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Petrol Prices!
I don’t know if anyone else has actually noticed this… but went to fill up this morning and the diesel was 102.9p per ltr 😮 😮
When did that happen? Have I been in a time warp or something? Could of sworn the last fill up was ONLY 98p per ltr!
Really narked off at pump, good start to the morning! 👿 👿 👿
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got a fill yesterday and was back in my jeep when i noticed 109.9p per litre, 👿 👿
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I remember being narked when petrol went up to 34 pence per GALLON.
‘Twas ever thus. *rofl*
Cheapest I can remember is four shillings and eleven pence halfpenny per gallon for four star. About 1959 it was.
Now waiting for Normington to tell me that in his youth it was sixpence per can. 😀
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Adrian…..you didn’t get caught out by the new "super plus" (or something like that) diesel did you?….apparently 3 or 4 pence more than the normal one
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quote glenn:Adrian…..you didn’t get caught out by the new “super plus” (or something like that) diesel did you?….apparently 3 or 4 pence more than the normal oneWish I had, but no, twas the normal good ol regular diesel! That was from sainsbury as well.
A good site that peeps may be interested in is below
You have to register but put your postcode in and it gives you all the current prices over a set distance. Every penny counts!! 😀
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It’s just gone up to $3/gallon here…but I think that’s still cheap compared to your prices.
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quote Jillbeans:It’s just gone up to $3/gallon here…but I think that’s still cheap compared to your prices.
Yeah, that works out at about 31 pence per litre Jill, as opposed to the £1.00 odd we are paying.
Before you all salivate though, I would just point out that I reckon, with greedier cars, longer distances etc, the cost of driving in the US is on a par with what it is here.
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quote Jillbeans:It’s just gone up to $3/gallon here…but I think that’s still cheap compared to your prices.
Love…..Jill😮 😮
3.8952 ish ltrs per US gallon, at current exchange rate we pay $8.20 per us gallon!! 😮 😮
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quote Adrian Yeo:3.8952 ish ltrs per US gallon
Oh yeah, I forgot about the difference between US gallons and ours.
I was working on 4.54609 😳
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When Normington bought his first flaggon of petrol, he paid with 2 fur pelts and a bucket of salt. Because he is very old.
Anyway, you think that’s bad. This week I’ve had to get 2 cars serviced, MOTified and taxed, and I filled em both with petrol today. The next customer I get is really going to pay for that! 😉
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Uk wide pricing is barking mad. Filled up at the weekend in Porthmadoc North Wales at 93.9p and get back down to a densely populated area near Guildford and pay 99.9 on Monday, now 102.9 today!!!!
I did get caught short on the West coast of Scotland 6 weeks ago and paid 111.9, hate to think what thats up to now!!
Few years back when I was in Canada a price war broke out in Vancouver and drove the price down to almost 16p/litre…….. its now back up to almost 50p 🙁
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Dont talk stupid Gorman, when I was a lad, it was how many furlongs to the bale of hay…….. 😉
Peter
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quote Peter Normington:when I was a lad, it was how many furlongs to the bale of hay…….. 😉
Yes, we know, and your driving licence is written in Latin.
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I thought Peter started out in horse and buggy days.
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They have been chatting about this raise in the price of a barrel for the past couple of days…. and they mentioned diesel breaking the £ barrier for the first time
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We pay $1.36 per liter Our AUSSIE dollar is buying $0.92 US
Work that out, i think its bl00dy dearGraham
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quote graham stewart:We pay $1.36 per liter Our AUSSIE dollar is buying $0.92 US
Work that out, i think its bl00dy dearGraham
Dear! Cheap more like. $AU1 = £0.436
At current UK petrol price you are paying about £0.59 per litre – about HALF what we do!
It costs me £70-£75 ($160-$170) to fill up my car – and I’ll maybe get 400miles…
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quote graham stewart:We pay $1.36 per liter Our AUSSIE dollar is buying $0.92 US
Work that out, i think its bl00dy dearGraham
We just had a price hike here Graham, I was paying $1.14 p/l on monday morning, and by lunchtime it went to $1.26p/l. Our state government subsidizes our fuel by 8c p/l but we often pay the same as over the boarder. I’m paying $1.28 for diesel. I remember when diesel was always cheaper than petrol, but with the popularity of diesel cars, the price has matched it, and is never in a price war either
I may be wrong, but I work our fuel price out at over $6 per gallon.
Thing is, if my prices fluctuated by 10-15% on a whim, I’d be out of business in no time.
Another thing that annoys me is that the price of fuel goes up the day a ‘barrel’ prices rises, but if the barrel price drops, it takes weeks to filter through.
Rant over 👿
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quote Adrian Yeo:and the diesel was 102.9p per ltr 😮 😮That’s not bad Adrian, my local garage yesterday I noticed it was £105.9p.
I wondered when this would be bought up, this is having a serious effect on everyone that drives and a bigger effect running a business.
Iv’e been out and about all week in the van it’s costing me a fortune the price has to be passed onto the customer at the end of the day or your profits take a dip.
The £1.00 a litre was always coming but now it’s here it’s the norm and it’s slowly creeping up can’t see any end to it at the moment with barrel of oil spirraling surely it can’t reach £1.25 a ltr will be the next talk……watch this space. 😮
Shane your dead right on your last point, when the barrel price dips seems to take ages for fuel to follow same with interest rates over here, when the BOE puts em up your letter is in the post within a few days saying your mortgage is going up. Do it the other way round and it tkes an eternity to pass the saving on, if at all.
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Just found in a manuscript on carving lettering :lol1:
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quote David Rogers:quote graham stewart:We pay $1.36 per liter Our AUSSIE dollar is buying $0.92 US
Work that out, i think its bl00dy dearGraham
Dear! Cheap more like. $AU1 = £0.436
At current UK petrol price you are paying about £0.59 per litre – about HALF what we do!
It costs me £70-£75 ($160-$170) to fill up my car – and I’ll maybe get 400miles…
You’re right David. I often wonder how you guys afford the price of your fuel.
Only thing I think is different is that we travel such huge distances here to get anywhere. Not uncommon for me to travel 200klm during a day to do a couple of jobs.
I only have two petrol cars in my fleet now, my two main vehicles I’ve changed over for diesel ones.
My diesel VW Caddy tdi gets 900klm to a 65 litre tank, and my diesel Vito gets 850klm to a 70 litre tank.
My last Petrol van was costing me a fortune, 400klm to a tank, I was filling up every 3 days on average. The only guy making money out of my business was the service station. 🙄
It does impact though, I’m having to be more selective on where and when I do jobs now. I’ve given up just racing out to have a look at a job for quoting. Now I’ll give an estimate on the phone and confirm it when I get there, and I try to get the client to come to me with a vehicle, instead of me going to them like I’ve done in the past.
Its a real worry, considering when I bought this latest van 2 years ago, I was paying 75c a litre from memory, now I’m paying double that.
My own prices have not risen accordingly, and the competition is getting pretty fierce locally, that raising your prices will definitely lose business. Its a buyers market here at the moment.
Martin, home loan interest rates are another issue as you say.
One of our big banks here wants to raise the interest rates above the .25% that the reserve bank increased the other day. The CEO, a Scott, says that they are struggling to justify the cheap money. The next day they posted 3rd qtr profits of over $4 Billion.
The same with BP last week. They cry that they are making no money, yet posted a $6.3 Billion profit in their last qtr.
How do they sleep at night.
Mind you, its the greedy shareholders that are to blame in some respects.
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Hi All
Shane at least you get cheap days and dear days where we live there is no competition ,so its top price all the time.
The thing is that in ENGLAND i think your wagers are so much higher than AUSTRALIA, am i right?All the best
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quote graham stewart:Hi All
Shane at least you get cheap days and dear days where we live there is no competition ,so its top price all the time.
The thing is that in ENGLAND i think your wagers are so much higher than AUSTRALIA, am i right?All the best
Grahamnot sure about the wages, they maybe, but they’re nowhere close to matching the rise in the cost of living over the past 10-15 years, 10 years ago i earned relatively poor money, compared to mates in other trades, but i was comfortable, between me and my Mrs now, we earn much better money, but get nowhere!
taxes have come in left right and centre, mostly ones you don’t see, insurance tax, flight tax, testicle tax, breathing tax and so on, of course they don’t forget to keep upping the traditional taxes too,
They’re patting you on the back with one hand, saying "here you are, look what we’re doing for you" while twisting yer nuts with their other hand !
our average house price is around £200k now, the average wage around £45k, but… pick a 1000 people on any street and you can bet 999 of them won’t be earning that, the government like to make us all feel better by telling us we’re earning higher than ever before, but in reality, it’s those at the top who’re earning million pound salaries, with multi million £ bonuses, that bang the ‘average’ way up out of proportion, the true average wage, when you exclude the top earners, is probably nearer £20k a year.
a weekly shop is horrendous if you want any kind of quality to what you eat, utility bills have gone up by about 5 times, wages are nowhere near the true rate of inflation,. The only people who do well, are those who do nothing but shoot out kids as quick as possible and jump into a comfy paid for house, get tons in benefits (not that you’d believe it to hear them whinge) and generally cost those of us who are working our nuts off. i like to call them "the Jeremy kyle generation".
i’m happy to pay into a state welfare system, hell, i’ve needed it myself not too many years back, but it should be there to help and assist people into work or at least to be useful to society in general, but no, in the main it just supports a lifestyle of x boxes, PlayStation’s, designer clothes and wide screen plasma TV’s in there paid for, newly decorated house. get me into the home office and everyone on the dole for more the 6months will be crushing rocks with lump hammers to earn their money ! maybe then the duty on fuel need not be so high.
sorry, having a Phil moment there.
yes fuel is expensive !
and why is diesel, a crude lesser refined version of petrol, more expensive when it cost far less to produce ?
oh. silly me, it’s cos we’re all buying diesels now, and the oh so kind government want us with our pants round our ankles for another rogering while they rifle through our pockets.
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quote graham stewart:Hi All
…..The thing is that in ENGLAND i think your wagers are so much higher than AUSTRALIA, am i right?All the best
GrahamEngland maybe – but what about the rest of the UK? Hmmm! 😉
Found this link – http://www.britzinoz.com/info/wages.htm
and it confirms what I thought – basically the same Australia & UK in terms of (government lies / wage).
Obviously any major city will have higher wages…and higher HOUSING costs…but food & fuel are basically the same (+/- 10% say) the entire country over.
Take a small Scottish city such as em, Dundee, basic wages are for want of a better word..crap. At the lower end £13k for retail, £15k for office work, £17-20k for skilled manual £25k – £30k management / government office = average of £45k my ass!
How ‘we’ in the UK can afford to house, clothe & feed ourselves is often beyond me.
Like Hugh said – I personally know & am disgusted by several dole sponging families. They get NEW build homes, ALL of their bills paid barring food & electricity and have LCD TV’s, PC’s, car, holidays. (GRRRRRAAAAARRRRRRRRHGH!) Why, because mummy is fat, daddy is blind in one eye (I can’t work, I’m disabled..apparently you need two working eyes to sweep streets / work in an office, but can happily get several HNDs in a cozy university room) and the 30yr old niece that stays there is depressed & a social recluse…raking in 3x handouts, child benefit, disability allowance etc. etc. – they have more spare cash than me or my wife do…OK there won’t be one item of ‘Smart Price’ or ‘Value’ in our shopping trolley…but even so!
"When I were a young lad", (single parent me & sister), we JUST got by and no more & trips to charity stores were not unheard of! – now it’s an easier life (permanent paid holiday) to "sign on", and there is NO limit to the length of time you can claim benefits.
Basically I work my ass off for what? Job satisfaction, a warm home, good food, gas-guzzling car and a couple of weeks away from it all. :LOL:
Dave
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Dave and Hugh, you’ve basically described Australia really.. or any other developed country for that matter.
To get anywhere you need a good tax accountant.
The other ‘problem’ we have here is that its not a level playing field if you’re not aboriginal.My kids for instance get no assistance in schooling, but if you’re 100%, 50%, 25%, 10% or 1% aboriginal heritage, you qualify to get free books, money for school lunches, tax breaks, the list goes on. Even a government job priority if you apply for a job against a ‘white’ person, and the departments white/black mix is wrong. Does not matter if the white guy is better qualified. Adults qualify for very cheap government housing.
I’m not racist, far from it, but I don’t think anyone should get a totally free ride at the expense of others. On the other hand I know of a couple of Aborigines that have refused the handouts and done the hard yards like everyone else. They are very highly respected by their peers at work, and have a very good self esteem.
Given that small businesses are the largest employer on Australia, I’m more than a little annoyed that we also get shafted with the more insidious taxes. Once again, a good tax accountant is a good investment.
We are up for a federal election in a few weeks, not sure who’ll win, but I’m amazed how all the political parties are appealing to the greed of the constituents.
Basically it comes down to keeping the staus quo, or voting in a different government who want to take us back to union domination in the work force. Watch job stability disappear then….
Investors are also the largest supplier of rental housing in Australia. I’m a Landlord with two investment houses, and on paper, I’m doing well, but in truth I’m probably worse off in so many ways. The laws here favour the tenants, and the legal tightrope I walk is horrendous. Landlord insurance (read:tax) is compulsory for a start.
To get any tax breaks at all, I’ve got to spend money I don’t have, on things I can’t afford, and then wait upto 12 months to get a % of my money back.
The really stupid thing is that to make the tax breaks work best, I have had to form a family trust, but the downside is if the trust operates as it should, that is, I make no profit but spend it on my investments so my tenants have a better life, or I subsidise their rent ie negative gear my investments, to save me the most amount of tax, my parents, who are also in the trust, lose their pension because although the tax departments rewards me for investing, the pension people see it that if I’ve got the money to spend on investments, the trust members must be making a fortune, so my parents don’t warrant a pension.
Once again, my tax accountant has to prove otherwise, which he does every year.
Just madness….
Rant over 🙄
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all im saying is….its too bloody expensive 😮
nik
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I’m a car nut – but even I have to admit there are too many cars on the roads in Britain.
Our "Clever" politicians have recognised this for some time and have attempted to reduce the amount of traffic by the introduction of sky high fuel taxes and more recently congestion charges in our cities.
One thing is obvious – this policy has failed – the roads are busier than ever, the general public just pay up regardless and refuse to give up the liberty of owning and driving their own vehicles.
On holiday in Spain this year I realised that it was virtually impossible to park anywhere where there were shops and restaurants, so the problem is not unique to Britain but occurs throughout the civilised world.
The problem is how do we reduce the number of vehicles on our roads?
I don’t know the answer, but taxation isn’t working – so maybe the answer is to build more roads 😕
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Yay. I ‘love expensive diesel 🙁
It’s not unusual for me to use a full tank for one job (If I have to go to Harrogate or Manchester), and it’s half a tank for the NEC or London exhibition halls.
Plus, it’s always once for the build and again for the pull out.
So, a job up north can cost £150 in diesel before we even start!
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quote Phill:I’m a car nut – but even I have to admit there are too many cars on the roads in Britain.
Our “Clever” politicians have recognised this for some time and have attempted to reduce the amount of traffic by the introduction of sky high fuel taxes and more recently congestion charges in our cities.
One thing is obvious – this policy has failed – the roads are busier than ever, the general public just pay up regardless and refuse to give up the liberty of owning and driving their own vehicles.
On holiday in Spain this year I realised that it was virtually impossible to park anywhere where there were shops and restaurants, so the problem is not unique to Britain but occurs throughout the civilised world.
The problem is how do we reduce the number of vehicles on our roads?
I don’t know the answer, but taxation isn’t working – so maybe the answer is to build more roads 😕
the answer Phil is simply this,
1/ employers should be taxed for people that they employ from outside a ten mile radius, no matter how they travel to work,
2/ ALL children should walk to school by law,Job sorted
Peter
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quote Mike Robson:Yay. I ‘love expensive diesel 🙁
It’s not unusual for me to use a full tank for one job (If I have to go to Harrogate or Manchester), and it’s half a tank for the NEC or London exhibition halls.
Plus, it’s always once for the build and again for the pull out.
So, a job up north can cost £150 in diesel before we even start!
Wouldn’t mind so much if they invested some of that cash in the infrastructure, but that’s another rant 👿Surely you pass this cost onto the client? so why complain about the cost of fuel? its what I would call a constant, we all have to pay it, so I refer to my post above.
Peter
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I paid £1.06.9 tonight at Texaco, I told them I had just been robbed at the pump, so next time I come in I’m stealing something.
The guy agreed with me and told me I should LOL :lol1:I also found out I can run my van (unmodified) on 30% vegetable oil so I might go down that road till the prices are a bit more stable.
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The price for regular unleaded at our Texaco is up to $3.19/gallon after only a few days!
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$3.19 a GALLON!!
Oh how I wish it was that cheap even 10 years ago here.
Thats 40p a litre roughly isn’t it?
at over $2 to the £
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quote Steve Underhill:I paid £1.06.9 tonight at Texaco, I told them I had just been robbed at the pump, so next time I come in I’m stealing something.
The guy agreed with me and told me I should LOL :lol1:I also found out I can run my van (unmodified) on 30% vegetable oil so I might go down that road till the prices are a bit more stable.
Steve, you can run your van on any suitable fuel, but you still have to pay the relevant tax and vat….
vat is reclaimable(bis use) duty isnt, unless its a bus….
Peter
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quote Mike Robson:Yay. I ‘love expensive diesel 🙁
It’s not unusual for me to use a full tank for one job (If I have to go to Harrogate or Manchester), and it’s half a tank for the NEC or London exhibition halls.
Plus, it’s always once for the build and again for the pull out.
So, a job up north can cost £150 in diesel before we even start!
Wouldn’t mind so much if they invested some of that cash in the infrastructure, but that’s another rant 👿MUST agree with Peter’s reply to this***…YOU shouldn’t be paying for fuel from YOUR profits…that’s part of the job cost – as much as vinyl or wages.
No point in a job with £200 profit if you blow £199 on fuel…If the customer won’t pay for you to travel (whether you charge separately or in with the job) then the job is a non-starter, it’s a ‘material’ cost.Business fuel costs, even with a sizable hike are no worse than your materials going up by £20 – works out to £10p increase on 200 litres (1000 miles). If that can’t be covered…something’s amiss.
I had an enquiry, actually a definite job in Fraserburgh if I wanted it. Customer none too happy that her £200 / £250 job was costing more than that for fuel & travel expenses of two guys ALL day & £80 of diesel. Needless to say we’re not doing it. (250miles / 6 hours)
Where I ‘lose’ money is the rare occasion when regular customers needing something dropped off (as they normally collect) quite easy to ‘lose’ money out of a job doing a drop off by the time you account for fuel, wages & lost productivity. Make it back up again on the next job…
*** unless it’s a comment about the lack of re-investment by the gov. from your £150! Then yes, would be nice to have better roads.
Dave
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At the minute I’m not VAT registered, so cant claim anything back.
Ill just stick some vegetable oil in and drive onwards.
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quote Steve Underhill:At the minute I’m not VAT registered, so cant claim anything back.
Ill just stick some vegetable oil in and drive onwards.
duty is paid as far as Im concerned, I paid it at the supermarket.Steve, just be careful, the excise people (vatman) can and does stop vehicles to check out that the duty has been paid on fuel.
They take a sample from your tank and if it does not meet the same specs as duty paid, fuel. large fines and or vehicle confiscation are the penalties.fuel costs are actually quite low, its the duty (tax) that makes it expensive, and the government aren’t going to let you get away with putting flora in your tank…(which is more expensive than diesel or petro, if you knock off the duty…l
Peter
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To be perfectly honest I think its disgusting.
I work for my money, I pay income tax on it, I buy the fuel, I get taxed on that, I try a cheaper option as my van is capable of it, they want me to pay duty on that too even though If I don’t put it in a fuel tank but a frying pan I don’t have to…My opinion, Balls to the lot of em. 👿
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I remember once hearing that there were not many definites in life but one of them was that you WILL pay tax.
I didn’t realise that it would come to mean that you will pay almost nothing else but tax.
Does anybody have any idea how or where the uk gov. would raise the equivalent amount of tax if it was dropped from fuel?
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I dont like paying tax any more than the next man, but what I do have an issue with, is people not paying it, and then bragging that they dont,
we as a society are all in the same boat, the ones that dont pay are just Leaching of the ones that do, and putting up the taxes for the rest of us.so Steve, by saying balls to the lot of them, you are saying balls, to not just the government, but to all the honest people, that, like you work for what they have
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I don’t know if it is done nationwide – but here in Scotland there are regular VAT inspections of vehicles to check that agricultural diesel (red fuel) is not being used. They set up roadblocks and randomly choose which vehicles should be pulled over to have samples taken from their fuel tanks. And they say this is a free country 🙄
And to think only yesterday we celebrated Armistice day – where our elders fought to preserve our freedom.
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That’s a pretty twisted view on it.
I already paid for the oil if I put it in my tank or put it in a frying pan.
Im not saying balls to anyone but the government.
Im fed up of paying through the nose for everything in this country and if i choose to put some vegetable oil in my van that I have already paid for then that’s my choice.
Im not ripping anyone off not even the government. I bought it!!!
Not like Its red diesel is it.
And the main point is the fact i haven’t ever used it yet anyway, let alone brag about it.
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Steve lets leave it there,
It is exactly like red diesel, as there is no duty on it, so the penalties are the same, you may as well use red diesel, its cheaper than cooking oil, and will do your engine slightly less harm.Peter
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rightly ho then. 😕
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Don’t wish to sound like a killjoy here but yes i agree taxes are over the top in the UK. But try and look at it another way. We are the only country to have a National health service. Our Dylans ops would have cost £30’000 upwards. To me if it keeps my lad alive it’s worth every d*mn penny.
Those who don’t pay may have a different opinion if they needed to use the NHS and were told to sod off cos they aint paid!Karl.
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How’s Dylan doing Karl.
Hope all is going well for him
Peter
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re veg oil, this has cropped up on a number of forums i use,
some run on 80% most of the time, some even fill it up with oil, then top it with diesel,
it is not illegal if you keep receipts for how much you use, you can, i believe, use up to either £2500 or 2500ltrs tax free, the law changed in the summer, if you google it you’ll find tons of info on it,
the only no no…. do not mix it with any kind of alchohol or spirit as a thinner, that is classed the same as a fuel and wil land you in as much trouble as red diesel, just dilute with regular diesel,
a pal of mine looked into making his own refinery for used oil, but after all the hassle it would involve to do properly, he reckoned it was cheaper to buy corn oil at 40p/ltr from lidl and use that, his patrol has run on it for two years now, when he needs to fill up, he pops in £15 of diesel and fills the rest with oil, i think he manages to get it bulk from a cash n carry now ! the amount he uses would probably be taxable, but only over the 2500 £ or ltr limit though, he even carries a 25ltr tub in the back of the car ! he reckons it’s safer than a can of fuel in the car, the worst that will happen in an accident is you’ll be too slippery for the ambulance men to pick you up !!
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Income tax and national insurance, I pay it all.
I was talking about maybe a few litres of cooking oil every other week if fuel prices continue to rise.
If and when I do use any my conscience will be completely clear to be honest.
I pay more tax and Ni than most employed people as I have 2 businesses to run.
I think its all a bit wrong comparing that to someone who does cash jobs and puts it all in his back pocket or signs on and works, THAT is who is ripping honest people off like me, maybe if they weren’t I wouldn’t fancy using bio diesel.
You also get the option to pay the duty on it at 28 pence a litre, I have been looking into it so I’m getting told off like a naughty schoolkid here on something that’s not even occurred yet, and may well not do. -
Doing well at the moment thanks Peter. He’s just turned 4!
The consultant sent us a letter a few days ago regarding a problem with a leaking valve. They will have to operate soon on the aorta valve to try to stop the leak. Docs told us straight. He may not see no. 5.Karl.
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Oh how glad am I you just posted that Hugh… :lol1:
now I’m not ripping off taxpayers including myself.Thats sad Karl.
I feel for you I really do.
My little girl had to have an operation at 3 months it wasnt as serious as your problem but traumatic nonetheless, hope things work out, -
I was recently pondering on the reason why Britain is such a rich country.
We have hardly and industry left – so how come we are so prosperous?The general consensus seems to be because of our financial institutions, banks, building society’s, Investments and insurances – but none of these institutions actually make anything – they just ride on the backs of others.
Then it occurred to me – In the 1970’s we as a nation were broke. But around about then North sea Oil was discovered and came into it’s own. Since then we have prospered (because of oil) but our traditional industries have disappeared.
Now that North sea oil is beginning to run out – are the good days over?
Our financial institutions can be easily replicated by other countries, but with a lack of natural resources (steel, oil, coal) and no industry (Japan has no natural resources but a thriving industry – cars, electronics) I fear we are a country that will have no wealth of our own. Perhaps this explains why our politicians are so keen on the EU. They recognise the future for Britain is bleak and we need the European Community to bale us out 😕
In a few years time, all Russia will need to do is switch off the gas supply to western Europe and we will have no choice but to surrender 😮
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I live in Cornwall.
Theres loads of tin here yet they dont mine it any more.
Its apparently worth a fortune by the ton.
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Steve, not telling you off, why would I?
just passing on info that may be of use, like using non duty paid fuel, may be more of a problem than its worth.
If you and Hugh can satisfy the excise people its legal, then no problem. tax avoidance is fine, tax evasion is where AL Capone went wrong 😉its strange though, that people like Eddie Stobart don’t take advantage of using cooking oil for running there fleets…
Peter
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quote Steve Underhill:I live in Cornwall.
Theres loads of tin here yet they dont mine it any more.
Its apparently worth a fortune by the ton.
I might have to get digging and start a new national export.Thats why the people of Alberta in Canada are getting annual Tax payouts from the government…….there is too much money in the province generated from oil. For decades they had vast quantities of oil sands that were too expensive to extract. Few years back it became viable and they are raking the cash in now………..Get your dibs on those old tin mines…………..
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quote Steve Underhill:I live in Cornwall.
Theres loads of tin here yet they dont mine it any more.
Its apparently worth a fortune by the ton.
I might have to get digging and start a new national export.We also got millions of tons of coal, its still there, when the oil runs out, and all the other countries have sold all there coal, we may be able to mine it efficiently….
Phill Japan has large natural resourses, it just finds it cheaper to buy in…
Peter
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What about Welsh gold?
apparently there are quite a few gold mines in Wales..
Peter
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quote Peter Normington:We also got millions of tons of coal, its still there, when the oil runs out, and all the other countries have sold all there coal, we may be able to mine it efficiently….
Yup – I reckon the government are just waiting for Arthur Scargill to kick the bucket before they resurrect the industry :lol1:
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How do you know Eddie Stobart doesn’t? 😉
I just felt like I was getting chastised a little Peter that’s all, especially as I haven’t used any yet, it was just an idea.
Id rather not to be honest but if I can save a tenner a week and £520 a year that’s a lot of sign vinyl or T shirt flex.
I’m far from dishonest, I would hate to have hassle with a taxman, but nobody can expect me to believe every single penny earned makes it into the national treasury, so everyone is guilty to some extent.
At least the topic seems a bit more light hearted now I’m a tin miner instead of a fugitive. -
On a lighter note still,
Do people who believe in the bible a little too literally, refuse to put fossil fuels in their tanks as they know it cant exist, as the earth according to them is 6 to 8000 years old?It was a question raised on a website earlier.
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quote Steve Underhill:On a lighter note still,
Do people who believe in the bible a little too literally, refuse to put fossil fuels in their tanks as they know it cant exist, as the earth according to them is 6 to 8000 years old?It was a question raised on a website earlier.
Never heard that before…. are they quakers?
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Steve,
sorry, I don’t do chastising, least of all to a bloke that may well give me a punch on the nose next time he sees me, 😉I didnt direct my comments to you in particular, they were general comments, my own views, and opinions,
If you took anything personal, my apologies.it wasn’t meant like that.
Peter
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I think you’ll find the answer to that question Steve is that when god created the Earth he also created the Fossil fuels (and Dinosaur bones/fossils).
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According to christian doctrine the earth is about that age.
I read up on it a while back when I was defending my scientific point of view.Lets look at something i plucked form some lunatics post on the site
quote :I am Christian, so therefore, I don’t believe in Evolution. I think man and Dinosaur did coexist.
It says in the Bible that God created the Heaven’s and the Earth, He created Mankind, He created the animals of this Earth (God even gave Adam the right to NAME ALL THE ANIMALS IN THIS WORLD.) God made all of nature as well. I believe the Earth has been around for 6 to 8,000 years. Just because it has been 2000 years since Jesus Christ died. I think Dragons, Dinosaurs, and every other living creature co-existed with all the animals ever madeQuite possibly mental, or even psychotic Im not sure.
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quote Phill:I think you’ll find the answer to that question Steve is that when god created the Earth he also created the Fossil fuels (and Dinosaur bones/fossils).😮
but he didnt create Murphy’s barn!
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quote Peter Normington:Steve,
sorry, I don’t do chastising, least of all to a bloke that may well give me a punch on the nose next time he sees me, 😉You coward Peter 😕
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quote Phill:quote Peter Normington:Steve,
sorry, I don’t do chastising, least of all to a bloke that may well give me a punch on the nose next time he sees me, 😉You coward Peter 😕
Nah just getting old Phil,
never been afraid of a bloody nose, just takes longer to heal nowadaysPeter
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I would never punch Peter on the nose.
Possibly his eye though, right or left?
Only Joking.
Im now going to drink all this vegetable oil and get my van converted to run on liquidised baby seals, Ivory and siberian tiger fur.
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That’s given me a great idea Steve. I’m gonna set up a company that gains government grants for converting vehicles to run on environmentally friendly fuels such as "Bird Flu" and the "Millenium Bug"
Our dumb politicians have been "suckered" in the past into beleiving such nonsense as Millennium bugs and Bird Flu – the current hot topic is of course CO2 emissions.
I honestly believe we’ll look back in ten years time at the great folly of the CO2 emissions issue of today.
Co2 isn’t the problem – Natural cycles of global warming (which releases CO2 from the oceans) is the real issue 🙄
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quote Steve Underhill:According to christian doctrine the earth is about that age.
I read up on it a while back when I was defending my scientific point of view.Lets look at something i plucked form some lunatics post on the site
Whose doctrine? ‘FundaMENTALists.
According to the Genesis account,"Earth was created in 6 days"…or 6 creative periods. Neither specified as 6000 thousand years nor 6 literal days. The order in Genesis IS in harmony with the fossil & geological record. Some still do cling to the notion that it was 6×1000 year periods though despite NO biblical evidence to support that particular figure.
quote :I am Christian, so therefore, I don’t believe in Evolution. I think man and Dinosaur did coexist.
It says in the Bible that God created the Heaven’s and the Earth, He created Mankind, He created the animals of this Earth (God even gave Adam the right to NAME ALL THE ANIMALS IN THIS WORLD.) God made all of nature as well. I believe the Earth has been around for 6 to 8,000 years. Just because it has been 2000 years since Jesus Christ died. I think Dragons, Dinosaurs, and every other living creature co-existed with all the animals ever madeAnd unicorns presumably…
The fossil record speaks for itself – humans and prehistoric dinosaurs never co-habited. There are NO ‘modern’ animal ‘bones’ in with dinosaur fossils – well, with very few exceptions in the reptilian & fish families. Why dinosaurs and other prehistoric beasts ‘had their day’ before mankind’s arrival is not something covered in biblical texts…it’s not important to the message / lessons contained. After all, it’s not a scientific or history book.Me? Christian? Yes, but I prefer to affirm my beliefs on ‘faith AND fact’ and have a strong scientific grounding based on current knowledge.
That said – anybody who has a belief in creation has to concede that it COULD be just a couple of thousand years old, MADE to be a bit ‘antique’ with a load of fossils thrown in for a laugh…but why, if you have eternity to perfect something would you rush it? Plant a bunch of trees – give them a while…coal reserves. Few Milena of sea critters…chalk cliffs & oil reserves.
Anyway – back to the fuel debate!! if MAKING your own bio-diesel…
quote :It is a fact that a very high proportion of the cost of road fuels in the UK is tax. Effective duty rate per litre (£) from 1 October 2007 is set to be 50.35pence per litre. Bio-Fuels will enjoy a reduced rate of 30.35 pence per litre. In rough terms, that’s 50% tax. THEN there is V.A.T. on fuels, so the 50.35 pence per litre for dino-diesel comes up to 59.16 pence per litre for dino-ULSD or 35.83 pence per litre for bio-Diesel. With dino-Diesel costing over £1 a litre (just tax and tax on tax, without tax on the actual cost of the fuel), that’s about 67% tax on your fuel. But hold up! According to new Government regulations, we are all now allowed to make up to 2500 litres of fuel per year for our own, personal use. The potential saving, in tax alone, is, therefore £1479.00. Did you get that? – Make it ourselves for our own personal use. If, however, we employ someone else to make our bio-diesel for us, then we still pay £758.75 in tax.Under the latest Government directive (Follow up to Revenue & Customs Brief 37/07 on Biofuels Simplification Revenue & Customs Brief 37/07 issued on 19 April 2007 confirmed that the following changes applying to biofuel producers were to be introduced:
A production threshold of 2,500 litres per annum below which producers will not need to enter premises, submit returns or pay duty,
and A reduction in the frequency of returns for all but the largest producers (defined as those producing over 450,000 litres per annum) from monthly to quarterly. We can now confirm that these measures will be introduced on 30 June 2007.))
we are now allowed to make up to 2500 litre for our own use, tax free.Dave
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Well I am an atheist.
But to that last Post I will say
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Steve, before you dash down to tescos to buy 2500 litres of oil, Bio diesel has to meet certain standards and the law says MANUFACTURED ei, produced from the raw material, like rape or sunflower seeds, not just any old oil poured into the tank.
I Wonder how much the actual cost would be to produce 2500l a year, probably much more that buying diesel at the pumps, otherwise by now we would all be doing it. anybody got a clue?
😀Peter
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Ill see how much of a grey area it is and also if you can, rather than have to produce or recycle anything
In fact just put it directly into your tank, I cant see why you wouldn’t be able to if the vehicle can take it like that.
I might just stop driving it and walk to school, then work.
I don’t need the van much over the winter anyway.
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Production involves RECYCLING used cooking or at a stretch, processing raw, unrefined oil.
The use of ‘off the shelf’ oil straight into the tank is not classed as self manufacture (ie. somebody else MADE it for you into a usable form) and carries full duty….dump it into your personal refinery though and make bio-diesel and apparently that’s OK. (Required processing.)
Not sure how much a bio-diesel plant / digester costs but probably £1.5k outlay for a small kit…nothing if you improvise!
Dave
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Like pour it in another bottle and then back?
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quote Steve Underhill:Like pour it in another bottle and then back?
Thatll do for me
Thats refined enough.there’s some info here, haven’t been rght through the thread though
http://www.estimaownersclub.com/communi … ic=13886.0
there are plenty of dedicated bio diesel type websites. i think the added pressure can be a pain to your fuel pump seals if they’re old, but they’re easily replaced!
you can do as little (pour it right in from a bottle) or as much (refinery) as you please, my pal with the patrol salvaged most of the parts to make a dual fuel system, it involved all sorts of pumps, filters, heaters etc, but looked feasable, it just worked out cheaper to pour in shop bought stuff.
i think the biggest hurdle was a vacuum extractor to remove water from waste oil, though he’d even sussed how to do that with some help frmo a website!
it’s all out there if you look for it, everytime i’ve considered doing it, and popped into lidls, it must’ve been giro daay as the plac was cleaned out and a distinct smell of chips was in the air!
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Anyone want to buy a donkey? (one careful owner, 2 miles to a carrot) 😀 😀
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You can just run up to a 30% mix, rapeseed oil is best, the problem is that the oil is thicker than diesel so the pump, filter, injectors struggle more, you can just run on pure oil but you need a duel system and it heats the oil first.
you do have to pay duty on it, if found to be running it you can get a fine and have your car/van impounded.
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I think it sounds more of a swede ache than its worth.
Think I will just walk to work and walk back home if I need the van.But I think the Governments time would be far better spent cleaning up our drugs and drink problems, Illegal immigrants, people who don’t even tax or insure their cars, drug dealers, people who work and sign on, and the rest of the scum before they start to persecute motorists trying to escape their ridiculous stranglehold on the fuel duty. 👿
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quote Harry Cleary:Anyone want to buy a donkey? (one careful owner, 2 miles to a carrot) 😀 😀
me!!!!! id rather take it over to my mums in spain….it would be made very welcome over there :lol1: :lol1: and the council tax is only £6 a month….no car tax and bloody cheap vino what more could you ask for 😉
nik
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I’m reading this with great interest… we are told that Australia is one of the most taxed nations in the world, but we haven’t got anywhere near the drama on fuels etc like you seem to have.
I might not complain as much now … well …. perhaps not as often…. 😉
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quote Harry Cleary:Anyone want to buy a donkey? (one careful owner, 2 miles to a carrot) 😀 😀
Could always try a rig and a couple of malamutes 😀 Mind you, probably works out dearer than running a 6 ltr V12!!! 😮 😮
On the topic of fuel checks, my day job is in an aerospace surface engineering factory. I run a van, but not for business, just for running the woof and his gear about in. Had a man from customs and excise come into the factory last week who asked me to step outside so they could check the fuel in the tank! |Wasn’t even being driven at the time, just parked in the company car park!! 😮
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