Phil Halling
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Hi Dave, it’s been a while since I was here also lol
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I know a company called media fleet wrapped a lot of these at one time, and the material was made specially for them can’t remember for sure but something is telling me Metamark or kpmf
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Very nice work, I like it a lot
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Slightly off your point but, I know from experience that Avery 900 series metallic silver definitely has some form of grain. When wrapping truck / trailer sides, you have to have all drops going in the same orientation off the roll or you will get a striped finish, and if you just get one the wrong way up it will leap out at you.
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Just a thought for you, if your doing fleet work ie a repetative number of vehicles all the same, it’s actually worth making 2 sides of your weed border to extend as far as the body panel lines / door handles , whatever as a reference point making the use use of a tape measure ALMOST unnecessary.
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It will also depend on whether you have to do the roof or not
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My thoughts go out to Johns family and friends, as many have said he was a true gentleman and I feel the world would be a much better place if there could be more like John.
From one biker to another L&R RIP John Childs -
Hi Owen, as I’ve said before I’ll happily pop in and give you some (sounds like much needed) advice if you want, I am in spain at the mo but I am back on monday – let me know.
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Hi Model racer. I live in Mickleton since moving from Moreton, but would be glad to pop in and chat over your queeries if you like.
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Take it from me, a lot have been done (especially the old livery) in Metamark and some in Avery
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Here you go
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Heres a brush job I did recently, not many of these about.
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Try this one, I havn’t used it but it looks pretty close.
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Hi mate,
Welcome to the boards, Ive just got back from a week up your way on holiday at solva. I shouldn’t think any signs you do will need a lot of uv protection as I spent most of the week looking for the sun ! -
If it’s to be a quality (and from what I’ve seen of your work it probably will be) job, I would recommend you use either Avery mpi 1005 or mpi 1900 with dol1030 laminate.
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Hi Rob,
We used a combination of avery mpi 2000 & avery mpi 1900 all liquid laminated for the outside and md5 on the inside. This actual promotion is going live for one week ! – 72 hrs isn’t too bad when there were 7 of us over 2 days.
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Hi Shane,
We fitted quite a lot on the inside as well, and the roof is fully wrapped so I think it took somewhere between 65 -72 hours to fit.
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Well I thought it would be topical !
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A chair Peter, a chair
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Typical saturday night then Peter ?
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"vehicle livery specialist" writes John…………..
When did that happen then mate ?
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Your fairly safe with that outline, when you take into account the variant taxi shapes which are commonly, TX1, TX2 (same as TX1 for our purposes), Metrocab and Fairway……..Wait until you get into bus outlines – now that is a nightmare minefield !
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Be careful on this one as O2 own the copyright on the particular bubbles they use, and can be quite pedantic about their use.
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Tried all of the above, and it was still a b1tch, got there in the end though.
Thanks all
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Here ya go
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Here You Go
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Welcome Nic, glad to meet another bus wrapper ! :welcome:
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Whats the next post? One bottle down ,two signs to go !
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Can you not raise to the challenge then Nic ?
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Hi
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Just remember folks, DRINK IS THE ENEMY!……. I intend to kill a few and when my ammo runs out out I’ll start taking prisoners ! (drink1)
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Wont be many trying that then Harry !
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What time Tuesday ?………..and does the effigy have to be work related, as the one one I had in mind is closely related to my children 🙄
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Hi john :wave:
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Could be an excuse for a party then – wine ..bonfire.. etc. :lol1:
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How’d ya know ?
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Go on Jill, have some wine – I’ve done some of my best painted jobs shall we say a little less than sober – relax a little and go for it ! :lol1:
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Would that be anything to do with farmers shooting sheep worriers ? 🙄
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Try Andy Malcolm (Derby) 07921 380282
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Hi Neil
Been put in any puddles lately you old rascal.
How are you anyway
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Say Hello to Lew from me, I havn’t seen him for about 3 years now.
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It’ll be getting to the Rudolph Hucker jokes soon at this rate
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Steve, with HINDsight you’ll probably think of another pun you could have used.
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Got me thinking now…………seems like yesterday……..remember it well……..last time your wallet saw daylight etc, …. is it your round or mine next time ?
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If it’s factory finish dibond then brake cleaner should do it – BUT USE SPARINGLY and carefully.
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No that was the strauss gig, your memory must be going :lol1:
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Peter, did you ever see Mozart live ?
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Tread carefully as you are about to step into a minefield. Not all "wrapping" vinyls live up to their claims, faults may not be immediately apparant and if you have done 10 or so before anything comes to light you may have an expensive rectification on your hands.
To start your wrapping career it is far better to build up experience with 1 offs rather than a fleet of 40, which has no doubt allowed the customer to screw your price right down. -
Can I come out of hiding yet ? :lol1:
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Only 25 in front of me, from your post I thought I’d be about 130th or so.
Oh and happy belated greetings :lol1:
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Would it be somewhere near your birthday then Brian? just wondering
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Rob.
SSDM supply quite a few of the graphics we fit as well, thats if they’ve got them in stock – dispatched them as promised or it’s friday afternoon.
Customer satisfaction doesn’t seem their strong point.Wardie,
Give my regards to David Tranter if you see him
Phil
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Just found in a manuscript on carving lettering :lol1:
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Try a company called Flex Europa, ask for James. I am sure they sell what your after.
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After all this debate what was the bloody prize and who won it?
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Grieves me to say it but I prefer Robs version 🙄
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www. or not, I still think it depends on what follows. I still read phill’s address as theright signs instead of the right signs, unless of course his name is Phill Theright.
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Hi Stephanie, welcome
Spent a couple of weeks with my brother in law on vancouver island, lovely part of the world.
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Still think it needs "www." in it, the "the" going straight into an R doesn’t look quite right somehow – adding the www. takes your eye away from it a bit.
Just my two bobs worth, overall a lot better :thumbup2:
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Prefer the bottom one, but as I was bored couldn’t resist having a go at one myself.
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That was spotted quick for you, basil
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It was all done using Avery MPI 1900 with a liquid laminate.
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Nevison casual, or very similar
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Saw this boat today in kidderminster and yes the faded section is printed on clear and should be laminated with a film laminate not liquid lam.
Phil
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Peter, a lot depends on your reasoning for laminating in the first place, if you are laminating to preserve the vibrance and quality of the print a liquid laminate does the job no problem, if however you are laminating to prevent stone chips on bonnets, abrasive brushes such as carwashes etc., then film laminate is your boy. It all depends on what your brief is as to life expectancy of the job. As a standard we use liquid, as we do on our own vehicles, which seems to last perfectly well, If you have a customer who is not prepared to lovingly look after the work of art you have created for him and thinks that cleaning his vehicle is best attempted by a yops lad with a scotchbrite and a can of T-cut the only way it can last is with a film laminate.
By the way I am in total agreement with regards to a lot of failiures being down to application technique, but I stand by what I say that there is no film on the market today that will wrap all vehicles successfully 100% of the time. -
Dont want to rock the boat but unlike Peter we actually recomend liquid laminate for most vehicle wraps, the exceptions being when the vehicle is regularly washed by automated brush equipment ie buses.
Logic tells me that when so many wraps fail, pulling out of recesses etc. it is a lot more likely that one "skin" of vinyl with what amounts to a varnish will stand a lot more chance of being stable than two layers of vinyl, both trying to pull back out. Incidently, we have never had a come back or complaint either on the quality or longevity of any wrap we have supplied with a liquid laminate.
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Excellent job Cheryl – well done again :lol1:
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hi ben, And welcome from just down the road at Evesham
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Welcome from me too, coming to your neck of the woods next week.
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Where do you get the odd 15p per banner from ?
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Hi It’s what we’d refer to as a "wallpaper" job. Nice work though.
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Peter it really is a viable option, we did the sums based on Avery printable curtain vinyl, and if you were to do a complete wallpaper job it works out more expensive than printing a complete new set of curtains.
Add to this the punter can put his original curtains back on at the time of resale, he will sell his vehicle quicker probably and get a bit more for it which in a way helps offset some of his initial expense having them done.
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jJust had a look at Wardies previous post and would disagree with pricing,
We have just supplied a pair of printed curtains roughly 8m x 2.5m, liquid laminated, (but no buckles straps etc. – usually about £300) for £720 and we make a profit on that
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Thanks for that Nick.
feel free to contact me via the contact buttons below.mod-edit
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Pete, believe me it took only seconds on the a14
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Hi Rob, the rip tiled it all down for us into 11 panels per side and yes it’s all liquid laminated.
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Hi Karl, it was all printed on our ejet 16 plus 3.2m full solvent printer
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Hi Shane, the trick is, with a new trailer – pick up the phone and speak directly to the manufacturer, find out the likelyhood of any problems and then base your call on their specialist advice.
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Hi Peter, Chris, yes we did the artwork in house and the locking bars were left in position on this trailer as it was about 4 years old. If it had been brand new we would have removed them.
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The theory behind these types of tools – 3M make one called an air release tool, is that with the best will in the world a scalpel or blade will make a slit rather than a hole. This tool makes a round hole, therefore the tension on the vinyl is equal all around, a slit makes an unequal tension situation – theoretically making it more likely that the vinyl will split open over a period of time.
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Cant remember the first one, but this was definately one of the first
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Hi Ash, from just down the road – in blistering sunny Evesham
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Flash reflection, John.
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Well done George thats as good a wrap as I’ve seen for some time :thumbup2:
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Happy Birthday Nik, hope you had a good one!
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Dont worry about it John, it’s the staff who haven’t turned in that are causing the holdups !
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Thank Christ for that, I’ve been sat here since 6am waiting to see if I was doing it right ! :lol1:
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I’ll get me coat :lol1:
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quote :Sod it. OK, but you’ll have to wait until the morning when I get onto my work computer though.
Should I weed this bit now, or wait til the morning then John ? :praise2:
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quote :I hope you understand what I mean, otherwise I am going to have to draw it!!quote :Oh go on then
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Impressive, what material?
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Would this be the advanced course, you know where you get a certificate and everything.
Seriously though, good idea for practising.
Phil
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You could try ADM services based in Derbyshire,
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Peter,
Does that mean you have to wear your pants over your trousers ?
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What inks are you using Kevin ?
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Peter,
We were given all of the images, then told to "look at our website" and do what you can to reflect that image. So in answer to your question yes and no.
Also we’ve wrapped or partially wrapped some 25 vehicles at the new place since Dec 6th , plus we,ve been doing internal alterations and not to mention christmas etc., WHEN IN GODS NAME DO YOU THINK WE’VE HAD TIME TO DO THE BLOODY DOOR ? ! -
It’s a full wrap up to the gutter line, the background- although you cant tell very well in the photos- is grey at the bottom, fading up to white.
Phil
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Hi Karl,
I think the major problem comes from the difference between fleet graphics and one off vehicles. Fleet specifiers are driven by budgets wheras the independent businessman knows what he can afford as a one off expenditure. Also the profitability is decided not only on what you charge for a job, but what you pay for materials – as we all know on here, what you see as the published price is more or less a starting point for pricing negotiations. We could print & laminate a wrap as described above for well under £500, but we use large volumes of material.
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You did very well to get that sort of price, ever tried selling snow to eskimos? Average price lwb sprinter, no roof, would be itro £2500 – 3000,
We just priced a 3/4 wrap – from the doors back, all across the back doors and back up to the front doors – 9 of them, we priced at roughly 1100 ea and were promptly undercut. Rule of thumb – get what you can for spinters because they are without doubt the van that will come back to bite you ( same goes for VW LT35’s, before somebody else points that out) -
Hi all,
We have 3000 sq ft in total, plus a mezzanine floor giving us a dedicated fitting area of just over 1000 sq ft, about 400 sq ft of office space, the rest being given over to production and stores. Unfortunatley Rob we are going to have to alter the doors, we need another 150 – 200mm to get a full height double decker in.