Simon Worrall
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Odd I just heard the name Kemica for the first time last week while quoting for frosting on a new medical centre in town.
We are quoting 3M Frosted Crystal. The competition is quoting Kemica.
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Ken Gleeson, Magpie Neon, Kent.
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You will also scratch the hell out of the print.
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Oh sorry just re-read your post properly you were not going to print it.
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That APA Truck vinyl will never come off Pane.
Even if you try to get it off it will defeat you. -
It was worth it Pane.
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The final length of the print will depend on the feed calibration, which you can adjust.
If the lines are tight together the whole print will withdraw a bit.
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I am still using vinyl I bought up to 15 years ago. Oracal 551 and 751.
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quote Robert Lambie:Thanks for the feedback….
Looking at the majority of the fail areas.
It does not fail on the single layered text as you say. so i would rule out the media and the surface its fitted too as the blame.the real issue is you have “stepped” the overlap of vinyl to create the shadow.
This step has reduced the pressure of “contact friction created “and needed” when applying the vinyl with your squeegee, as it bumps over the ridge at speed. so the larger areas are all firmly bonded but the surrounding area of the letter at the top is “loose” in comparison.
also, because of that “ridge/step/bump” it creates a small cavity behind the film also.Now, If you look close to the areas that have failed and the progressive deterioration direction. they are more at the top of the letters working their way down or down and around the shape of the “step”.
What is happening here is the water coming down off the roof or rain in general, is running down the face of the letters and running inside the “cavity” created by the ridge.
This now dirty water running through the cavity behind an area of vinyl that didnt have the same amount of pressure applied “just around the overlap” is deteriorating. Coupled by the accelerated shrinkage of a Calendered film in an area that doesn’t have the proper tack/adhesion that it should. this is the foundation for a progressive fail like this.
Continual dirty water coming down from the top, resting on the flap forward of vinyl, the more it will curl and peal back like it is in the picture, ultimately leading to the fail you have now.
Clear evidence of this on the letter “N” the dirty adhesive residue shows how the water has hit the letter at the top and worked its way down either side of the leg of the letter, forming a sort of pointed dirty adhesive mark. the clean areas just below this, is obviously were someone has tugged back the dog-eared vinyl by hand. Same applies withe the “R” etc.It is elementary, my dear Watson. :smiles:
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What is behind the old warped plywood?
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I like to keep my van empty except for a ladder, and load up with the tools required for the job in hand.
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Those are really nice.
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To prevent seepage under the mask, paint a first coat with a clear
Then paint the colour you want on top of the clear.
This will seal the mask against further ingress of paint, and any clear that gets under the mask will not really be very visible later.
I would use a quality external acrylic paint for this job.Simon
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Cheers Iain. :smiles:
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Try the blueprints
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Its okay I have solved it. Thanks everyone.
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Very nice job, Neil.
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Its a europe thing. It will be not out problem by next year. lol.
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T5 Kombi here too with the clippy out seats.
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3M VHB tape.
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Would anything magnetic even make it through a printer?
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Its all very well to price to the nearest ten minutes, but it all falls apart when something goes wrong, (which in my case is quite a high percentage of jobs). Somehow those mistakes have to be costed in to your quote. Mistake time, +20%
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Turn away jobs that are dynamic or electric.
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If you get a box truck you have the same size coverage and you get a truck to use.
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I would guess you are using either very old stock, or a cheap non-branded product.
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You turned around a grands worth of tray signs for me in two days.
That was good service.Good luck in the future.
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Your fingernails are the fastest.
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Hi Myles
Is there any reason you can’t put stoneguard or some other protective clear film on the screen? or do they have to be completely enclosed? -
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I take it back…just found some!
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Can you even get 40mm acrylic in White?
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Score and snap, as James said, but go over the rough edge with a hand plane a few times, and the edge will be better than the edge left with a saw.
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Put the apostrophes in the right place. :smiles:
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quote Pane Talev:Do not forget to cut around the fuel door when wrapping 😉
I just got a call from a client who is on petrol station and want to refill the car.
Luckily he had a sharp knife in the van.
Nevertheless, I feel embarrassed. :claps:
Lol Pane!
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Dude I would pay you a small fortune to not have to hang off that building. :smiles:
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Get good insurance.
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4mm ACM mostly.
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Unless there is a very good design reason not to, I follow the base of the van, (which usually follows the ground, which is why it works best.)
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quote David McCarroll:While this thread has some attention, am I correct that it’s the coated swatch we should be working off of for printing?
Also, when ordering custom paint aerosols or getting paint mixed for painting built ups, is coated the best book to work off of also?
Good point David…
Only yesterday I almost ordered the wrong colour because I didnt check the C or U at the end.
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I didnt know there were ten million colours!
I think 3d printed houses is going to be huge.
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Am I right in thinking that because the solvents are heavier than air the extractor should be situated at ground level? Which is a good thing because the air down there is not as warm as the air above it, so you would not be wasting so much heat.
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Hmm curious. William Smith says they sell them in 50 meter rolls on their website.
they certainly sell it in 50 yard rolls here in New Zealand, and in the USA.
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quote Kevin Mahoney:What sort of bundle costs are involved with all these brands?
We get pretty reasonable rates for the 3M (according to our rep anyway, but they all say that) but not pressed for any comparisons recently, I pay around £840 for a 50mtr bundle of ij180 so not sure if there’s a big saving or not?Kevin
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quote Colin Crabb:£32k + £20K OTE + company car/car allowance
What is OTE?
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I went all the way back to cutting master #2, because #3 was rubbish.
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That is a hand painted sign.
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We had one customer that didnt pay us for over two years.
Because the bill was only about $300 (150 pounds) we didnt really think it was worth court action, other than an invoice every two weeks or so, to no response whatsoever.
Anyway, a couple of weeks ago she showed up on facebook, commenting on a story about lowlifes who had nicked a package that had been delivered to them mistakenly and who then put the contents on an auction site for sale.
The hypocrisy of it really annoyed me.
I waded in and said "thats no worse than people who dont pay their bills for two years."
She paid our bill within five minutes, and I deleted my comment.Amazing what a little public shaming can do.
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Ill second what Dan said. Only certain colours. With mine it is light greens and blues.
I spent many hours tearing my hair out (what’s left of it) trying to fix this, and never found a cure, or a workaround.
I ended up subbing out all jobs that involve these colours.
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Hey Dan
It might be worth considering placing a diffusing layer – of opal perspex – in front of the lights to spread them out a bit. – if the budget allows for it.Simon.
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Nice work, Brian. :smiles:
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The guts will allways be visible with a sign like this.
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Just to add my 2 cents…if you are going to cut strips against the glass use a stainless steel blade. You wont scratch the glass that way.
Simon
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Merry Christmas Everyone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol3fQrk … oah%27sArt -
I think it came with.
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Versaworks.
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We always use TEXTILE HEAT TRANSFER for our canvasses with our Roland SP540V and the results are excellent.
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As soon as the warranty ran out on our Roland sp540v we switched to JETBEST inks.
That was more than 8 years ago.
There was no difference in the print, and we were still running the original heads until a few months ago, which is a pretty good run for a busy machine.
The only drawback is our machine doesn’t recognise the chip on the cartridge, so we just swap it for the old one when we change. -
I’ve had this cool old studio in the West Sussex countryside for the past year, but I’m off back to New Zealand soon, so sadly I am leaving it behind.
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This might help…
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I agree with Phill.
I go by the way Adobe Illustrator describes it – when you create a rectangle it will ask you for width first, height second.
I think that is pretty well the industry standard.
Customers usually don’t know this.
They will often ask you for a banner 5 meters LONG by one meter WIDE.
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I like it!
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I don’t know how to contact you Iain.
noah@noahsart.design -
I made my own bench from used scaffold boards.
It has castor wheels and measures 3m x 4 feet x 1m high.
It has an MDF top which I have covered in 6mm coreflute, which is quite good for cutting on.
It is not very pretty but it is very rigid and stable, and flat.
You can have it for a tenner – you just have to come and collect it from West Sussex.
Here is a pic.
Email me if you’re interested.
noah@noahsart.designSimon
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Joe…perhaps we can come to some agreement re shipping my plotter to you? Parcel monkey have quoted 71 pounds to the republic.
It is a truly outstanding plotter. 🙂Please email me: noah@noahsart.design to discuss.
Simon.
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I would be grateful if anybody can suggest the best auction site or machinery site to advertise this plotter – apart from this one of course, which is brilliant!
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Daniel
I have used most of the methods people have suggested, they all work fine.
However:
I have found it is almost impossible to apply multiple layers of vinyl all at once to a vehicle without getting a severe case of air bubbles, unless you use air release vinyl.Simon.
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Good save, Jamie.
I have had to do exactly this on a number of occasions!My SPS540 cant print light blue/green properly.
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Thanks for the replies, there seem to be many opinions on the best way to do this job.
Martyn I like the idea of printing the line! I reckon we could do it for much less money that way!
There is no reason it wont look just as good, supposing we can match the colour…Using knifeless tape on the larger group of lines would involve eight perfectly parallel strips all along the body length..
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IMHO a business only becomes viable for sale if it can run independently of any input by the owner, and provides a positive income on top.
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Just in case it is not too clear on my pic here is a close up of the lines…
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Danny winds are not a problem (within reason) as long as you keep it staked to the ground.
There are warnings all over it reminding you to stake it – tent pegs or u-pegs would be okay, they would probably come with the item if you got it new.
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I bought a blow up one the other day, secondhand. I also bought a brand new blower to go with it.
It works very well, and it easily fits a VW transporter with about a meter space all round to work in. The ends zip up to close it. It lets in enough light to do a wrap.
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Try the-blueprints.com. They sell individual profiles online. You can usually find what you want there, (although the quality is sometimes not all that.)
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I started with a small shopbot – I think it was 3 ft by 2 ft – but soon realised that apart from the fact I was getting bigger jobs, most materials come in 8 x 4 sheets, so it became a bit of a hassle – every time I started a job the materials had to be cut down to size with a saw or ordered to be cut at source.
This added heaps to the time for each job AND the cost of materials, not to mention the extra bits of material I didnt need which I had to store or dispose of.
I pretty soon got an 8×4 shopbot to replace it.
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Hi
We are about to print an image that is just 30 KB onto a pair of canvasses total size 2.4m x 1.6m
The customer is aware that it is very pixellated, even in their large living room, but they like the pixellated effect and are certain they want to go with it. This pic is of a beautiful beach in Tasmania.
I have done very low resolution large work before, and it usually comes out quite interesting, if a bit abstract.
As long as the colours are good and the customer knows what to expect , it can be really successful.
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I use teflon squeegees. they are more slippery on the surface, and they are less aggressive on bare vinyl
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I think wrapping the edges looks so much better.
Specially when there is a join between two sheets.
We offer it as a service. -
Some hand held printers.
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Mike
I got the T32 4-motion. -
I think you misunderstood me Martin. I meant paint the sign using paint!
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I got a kombi last year
Partly because of Iains posts.
Trailer hitch and roofbars
I transport two kids AND their stuff with signs and tools in the back.
And we visit the dump on the way!No complaints.
Here is the forum:
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Paint it.
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Cheers Jamie, font maestro
Simon
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They probably need an anchor figure from you to determine what their budget SHOULD be, as they have no idea what it all costs.
Throw a few numbers at them, from high to low (ie. Routed letters, Clear panel on standoffs, vinyl on wall) chances are they will go for the middle number.Simon.
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1000mm height suits me perfectly for my 5’11".
10mm toughened glass for the top cant be beaten. It is smooth and easy to clean.
You can cut directly on the glass using stainless steel blades which dont scratch glass.
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That looks like it, thanks Jim!
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Sorry I should have restated that…it is actually an "Adhesive Promoter" – their words – designed to be used with 3m products.
That’s not to say it wont work with any of them.
It doesn’t work with Avery Supreme.
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3M 94 will help but dont guarantee it. :smiles:
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Beautiful!
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Yup customers like to get their money’s worth and use all the space they have paid for :smiles: :smiles: :smiles:
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Lovely work Brian.
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If the print is heavy all the way out to the edge, you will have to leave it much longer than 24 hours to outgas before laminating. This is usually the cause of this problem.
Edge sealer might save your job if there is something to adhere to, the black polypropylene core of the dibond panels is not very stickable. Perhaps if you plane the front edge at 45 degrees with a hand plane to expose a bit of aluminium you would get a better result with that. -
quote Pane Talev:Simon, at £25 a meter I will expect the vinyl to apply by itself 😆
😆 😆 😆
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OK thats a surprise!
I ordered from All Print Supplies, because they had the colour in stock.
Package arrived this morning, and on the invoice they have charged me only £19.50 +vat per meter. That is a lot less than I was quoted over the phone.Is this some weird sort of marketing technique where you quote high and charge low?
I wonder if others will do the same if I place an order with them?Still substantially higher than the NZ price, but a bit easier to live with.
Anyway, now I am completely confused.
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It turned out to need a new head, which made the fuse blow.
All fixed now.
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Thank you for the positive input 🙂
I hope that in sticking to traditional signwriting I am not restricting my customers too much..?
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Thanks for all your help.
The colour turned out to be Avery 900 Lilac.
Simon
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One way vision film works best when it is darker on the inside than on the outside.
It’s function is to confuse the vision, so your eyes see the surface but not the darkness behind.
It does not magically block the light from passing in one direction.
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No, but I will try find out.
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The most likely I have found is Avery 900 light purple…its hard to be sure using a photo. I will either have to pay a visit or send them a swatch.
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Are you self-employed?