Sean.Cully
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Hi Pane
I have PM’d you regarding the issues you are having with your machine.
Please contact me.
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Basically the head has blown.
Our 1604 did exactly what yours is doing.
Replaced head and away you go.SC
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When I had initially checked these cutters out it was nearly half the price of the keencut.
I just got the quote back inclusive of the larger cutting area (cuts to 2500mm) and aluminium composite attachment it worked out nearly £100 more than the similairy speced keencut!
It’s a bit pointless making something similair and pricing it higher than the original!SC
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I don’t think it is liquid laminated but I could be wrong and if it is it is very very thin!
It is so thin and shatters so easily and obviously if it is covered in application tape it does not flex over curves.SC
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Simon
I’ve been in this business way to long to realise I am and you are not a finance company, bank or charity.
I give you an invoice and I have to be paid there and then. No 30 days and no excuses.
My customers who now get credit know that 30 days is my absolute maximum.
Invoices are issued as the job comes through the door. I have had companies complain that I can’t do this but I have noticed they have adopted similar policies.Slow payers are potential back stabbers due to how you get your money back.
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My issue is that I can spend a lot of time trying to sell a customer a wrap and the big issue is they cannot afford it in one complete outlay.
This is due not to being not able to price these jobs, or effectively sell them but based on the initial outlay.
And when all is said and done most of the customers truly do not realise the time in design, time involved fitting and cost of materials that go into this sort of thing.
I must quote 3-4 wrap jobs a week that the customer expects to only cost a couple of hundred quid at most !!!!
How can we sell anything when the materials alone cost that even before the printing and application time can be brought into it!!!?For example we have a car sales lot next to us and they do pretty well selling vehicles on finance but very very few are bought outright unless the vehicles is particularly cheap. This is the case for some sort of finance for these type of wraps and advertising.
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If it was only that easy….LOL
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Yes a Consumer Credit Licence costs only £260.
But I am only interested in trying to find an easier way for customers to pay rather than a lump sum thus making it look more appealing and generating more business.
The average customer only wants to know how cheap, and if you can break it up into more manageable pieces it becomes more likely to make a sale.
I personally do not want to offer finance, as in this day and age everyone and the next guy wants something for nothing.
If you offered 3 monthly payments you would only ever see the first month, followed by a lifetime of this customer bad mouthing to everyone about how you hassled him for money!!!
I have talked to a guy who deals with credit and finance and he is thinking something like a personal loan but this would have to be guaranteed against something.SC
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I feel sorry for the customer and I want to do something to try and at least compromise with the local council.
Many years ago I dealt with the planning for a sign in Carlisle (this is one of the main reasons I no longer deal with planning) for a fast food takeaway and the planning department were being complete unobliging.
They stated No Neon, No Illumination, No Aluminium, No Acrylic in fact all they wanted was wooden painted fascias with real signwritten graphics!
Luckily for me and the customer Carlisle City Council published a glossy 8 page guide on the specification and what the signs round the area should look like and how they should be constructed.
I did say luckily didn’t I?
Out of the maybe 20 signs in the leaflet 8 of them I had either made or serviced in the past. And all of them either had neon, illumination, aluminium or acrylic in their construction! Which completely went agains the guidlines they had drawn out.
Needless to say we came to a compromise with the planners as they were did not have a leg to stand on.SC
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That would be great Stafford.
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Is the print test OK and all nozzles firing?
Printed 15 metres of banner this morning and about 10 metres of vinyl.
Our 5 year old 1604 is a brick and with the new head is like new again.
You will not see banding as much on banner material as the weave in the material helps.You can also do a PF adjustment that adjusts the gap between passes.
But check that all nozzles are firing first.SC
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Little advice on the Mutoh VJ (I run a 1604)
Keep the wiper clean and the caping station clean so the head seals properly daily.
Also I would put a splash of cleaning fluid in the capping station weekly this keeps the pump and lines clear.
Also remove the cover that hides the pump and pipe work and leave of permanantley and jam the microswitch.
This allows you to see the ink being pulled through.I also would check that the lines from the pump are clear and the pump is pulling through if this isn’t kept free flowing the ink can block them and it can take a while to clear.
If I had done all this when first purchased it wouldn’t have needed a new head in last month!
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David
The very last thing I would use is an apprentice!
Patience and time is all you need for a good vinyl removal.
Their is no secret machine or chemical you can use.SC
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quote Brian Little:quote Ewan Chrystal:quote :“made for full wraps only” sean …hmm i dont think ford or any other company think of the signwriter /maker ever were way down on the list
Are you sure?
http://www.ford.co.uk/Commercialvehicle … itersguidehmmm Ewan i very much stand corrected ..sorry 😀
My Customer decided he wanted magnetic panels for the sides and rear!!!
To be honest it looks pathetic.
The only good thing is it is up to him to decide what makes them look straight.
Absolute useless for vinyl graphics.
The Ford signwriters guide is basically a vehicle outline and only helps to make you realise how bad they will be to letter.SC
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LOL Scammel Crusader, now their is a proper machine.
I don’t think the Scammel would be to bad comparing to the Ford Transit.
At least it was (I was going to say designed) drawn up by a guy who only had two angles, 0 and 90 degrees.On the Transit what looks like a level line isn’t.
I used to think Vauxhalls Astravan was bad, but I could forgive that as it was originally a car design.SC
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It looks like it is a bit short on the door shut too…LOL!
Also looks like standard flimsy polyester chrome and it doesn’t show any flexing into compound curves so that is what I guess it is.
It looks like a vinyl monkey doing this!SC
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I have tried various suppliers for the spit pad felts and I never get a reply.
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To be honest I do not have any time to start fabricating benches.
I learned a long time ago to stick to what I do and that’s sign making not steel fabrication.
Also I am now signed and payed up to so many sites I am not spending no more money this year.Just want to know where I could buy a couple of benches!!
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Karl
I cannot access that!!!!
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I can’t believe these are so difficult to find but they are.
They are just a piece of very rigid foam but do not have any alloy gauze on them.SC
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Ours is over 3 years old.
I have a copy of the service manual and so far that has kept me going.
I was told that for the yearly price of a service contract you could probably replace all the main parts of the printer including the print head twice over!!!
All service contracts in the UK will not cover the most important/expensive part:- The printhead.
Over the years when ever we had a technician in repairing any of my machines I reckon I had more knowledge than them.
As for renting a machine to someone I would be charging them a fortune!SC
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If I told B&P once I told them a dozen times if it wasn’t Lyson I didn’t want it.
But they assured me it was Lyson.
B&P Graphics are walking a very thin line.
Only God knows who orders of them anymore!!!
They couldn’t organise i drinking competition in an establishment selling beer!
This is the last time I will ever use them.SC
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I was ent some Ultra Extreme or something like that!!!!
Ive packaged them back up!!!!SC
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What has annoyed me is that I told B&P Graphics I would only use them if their inks were Lyson.
I explained to them loads of time when ordering that if it wasn’t Lyson and wasn’t packaged as Lyson I didn’t want it for any price!
We have run ins with B&P Graphics before with similair issues.
It is about time B&P Graphics went bust again and didn’t come back! (chat.) (!)SC
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Update…
I contacted Trading Standards and there reply was :-
I had no chance on redeeming the money I had lost in time manufacturing these items and the most I could probably get is a refund on the goods.
If I wished to take it through court it would be a long drawn thing, with me maybe losing.I contacted APS and they have fully refunded me the goods and threw in a few rolls of Standard Vinyl, Laminate and Banner Material.
I have closed the issue with them but needless to say the material they are marketing for use on motocross shrouds IS NOT UP TO THE JOB.
This has cost me considerable time and money and needless to say I will be ordering some Convex material to cover the ruined prints and then giving the motorcross printing a big miss!
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I have found out that the big suppliers of these graphics are importing the materials from the US in large quantities.
I can’t compete and do not want to with that.
We have a large motorcross scene happening out here in the north west and over the last 10 years lots of people have asked if we made the panels for these bikes. So once we got the templates sorted, got some nice designs and found a reasonable costing material that was supposed to be upto the job we got loads of orders.
I am still sitting with at least 36 sets wanting designed and printed!I tested the material sample we were supplied and found it to adhere very well and it was really glossy and printed fantastic.
These problems haven’t come to light until they start using them on the track.
Another thing to note is after cleaning the bikes after a race the graphics have a matte finish and have lost all trace of the glossy finish.And yes an open forum is were to place this as we have lost a lot of money and it has seriously tarnished our company if the materials I supply are not up to the job.
Imagine if you applied a print to a sign and it blew off in the wind, this is the same thing.I hope APS are reading this.
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I’m not using any materials until I get somewhere with APS.
Their has been too much time and money sunk into this for the material to fail!Nicholas the materials are LG LD3888G and GV10-70 laminate supplied by APS.
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Kevin
It does state on the sample I have that it is "for low energy PE and PP surfaces such as motorcross shroud graphics"
Now if that doesn’t have a case nothing does.
I cannot believe that no one has had problems with this motorcross panels!
Or have I been given a bad batch?SC
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Owen
The graphics are delaminating and not adhereing to the panels.
No one has applied a set over a old set. That would be not a clever thing to do.
IF APS have had problems with their material they have not said anything to me.
My mx templates are bang on and stick directly to the panels with no over hangs.
We are only doing about 4 different bikes so I have had time to tweek my templates to make them absolutley perfect.SC
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All I have been offered is re-payed for material used!!!
I have 20 sets which take over 2 hours a set to print, laminate, cut and weed out each.
This is nothing to the fact I have had to give each person who bought these of me at least one set in normal vinyl to tide them over, which adds even more time and my material.
I don’t want to cause a carry on but my time has to be added onto this job and material alone doesn’t cover it!!
I need to speak to someone who has a similair problem with a companies material and how they sorted the outcome.SC
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Well I have just had another motorcrosser come in with his bike!!
The look of the graphics was so comical.
I have took some very unbelievable pictures.
They were all flapping in the wind.It took a minute to strip the bike completely, normally taking old motocross graphics off takes an absolute age due to the grab of the material.
I now want to know how I go about some sort of proceedings against APS as I thought maybe I was over reacting, but I now know I am not!!!!
This material isn’t suitable for application to motorcross plastic panels and it has been advertised for this use.SC
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Obviously APS have a problem!
I hate suppliers experimenting on the people who have to make the products into finished items.SC
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Yes I want compensated in some way or at least the correct material supplied!
Most of my prints have at least 12-24 hours curing time before lamination.
I have customers screaming for graphics that I supplied and have fell off.
I have been using standard 3-5 year vinyl with standard laminate as a backup till APS sorted this out and it lasts longer than the stuff they claim is made for the job.
We have one customer that we printed a set in standard vinyl and laminated and they look as good as the day they went on and that was 2 seasons/years ago.All APS want to give me is money back for the vinyl left!!!!
I think they are dreaming!
I am not being unreasonable but I must be down at least 40+ hours on these 20 sets.
Each customer has had at least one set of standard vinyl graphics FOC of me just to keep them going.If they say their material is up to the job, then why are my customers saying and proving it isn’t!
I keep getting told they have plenty of happy customers who use this material for motorcross graphics but I am still waiting to speak to them!
Kevin Flowers is the only one who says he has used this material but he is sticking on bins and even he says the adhesive properties can fluctuate.
And this is the ultimate thing I contacted LG hausys in Germany and they reckon this material is for sticking graphics to walls! No mention of Motorcross panels anywhere.
Help me I wish I never started doing these motorcross panels but everyone loves our designs and commitment to giving them a good product but if the product doesn’t work it just brings the name of our company down.
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The bikes get some hard treatment and then they pressure wash them to hell and after that drown them in WD40.
I have some bikes that have had them on for only2 weeks and they have gone Matte and they are hanging off them!
Before you say all the motocrossers cover there bikes in WD40 or something similair and don’t have problems with convex.
I feel that if this is the case this material hasn’t been properly tested for the motorcrossers!SC
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We have made our own templates.
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Templates are perfect and that is what we tell them to clean them with!
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What are you cleaning the panels with?
I know the motocross guys are hard on these and I agree the laminate needs to be thicker.
The over laminate goes matte after only a couple of races!
I know they cover their bikes in WD40 spray after cleaning but surely this should be up to the job.
But the amount of guys we have had back complaining is embarrassing.
Most of them apply their own graphics so will not have fancy cleaners to wipe them down.SC
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I cannot agree more with Lukes comments on B&P Graphics.
I owe B&P money but until they sort all the materials and parts they have sent out which were either wrongly sent or told that they would take them back.
I have given in.
I have rang since November trying to sort things out and am sick of being promised that "someone will ring you back"
I am so sick of being promised "someone will ring you back"!!!!!On a lighter note I swapped over to lyson 2100 inks on our valuejet and they are better than OE
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Well I can’t see your pictures as they have been removed.
I recently had problems with our 1604 and I have noticed a few other people have had problems.
Our printer started to show banding and it turns out the sensor on the encoder was touching the encoder disk.
There is an update to the wheel that aligns the encoder disk centrally.
If the machine is out of warranty take the left hand side panel off and rotate the x axis whilst the machine is switched off.
If the clear encoder disk is out of shape or touching the sensor it can actually create a banding issue.
Also if the belt tension on the x axis motor is correct and if it has been moved the PF adjustment needs reset.SC
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I know from previous applications you will never get fluorescent to last beyond 2 years due to how it is made. It’s radioactive you know and fades in sunlight no matter even if you over laminate it.
No one will guarantee fluorescent much further than 2 years…SC
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I told them he was just being a jobsworth if he can’t tell them what spec he wants how can he have any authority or right to say it’s wrong or right!
I’ve spoke to william smith again this morning and it seems that the specification for Road Maintenance heavy vehicles under chapter 8 is for the chevrons to the rear in Class 1 3M Red Reflective and Yellow fluorescent at 150mm wide. covering as much of the rear as possible!
Yellow fluorescent not Bright Yellow as some people think it should be.SC
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Sorry I have been registered on this site before but can’t get onto my login as I can’t remember my password and it was registered to a now defunct email address.
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Can anyone help on this as I need to get some materials ordered today.
I don’t want to order the wrong stuff!Thanks
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