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Wrapping primer for Unpainted Plastics?
I have a van to wrap, wrapping is not my main business but occasionally i get involved for existing clients or to help mates who are in the trade and need extra hands.
This particular job has unpainted plastic parts, our normal option would to remove and send off to be primed at a paint shop but its not feasible on this job.
I’ve seen the SOTT 9900-XPF primer film but its not listed on sign and digital website for the UK, only for Ireland and no one else seems to list it.
Can I use 3M Primer 94 to promote the vinyl to adhere to the plastic or is there another option??
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17 Replies
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3M 94 will help but dont guarantee it. :smiles:
Remember It only works with 3M vinyl. -
Every day is a school day, I didn’t realise that 3M primer only worked with 3M vinyl.
Thanks for that
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quote Simon Worrall:3M 94 will help but dont guarantee it. :smiles:
Remember It only works with 3M vinyl.Really? Argh I didn’t know that and am not using 3M vinyl.
Back to the drawing board….anyone know where to get the SOTT 9900XPF primer film in the UK?
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Sorry I should have restated that…it is actually an "Adhesive Promoter" – their words – designed to be used with 3m products.
That’s not to say it wont work with any of them.
It doesn’t work with Avery Supreme.
Simon -
First thing, I would never consider wrapping an unpainted, non- high gloss body part of any description.
I would never use a promoter for anything "Vehicle wrapping".
If a wrapping film requires a promoter to help keep its bond, then its not up to the job full stop.
If it is not up to the job, then you are inviting a fail. if It fails, the corner cutting customer will expect you to replace FOC.
at this point you are left to re-print, laminate and re-install. that is after you remove the failed film and spend god knows how long trying to get the promoter back off the bumper. Then what?
Because lets face it, you will be back to square one trying to work out how to do the bumper and make it stay put.Nobody is going to give you a warranty claim on this type of installation failing regardless to who and what you use.
The best thing you could hope for is a replacement of film used and that will have to be from your supplier (not the manufacturer) and thats only going to be out of their own courtesy if you are a good customer of theirs.I know this is not what you really wanted to hear, but i am just being honest and of course, its just my opinion / view.
If the SOTT film you spec is for low energy surfaces then it should hold on basic mouldings. But bumpers and wing mirrors etc. my view is same as above.
Plus I am not a big fan of the "so-called" New kid on the block, called SOTT. -
Avery now have their cast MPI 1106 with Apolar adhesive which is specifically designed for the plastic moulded bumpers etc.
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quote Gill Harrison:Avery now have their cast MPI 1106 with Apolar adhesive which is specifically designed for the plastic moulded bumpers etc.
What sort of warranty does Avery give on an "easy and clean" removal of this type of vinyl on plastic?
Are they classing it as a Commercial Vehicle Wrapping Cast film or is it more to just stick to plastic rather than wrapping into bumper recesses etc? -
I agree with Rob. Would not get involved in wrapping non painted bumpers. I have applied wrap vinyl to side mouldings but always tell the customer there is absolutely no warranty on it.
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Thanks for all you input.
With no way to source the SOTT primer film and no viable alternative I’d asked the designer to re-think his plans to allow the plastic panels to stay unwrapped/unpainted on this van 🙂
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I’m looking into Robs questions regarding the Avery and I’ve heard good things regarding the SOTT product but I’ve not tried it myself yet.
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Hi Simon
I posted a reply but It has been removed as I have broken the site rules twice.
Mod-edit
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Thanks David – I did open an account through the .ie website and yet when I log in i am directed to the .co.uk which doesn’t have the same stock.
I shall try calling them next week 🙂
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I need the same product for a vw caddy van we’re wrapping. 1st time doing a full colour change wrap. Have done loads of half wraps, roofs, mirrors etc so hoping this isn’t going to be a nightmare. Just a bit concerned about the bumpers.
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3M also has a primer vinyl wich can be wrapped onto non-painted plastic surfaces!
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Tried the primer material from Sott. Absolutely rubbish for caddy bumpers. There’s an orange peel effect on the surface which prevents it sticking properly. Super aggressive adhesive. Van back now for the 3rd time. Material lifting as it’s getting water under it. Definitely learnt the hard way on this one 🙁
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Believe S&D stopped selling it as it’s so bad
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Probably best if they stopped selling it. Take Rob and others advice, don’t touch unpainted bumpers – misery will follow 🙁
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