choice of vinyl.
I am a bit confused by your post is that the correect outline or are you actually doing it to a transit.
If you really want a top roof rack let me know and I willpost an adress for the best money can buy.

all the best and welcome…………….FB

[Fat Bob]

Hi Guys
If I May. The Usual way to price a business for sale is three times the amount of PROFIT turned over in the last recorded year as for worrying about about 50% from one customer, well You will find that those with regular customers that abot 80 % of thier business is done with about 20%
of thier customer base. so nothing unusal there. as for worrying how much you will take in a year forget it start with how much do YOU NEED
to live.
Hope this helps in some way

[Fat Bob]

trade engraving company called lewis – howes I think

[Fat Bob]

Hello Roland
Welcome to the Boards.
Vinyl cuts in panels
front bumber – front wing – front door – back door – back wing
lay down 1 colour (silver)
over lay 2 nd colour ( Black)

Regards Fatbob

[Fat Bob]

If it was a one on one video link or if you could split the screen and see and talk to say twelve at a time it would interest me – as a chat room stuff it if i need to talk that bad I pick up the phone.

[Fat Bob]

Hi Guys
Very interesting subject I have fitted more vans out side than I can remember and use all the tricks that you have. I have not seen any premature failures from this, the only total right off for me was when I once applied wet and it froze within an hour of of completion and when it thawed out the letters fell off 😕

Any way to get back to the reason for this post for all you poor buggers who dont have a nice cosy place to stik your vinyls on or get out of the rain. my tip is multistory car park and dont forget to sort out the regular attendant with a nice tip and get him used to you. they then turn a blind
and let you take small liberties and if you find a good one hell even find you a power point and a cuppa occasionaly. Even now I use this method if I have to travel some were to fit a vehicle when they havent got a premises and its raining 😆 😆 😆

[Fat Bob]

Hi Mike, Guys
With reference to your post I note that by buying with BP That They Supply You with a rip and Inks.
This then in effect ties you to them. with Roland actually based in Swansea coupled together that usually after a new machine has been out for a while other companies will start to supply
different options may limit your scope for the machine.
This is only my view and is not directed at BP as in fairness from what I have seen of the company I can only give them praise.

Rob
Have you had a good look at Mimakis Machine. we are at present researching with the same Thoughts for an edge replacement and this machine is looking rather Good at the moment

[Fat Bob]

Now Now Young Robert
You of all people should be aware that as we sit here the boys from your favorite suppliers are about let rip with a little product in gold and silver I belive which is double sided 5 year and the right price.

Regards the porky man

[Fat Bob]

Hi moonbrat
Ref £ sign if you cant be bothered to change key board try this

Hold down the alt key 0163 let it go 🙄

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[Fat Bob]

There is only a slight difference to the light clusters and the back windows are plastic not glass

[Fat Bob]

Hi John

welcome from Wales the land of the dragon.

If you look at a map its the nice place on the left GB the piece that with the help of Scotland stops england from sinkin into the sea. 😛

Nice to see you speak to you again.

ps By the way real cool web site.

[Fat Bob]

Cheers jon excellent idea.

any body else got any info

[Fat Bob]

Dont you buggers ever sleep.
Being as cox plastics are only suppliers you should delve a little deeper.
Kpmf in wales also will do 1 off colours but there was a minum order which escapes me at the moment. might be worth giving them a ring/e.mail in case you need them in the future

[Fat Bob]

Hi Karel

Nice work and welcome to you and your friends.

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[Fat Bob]

Quick tip if you buy the type of wheel cover aquaries supply they are covered with silicon from the moulding process I asume.

Take a gas blow lamp and pass it back and forth in an even pattern (Taking care not to burn or melt the Elasticated edge bit) Quite quickly
turn cover 90 degrees and repeat.

This burns the silicon off and seems to give a better surface to recive vinyl.

I found that washing it down with certain fluids only spreads the silicon not remove it.

This is also useful on some plastic ojects before they are screen printed

[Fat Bob]

Take a piece of 10 mm thick steel plate cut the letters out of it with a plazma cutter.
Weld them on to another piece of 10 mm plate drive 2 six inch H section girders into concrete about 3 mtrs down.
Get a large crane to lift the plate into position and get welding again.
Dont paint it let it rust.
The kids will paint it for you on a regular basis for free
Charge the council 5k due to your modern with it design that should be virtually vandal proof and maintenance free for about 50 years. 😆 😆
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[Fat Bob]

Hi Andrew.
That was very kind of you and has saved me a lot of time as I am a bit pushed at the moment.

Iwill endever to place you in my will or if i dont die before I meet you buy you an extra large pint or three.

Love from Wales…..FB

[Fat Bob]

Hi Guys
have dealt with a few wheel cover suppliers in the past and have recently tried fred cutlers.
The service was excellent.
The cover was finished well and is ideal for graphic application
all that and a very competetive price. What more could you ask for?
………..FB

[Fat Bob]

Hi Phil I read your post with interest.
I Know that life can some time be a bitch but dont sink every time have to swim. Check the customers card against a pantone chart and see if its as right as he thinks it is.
Explain the mistake that you both made. Rather than lose a customer plus all the ill that will be generated if talked about to other customers. call him up and offer him a proposition that might benefit you both. offer to redo the van to his satisfaction at the original price
Then suggest that being your been reasonable the least he could do is pay for the materials at cost. if he refuses. just take it on the chin and smile admit defeat then hit up in the air next time you do some work for him. At the very least he wont be going around telling every body that your crap. 😆 This way you only lose time and a bit of vinyl.

if he digs his heals in and doesnt pay.
You lose your time, your viny,l your money
and most of all you lose your name. and there is NO price on that

Love you and leave you……….FB

[Fat Bob]

rotatrim sawmaster.
also inquire as i think you can put a head on like the other machine for cutting glass and card.

hope to be in haverford-west in a week or two might pop in for a cuppa e mail me a map.

[Fat Bob]

Thi may come as a shock but the main supplier is now in Scotland lol 😆

[Fat Bob]

Hi Gray
If you dont mind the panels standing off the wall the then a system called split batton may be your answer.. if you have a table saw that cuts wood at an angle this is a piece of cake. slice a full length of 2 x 1″ tiber at about 45 degs. Screw and glue two lengths on to the board and then screw one on the wall so you can HOOK the panel on it.

Mark where the second rail has to be remove board by lifting straight up
now screw the second rail on. rehang the board. if you have placed the rails about 3″ from the top and the bottom of the board it will now be possible with a long drill bit and screw driver to put a couple of security
screw through the rail on the board and into the wall from underneath or
the top this will stop anybody accidently lifting the sign up enough to make it fall of the Hooks. This is Quite Hard to Explain so if you need a picture e mailed let me Know.

Regards…..FB

[Fat Bob]

hi guys seen the post.
Have a marshall machine with a load of foils tons of type and a load of paper stock.

anybody interested in making me an offer ?

….FB

[Fat Bob]

Hi Guys
Nice to hear from you both hope you are both well.
Im afraid I have to agree with the rest of them what your offering is worth 250 all day long. I also Know that dealing with building firms can be hard going. but if you stick to your guns and point out the advantages that this type of sign can be recycled a few times as opposed to what they normally get you should have a happy customer.

Dont forget if he comes back for only one sign with a promise of having the others charge him full wack and take the total discount off the third one. 😆

Cheers ….FB

[Fat Bob]

Hi Guys just a few points id like to ask please.

Would the vinyl you stick on have to be translucent or do you cut out were the letters aer going?

And i Know you have to have ovelaps due to shrinkage put wont the lines show up when its lit.

And do they make a translucent vinyl for flexiface signs?

Cheers…………FB

[Fat Bob]

like it
would make a very nice digi print on back lit material (like the menu boxes in burger chains)

[Fat Bob]

yes martin
using 10 mm greatly reduces the amount of warp you will get

[Fat Bob]

Hi Ian Try a laser on a Tripod you can get them quite cheap now.

[Fat Bob]

For Me this show was pi** poor

Loads of people all selling or supplying the same machines with different badges on at the same horrendous prices. very few people on the stands fully understand what they are talking about or the ones who do are to busy or gone for a break.

Like Chalkie trying to find a catalogue with what you needed on was impossible.

The one machine I was interested in the Nautilus was just stuffed in the middle of the stand and nobody seemed interested in giving much information and the gaffer himself ended up talking to us. He tried his best but was drowned out by the two guys doing a vehicle wrap demo. which was even less impresive as the finnish that was on the 4X4 looked like it had had a real bad spray job. We Know they can do a good job as we had a good look at the van outside. So Why show a such a poor example inside?

But To Say that this was the best example at the show which it was grates with me. has to how an industry thats is trying to drive the digital revouluton 😆 and all sell these machines give no consideration as to how you are going to use the end product. the one company that I did spot that had come up with a new idea had no litrature only brought a few hundred didnt thik it would be this busy and this was early on day 2 (:)

Another stand was launching a new sign mag i will hope to see that they take notice of the people and have a real mag not just driven by the advertisers as most of the others are. Time will tell.

I did find a couple of things on leds to be interesting at least the one guy had the sense to say that the samples were limited and they were only selling the leds and what you do with them is invent your own ideas and they will help with the tecnical probs with you. the one stunning example on the spandex stand ” just build for the show Mate I dont think their For sale” 😉

The only thing that made my day was meeting a few of the guys off of the boards and I would have taken them to lunch if the catering facilitys had been any good. ( Full Of people off the stands who looked as bored as i was)

Next year try getting some suppliers who sell products that we may find useful enough to buy instead of all the machines that would bankrupt most normal small firms.

[Fat Bob]

Congratulations kept that quite have a really great time and send our regards to Mr Lorraine. catcha when you get back.

[Fat Bob]

Well well

I din’t realise that you girls used those little boch things Iwas just explaining to martin how he could get a choice at a price. as for leads dangling all over the place well at least your jigsaw does not run out of power 😆 and as for burning out a power drill you must have been buying diy stuff and after all the only tool to have for walls / concrete etc
is the Hilti 36v with optional belt pack for those of you who are a bit weak in the Wrist and cant hold it up its only £565.+ 😆 😛 😆 😛 😆

[Fat Bob]

Hi Martin

The type of drill you require is a Rotary or Percusion hammer drill .

Yes the battery versions are expensive but as you saw for yourself this type of tool is the best.

If you want second best or in some cases the best option then consider the same make power version which will cost you in the region of £175 but then you will always have to be somewere to plug it in or bye a small generator to take with you about £200 (make sure its power out put is enough) this will then also drive things like an angle grinder or jigsaw lights and a whole host of things that are useful when your fitting a sign in the middle of nowhere.

Forget ordinary Hammer drills

[Fat Bob]

I Use both and I do not find one better than the other they both have faults and they both have thier little quirky way of doing things. but at the end of the day they both do the job and its time that both companies stop bolting on loads of shit that we dont really need and just concentrate on improving the basic things.

So to Both companies I say cheers thanks a lot

[Fat Bob]

Great Job

Could we share some information on the tech side as you are obviously very good at application as this model van has a lot of tricky bits to catch you out the depth of some of the moldings and the side of the roof all those indentations (im breaking into a sweat just thinking about it).

What type of printer and inks was used.
What type of preperation was done to the van prior to application.
Did you use any special tools on application.

Thanks for sharing this with us

[Fat Bob]

Nice one Alan

The best one so far 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

[Fat Bob]

Welcome old pal

Nice to see you out of your office at last 😆 😆 😆

[Fat Bob]

Hi Gray

Just as a point of interest I also have this trouble but i find if i minmise the front page its hidden behind it for some reason as before it was on the top.

Just a thought.

[Fat Bob]

Hi Martin

Do You Need To Track 10 Mtrs Unless its a graphic if its text just cut it in sections of 4 mtrs.

The actual loading of a machine has lot of little knacks put once you find them it is possible to track 10 mtrs or more my best so far is 37 mtrs on a mutoh 1300 using 610 vinyl and all 3 pinch wheels which makes a big difference as i hane never achived more than 15 on my sc650 which only has 2.

[Fat Bob]

Hi Rob Like the idea

Think the words need higher contrast also they seem a bit jumpy to me needs to be smother running across the page.
Regards …FB

[Fat Bob]

Yes Lads
some are stickier than others but if you buy from someone who knows tghier tapes they usually come in three Different tack Strengths like your application tape does.

[Fat Bob]

Hi Guys

I have seen a Keen cut type machine witha a saw blade that clip in instead of the blades this looked like an angle grinder with a blade instead of grinding disk to me.

I wonder if you could convert yours or bolt a roto zip onto it or something to give you more versatility.

[Fat Bob]

Hi Simon

Most Good Paint Suppliers or Car paint suppliers Stock it cheapest way is by the box

[Fat Bob]

Hi Skippy

Welcome to a world of madness and Knowledge.

and long may you stay.

…….FB

[Fat Bob]

Try Northern signcases or Kestrel Signs for your new ones

Yes it is possible to remove and clean up the perspex panels but its not till youve cleaned them can you really evaluate thier state.

Normally you would use an opal perspex thier are various decrees of opacity (let different amounts light through) if you need to do this then provided they were fitting properly you have a template for the new ones.

Clear can be used but if your face is not perfect it will show.

[Fat Bob]

hello

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Hi Tim

The boys are rigfht it usually is the plotter or blade settings specially if you scuff the end of the blade somehow.

But be aware that if you are sure it is the same make and match of vinyl
feel it make sure its not thicker /thinner because it is possible to have a duff roll of vinyl. I have had this only 3 times in 15 years but it is possible
if so send it back and have it tested most suppliers are happy to exchanche faulty products if that is the case. Just make sure its not your machine before you complain or they wont be impressed you. 😆

[Fat Bob]

Just been looking at the invoices and the product we have been using is cast pvc. which is Gloss both sides

Can we have your Views on this product please Graham.

[Fat Bob]

Thats it

Lets all go to Aus and live with Gray if its that cheap We can take it in turns to fit his signs for him and just soak up some sun and throw a few shrimps on the barbie. *drink* *drink*

If thats a no no can we just have Signschool over thier for a month. 😎

[Fat Bob]

Cor Blimey you must have the sorest nadds in the world 😆 😆 😆 😆

[Fat Bob]

Hi Jason

welcome to The boards

……FB

[Fat Bob]

Nice one Steve

Theyll make a Matlow out of you yet 😆

[Fat Bob]

Hi Guys

The point of digital print is to enhance what most of you already do and earn a living at, some of us quite merily beaver away and never even get ask to produce anything digi. and to spend what amounts to around 14 k
for a serious machine then another few thousand on a laminator without
having serious work for it to do is the road to finacial suicide.

Now take some of the big companys in this country who have been out and done 300k or more on a big mother of a machine and are in the same position on a much larger scale. and you have the making of an ideal opertunity for YOU.

There are plenty of firms who can offer you prices of around £12- 16 a square mtr. of full colour printed on to lots of different materials and either
uv varnished for a few bob more in the right climate this sells at around the £90 mark so why waste your cash forking out silly money on a machine then get kicked between the legs on a maintence contract when you can…..Buy it in.

The Only Draw back is finding a printer that tells you the truth about lead times and knows how to print on thier machine as to give you constant results….That apart the rest is a piece of cake.

[Fat Bob]

Hi Guys

The point of digital print is to enhance what most of you already do and earn a living at some of us quite merily beaver away and never even get ask to produce anything digi. and to spend what amounts to around 14 k
for a serious machine then another few thousand on a laminator without
having serious work for it to do is the road to finacial suicide.

Now take some of the big companys in this country who have been out and done 300k or more on a big mother of a machine and are in the same position on a much larger scale. and you have the making of an ideal opertunity for YOU.

There are plenty of firms who can offer you prices of around £12- 16 a square mtr. of full colour printed on to lots of different materials and either
uv varnished for a few bob more in the right climate this sells at around the £90 mark so why waste your cash forking out silly money on a machine then get kicked between the legs on a maintence contract when you can…..Buy it in.

The Only Draw back is finding a printer that tells you the truth about lead times and knows how to print on thier machine as to give you constant results….That apart the rest is a piece of cake.

[Fat Bob]

Hi Johnny

Try this one mate

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[Fat Bob]

Hi Mike
Last time I talked to them a company Thermal products had one under development. it might be producing by now…. if not they might be of use to you any way.
Website at thermalproducts.co.uk

hope this is of use ….FB

[Fat Bob]

Hi Guys

I stand corrrected for the moment re polyprop we have been using a material out side for over 15 years and i have always assumed it to be poly prop and the surface is ideal for vinyl so I will find out exactly what this material is called and get back to you hope you got your post up before carrie bought any.

soon …FB

[Fat Bob]

Hi Carrie

Talk to your plastic supplier and get some prices on polypropolyne or polyprop for short this is thinner 3mm and because the material is of a denser composition it is more suitable for screwing striaght to walls in the same manner as descriped in previous posts ask your stockists for some samples.

>>>FB

[Fat Bob]

Yes but it halves the vinyl and it only takes a couple of minutes to stik down while a mtr of the reflective stuff can be a small fortune 😆

[Fat Bob]

Hi Phil

Dont give the designer to much of a hard time even if his design is poo
If you do a really good job and make him look good he may well become your next customer and because there so stuck up thier own crevice

They will stand a heftier bill than most normal customers ago so you have to bite your lip and pull your hair occaisionaly but trust me designers on the whole are profitable customers in my book.

The down side if you make your customer look like a fool for using a designer is the loss of a customer. Just get him to supply it on a disk cut it complain gently how you have had to adjust the sign slightly to acomodate the new design and charge him 10% more than last time 😆

Is that the way that musto normaly is or are we taking somebody elses copywright material here to play with 😮

[Fat Bob]

Nearly right
Cut the 610 circles(red) in Quarters and nest them so you waste very little
(10 mm Overlaps)

[Fat Bob]

Hi Gray

A great bit of fun

Bunny looks a bit blue is he that way cause your on low price for trhe job 😆 😆 😆

[Fat Bob]

HI Ruth/Ramjam

1) You can buy the 600mm signs ready done from most of the ones you have contacted all you have to do is cut the numbers or graphics.

2) you can buy the reflective stick it on the blank then silk screen a translusent red border or green centre then cut the numbers.

There is a company that supplys a translucent vinyl to go on white reflective to make up the sign colours Ill dig the name out for you when I have a few moments

Bear in mind that there is a good mark up on road signs

Cheers.

[Fat Bob]

How about a full colour led display if they have money to throw at it

[Fat Bob]

Hi carrie

This is the sort of thing that goes into a method statement.

Daily Safty check on vehicle and equipment (ladders power tools ect.). Load vehicle within cofines of manufacturers Specification check load is secure. Drive to the site destinations within the confines of the law.

On arrival at site contact Site forman ask for a list of thier site regulations and be prepared to take any safty induction instructions visit fitting site
and carry out a risk assement report (more on that later). ……then carry on giving a description of exactly what you intend to do giveing all the safty blurb….. Followed by how you intend to remove or make safe any rubbish.( note if they expect you to dispose of any waste from a site you will need a waste carriers licence you have to supply them with a record of how you dipose of it and a record kept for 3/4 years this should also carry a heafty cost to them as its easier for them to dispose of it than you… If you get my drift. when finnished fitting its …… Remove equipment from site get satisfaction note from person concerned load vehicle to manufacturers spec check load for security drive back to depot in a manner complying with the law Ect..

And thats a basic method statement for you.

Risk assesment ………..is of the area you will work in and the acess to that place outline all the likely hazzard to your self or others and how you intend to deal with them…… look for trip or slip hazards powercables obstructions level floors widths of corridors doors sharp corners were you will not get a long sign or ladder around all these sort of points is what a report should contain. do you need scaffold to work or hire a cherry picker do you need a licence to drive it on site the list goes on and on.

On most sites you can usually get away with a two page report one if your very lucky. and this is usually supplied with the method statement. now you will normally supply a name of one of the persons who will fit the sign. and he/ she will be responsible on the day of fitting to read a copy of the risk asesment and ammend it as needed to carry out work on the actual day and thats why its in the method statement.

Hope this helps if you need more help on this subject drop me an E- mail with a phone number.

FB

[Fat Bob]

Well we cant play rugby

so we might as well try someting else like plotter racing or fast weeding

Tell you what we could even try making signs 😆 😆 😆

[Fat Bob]

Hi Guys

Try These for a price

Royal British Legion Industries 01622 717202

Rennicks (paul Clark) 01446737307 m 0836 716571

Both trade suppliers

ps. if you are fitting these on the public highway check your public liability for clauses.

Regards …FB

[Fat Bob]

Hi paul

A big hello to the Llanrumney boy… get stuck in now you got a bigger plotter youll have to work twice as hard 😆

[Fat Bob]

Hi Phil

I can answer the vinyl question for you after talking to a rep on this machine the only bad thing they could come up with was the the problem with the vinyl that is why they specify a certain brand.

If you look at vinyls in a certain light and at the right angle some vinyls have like an orage peel affect if you now what i mean a bit like a vehicle some times after its been repainted or in the case of fords a few years back straight from the factory standard finnish 😆

These very slight undulations are a problem on this particular machine as it tends not to print well in the valleys and so affects the print quality. They say that the vinyl they use is perfectly flat but i am sure ther must be others on the market.

Hope this helps.

Ps. have you looked at the machine that Grafityp are marketing Look out for it if tou go to sign uk ( Forgot the name) and take a tricky file with you on a cd and ask them to print it for you on all the machines you can find of this nature then you can get to compare them instead of looking at the fabulous artwork they will no doubt have spent ages tweaking to look good and does not resemble the type of job that we get from normal customers.

[Fat Bob]

Hi Carrie

And Welcome to the pleasure dome Guaranteed to give you hours of pleasure and enjoyment (better than any person)

Just Remember no matter how little time you have to yourself in a day just make enough to teach your self at least one new thing every day.

Regards ………FB

[Fat Bob]

I Thought we werent going to allow any traders on this site pushing thier products 😆 😛 😎

[Fat Bob]

Well done guys you just learned a big lesson and that is that even the simple jobs can be pain in the neck you also learned that you can do a job in a varity of ways nothing is set in stone.

And the very fact that you did a piece of vinyl with your hands is good as you will get a feel for your materials and what they react to very Quickly
and the good news is you suceeded in doing something on your own give you a couple of more weeks and you will soon see a big improvement.

Bet you got a big buzz when you done it……… when you lose that buzz
its time to Quit or youll end up in same slave like drudgery that other poor misfortunates call a life.

Love to you both………..FB another old funky fart.

[Fat Bob]

😛 😛 😛 😛

Not as much fun as when I got a full size key board for the zx81

[Fat Bob]

Hi guys

Get them all the time What I used to be was totaly rude and tell them to f off. but found thier was no fun in that. So now I explain to them that I have allocated all of my advertising fund for the year thank you. If they are then cheky enough to enquire as to what on I tell them free rounds of drinks at the golf club. 😆

My other pet hate is the ones who will collect your bad debts for you.
I just tell them that I never get bad debts. I also tell them that should that ever be the case my Brother is a bailiff any way. 😛

[Fat Bob]

Ah but is she happy in her work. and can she have a day off to go to the Hair Show. And if you bugger up a sign you sling it in the bin and do another one. Cant do that with a birds head. Or can you 😆

[Fat Bob]

Hi Guys

Its Dam hard to try to explain somethingyou get to do as a second nature Normally iwould go dry on that size. But I think you should go wet till you gain more confidence.

Try This If You like. Cut a piece of vinyl approx 50mm Larger than the board you wish to cover. having cleaned your board with meths (assuming your both up for this ) Buy a small garden spray gun. Fill it with a mixture of 1 part meths to 6 parts of water Different people use different
mixes) Water on its own – Water with a single drop of washing up liquid and numerous others. Iuse Meths mix cause i like it after you used it throw it away as after a day or two it stinks and is not as afective.

spray the board lay the vinyl side on to the water ( i do it this way) peel of the backing paper (the suction helps) DO NOT get the backing paper wet as this causes it to stick to the vinyl and is troublesome.
With the paper now off spray the sticky side of the vinyl absolutly soak it your first couple of times till you start to get a feel for the vinyl. Now take a corner each lift and turnit over line it up so you do cover the whole board Ifind it easy to keep one end up line the other up with the corners then slowly let it down if you have a lot of water down it will seem to flow on and as the back is already wet it helps to stop the viyl scratching as you squgee the water out from the centre Out. Again this is a preverence but i seem to do a sort of herringbone patern thing. if your still a bit worried try it on a formica work survace with any old bit of scrap vinyl first.

Hope this helps …..FB

[Fat Bob]

We Were dead lucky mate they tried this out as a test area and we were
doing some work at the Royal Welsh on thier stand and they gave us all the info at the time.

As for news groups havent got a clue youll have to nip over here one evening or summit and have a play your self as i dont use them or even know if I should do. Give us a ring Im Doing sod all tommorow if your a bout 077976557797
…FB

[Fat Bob]

Hi Guys

Been running bt broad band since November No Problems what so ever
Using thier bt voyager usb adsl modem.

Did not have much else in the way of joice no cable in this part of the world. my mates signed up to sky and is having nowt but grief at the moment.

More Later

[Fat Bob]

Hi Brian

I thought you were a signlab Dealer I asumme you use it to drive an edge does e6 not do this and dont most sign packages convert eps to plt.

Regards ….Fb

[Fat Bob]

Come on is ther no one around that are who wants a nice little wedge for a day

[Fat Bob]

“eye eye”

[Fat Bob]

Welcome Mike

thought that part of the world was beggining to be a desert if you Catch my drift.
if we carry on like this well have a Enough to give them a game of rugby or soccer 😆 😆 😆

[Fat Bob]

flexi what

[Fat Bob]

Yea its a sign man thing and were not alone when you going to put a ploody spel chqer on this thing

[Fat Bob]

Hi Again Just come across this

Not a critism more of a prefference I would have tried to pull back the back strap line so it did not run on to the door and the phone number the same

That said thiers sod all wrong with that and it shows your not scared of coming over gaps so I dont think it will be long before we see some sexy work coming out of your workshop. and well done youve alredy achived more than me as i have not worked out how to up load pictures yet.

Youll have to give me a lesson someday 😆

………….FB

[Fat Bob]

😆 😆

If that had been a j insted of the k and in front of the o I might know a man who would buy that 😛 😛 😛

[Fat Bob]

Hi Andrew
Nothing Wrong with starting young mate

So long as you can stick them letters on straight after a night down liquid
or the walk about bar 😆

At least you have some help at your finger tips if you need it which is more than most of us had when we started.

Youve done the hardest part now get stuck in and enjoy

Regards…………FB Only over the hill or is that completly over the hill 😆 😆

[Fat Bob]

I have been on tender hooks since xmas I think your stringing us along and the shop your on about does not exsist 😥 😥

Never mind perhaps bsga will open one up in a minute 😆

[Fat Bob]

Well Done phil

Thanks for alerting everybody to the place where I have been trying to place everyone. and at the moment this is the the case for 2 years and now that the BSGA are going to look At this loophole for us Wont That be great. Does no one including the citb think that this is all the building trade has been doing for the last 2 years is signing off thier own guys.

Does anybody think that all signfitters are registered electricians.

Are all Neon Fitters Gorgi Registered after all they are Handling Gas You Know.

I Dont want to slag anyone in person off 😆 but did the bsga think they could run this Whole scheme forthemselves or thier members

Does the citb think it will make a real difference when their are sites that still dont have to be controlled by them

Who are the directors of cscs ltd. Dont supose that any of them are in trade unions governing the building trade by any chance

Talk about Jobs for the boys well well

The Trouble is that as per usual is the Bsga Which is kind enough To Look After The Likes of us poor signwriters is they missed the boat as usual
They should have got of thier backsides and started thier own scheme
as this problem was discovered 3 years ago and then affiliated thier scheme with CITB then we would not be in this mess.

All we would have to do is join the Bsga And they Could Have Help us all
Through these Trying times. Course I dont now what they would charge to sort this out.

Please note that the views above are my opinion and not Those of uksignboards

[Fat Bob]

hi rob

Iwas thinkiing thatn you just may be able to give the suppliers thier own
forum which only suppliers have acess and contained thier in could be a list of uksb full members that would be entitled to the discounts they offer
and this was a way for them to see at a clance who was eligible.

only a thought.

[Fat Bob]

Hi Rob

Read about the suppliers problem. Would it be possible to give suppliers you have done a deal with, acess to a members forum which lists a limited profile which only they can acess

As I see were your coming from and this could turn in to a messy situation and needs some sort of control