[John Childs]

Not sure exactly what you’re going to fix too Harry, but would something like this fit the bill?

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/19219/Bol … ur-1-4-x-6

[John Childs]

quote John Harding:

er – the same person whos responsible if the post office fail to deliver the mailed return variety 😕 🙄

That’s what I’m afraid of John.

We recently started paying wages by bank transfer, to save the staff having to deposit their cheques every Friday, and maybe get faster access to their money. Everything went fine until last Friday, when the bank site was so slow as to be unusable, and we had to resort to writing cheques. I suspect that it was because, also being the last day of the month, all the monthly paid employees got their stuff done on the same day, thereby slowing the system down to the point that it was worthless. I can see the same happening with VAT payments.

Now, my attitude is that if HMRC insist on us using a basically flawed system to pay them then, if it goes wrong, then it is their problem. I will NOT be held responsible for problems of their making.

[John Childs]

It might be off topic, but I’d like to thank the tinting guys for the insight.

Anybody that comes in here wanting window tinting gets told to go see a specialist. 😀

[John Childs]

One question.

Who will be responsible if the return doesn’t get through on time because of a problem with web access or, more likely, HMRCs site crashing due to volume of transactions?

[John Childs]

quote John Gregson:

Similar story, you can’t even take family photo’s now 👿

See.

Give somebody a bit of power and they will always, always, ALWAYS, abuse it.

[John Childs]

Being asked my name by the police whilst hanging from a ladder over the security fencing of an airport is to be expected, and not a problem. Being harassed whilst going about my reasonable lawful business, by people whose only power is conferred on them by a yellow jacket, is.

Sure, none of us want to see atrocities, but there must be limits, or will you not be happy until we are all chipped, tracked, and our every utterance monitored and recorded?

The terrorists really are winning aren’t they?

[John Childs]

quote Jillbeans:

I am guilty of buying used romance novels on eBay for the past 6 weeks or so but I gotta stop.

Ha!! Your dirty little secret is out now Jill. 😀

Are you coming over for SignUK this year? I’ve got some hospitality that needs re-paying. 😀

[John Childs]

I’m with Phill.

Just ‘cos they get a yellow coat with the job doesn’t mean that they are entitled to disturb me going about my lawful business.

There are too many officious jobsworths in this country.

[John Childs]

quote Chris Wool:

any more before i make some stickers that say RAL4007 and stick them on the backing paper of some purple i have here.
and say look what i have found mr customer. 😉

:praise1:

[John Childs]

I have to agree with my learned colleagues.

Keep it. 😀

[John Childs]

quote Adam Ross:

Anyone got any advice on who to buy the printer from ?

I refer the Right Honourable gentleman to the answer I gave earlier. 😀

[John Childs]

quote Karl Williams:

Your just to scared to stay over this time. 😉

That’s the thought that ran through my mind. 😀

Stay over Dave. You’ll be fine. We’ll look after you. 😛

[John Childs]

quote Gareth Hankinson:

Sorry if I’ve opened a can of worms

No problem Gareth.

It is an ongoing issue, and an occasional re-surfacing, for those who may not have read previous threads on the subject, never hurts. 😀

[John Childs]

I think it was SS2 ink Andy, but it’s been a while.

Now on SS21 with a JV33.

[John Childs]

The instruction I received on my old JV3 were a little different to Karl’s.

Our engineer said to clean it every day that it was used (five minute job) but that if the printer wasn’t used then it could be left for four days. Sometimes it got left for a bit longer, but suffered no ill effects.

That was using full solvent inks

[John Childs]

It’s not site rules or even fashion. The issue is copyright.

Exchanging free fonts is not a problem, but you leave yourself open to legal action by accepting or giving away copyrighted ones.

The same goes for vehicle outlines. But that’s even worse because the author Brian Hayes is a member here. He wouldn’t be happy for people to give away his work instead of buying their own copy. And neither would I for that matter because if Brian can’t make a living then he’ll pack it in, and I would lose an invaluable resource.

It’s the same as a customer getting you to do a design for their sign, then having it made by someone else.

[John Childs]

We’ve had impeccable service from I-Sub Digital.

[John Childs]

Here you go Brian.

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quote Phill:

I think I might have to sleep in the unit as I might not be able to get home today 😕

You need a 4WD Audi. No problems then. 😀

The weekends sprinkling of snow has all but disappeared, but it’s grey and cold here. 😀

[John Childs]

quote Phill:

I did a similar thing to my toe back in 1940 when I was captured by the Japanese in Singapore.

Nice try Phill, but Singapore didn’t surrender until 1942. 😀

[John Childs]

Hang on a minute.

Doesn’t the milky appearance happen straight away, then gradually disappear of it’s own accord over a few days?

I know it’s cold, but I would have expected it to be fine after five days. 😕

[John Childs]

What inspecting body is it Chris?

[John Childs]

Hiya Steven. :welcome:

[John Childs]

quote Phill:

……And tell me Mr “expert” – wot about global warming then 😛

You’ve got a lot to learn Phill.

It’s only global warming when it’s hot.

When it’s cold it’s climate change.

[John Childs]

I’ve not got my font books here, but from memory the letter shapes look good for Helvetica. I’d just check the K to be sure though.

[John Childs]

quote Phill:

Yeah but have you thought about what you’re gonna do if the world gets hit by a gigantic meteorite…

…all your hard drive backups aren’t gonna help you much then are they 😕

Yes. But until then………

[John Childs]

I looked at those (or something similar) at SignUK. They looked like good bits of kit, but I thought that they were a lot of money for what they are.

We went with Dave’s Clustarack in the end, although ours only hold half a dozen rolls in a single line. We don’t use them for long term storage but we have one next to the printer and one next to the laminator for work in progress.

Very funny Phill. 😛

[John Childs]

quote Dave Rowland:

if you get an RGB from a client, then tell them it will be near that colour as those colours are really designed for the screen .

That’s more or less what I do Dave.

It just doesn’t seem very satisfactory, or professional. 🙁

But, if it’s the best we can do, I suppose that we’re stuck with it.

[John Childs]

quote Lee Attewell:

Isn’t it something to do with the larger colour gamut in rgb than is available in CMYK?

Apparently if you use rgb to design in then you’ll get much more vibrant colours when you go to print.

That may well be the case Lee, and I can see that that would be a good thing if you are designing something from scratch.

But it won’t help us if a client gives us an RGB reference and expects us to be able to match the colour, either to a vinyl or for print. How do we do that?

It’s not often that we get just RGB from a client but, when it happens, all I can do is to get a rough idea of the colour from MY screen, or the Pantone Colour Bridge book, then send them a sample of what I think is an acceptable colour for approval.

That’s a long winded process, and really negates the whole point of standards.

[John Childs]

They seem a little disorganised to me. Every year since I first spoke to them they’ve threatened to contact me before renewal date and give me a quote. They’ve never quite managed it though. Last time they rang a week after I’d renewed, and some years I never hear from them at all.

Perhaps it’s being unfair, but if they can’t even organise a quote, it doesn’t bode well for what might happen if we had a claim.

They reckon they’re going to be in touch again this year but, unless they come up with something spectacular, I reckon I’ll be sticking with AXA.

[John Childs]

More snow here.

We had a load on Thursday, which was thawing nicely up until yesterday, but then another load overnight.

I think I’ll find something to do inside today. Maybe go into the garage and clean a bike ‘cos it can’t last forever.

Can it? 😕

[John Childs]

Brilliant. 😀

[John Childs]

Olympics?

Are they on again? 😕

[John Childs]

And just how big do you guys expect a 4k image to enlarge up to? 😛

Got anything bigger Martin?

[John Childs]

quote Peter Normington:

who’s defo going?

Me. :bigwink:

[John Childs]

quote Jon Marshall:

Can I ask why do you want to use liquid as opposed to vinyl?

I was wondering the same.

Vehicles are a harsh environment for prints, and I prefer them to have the best protection.

[John Childs]

quote Steve McAdie:

but I only use it when all else fails.

So do we, but it’s not that dangerous if done carefully.

Work on small areas at a time, and apply the petrol with a rag, rather than spray it on. NEVER do it indoors.

Finally, petrol vapour being heavier than air, never do it in a confined space, and certainly not over an inspection pit or anything like that. Just make sure that there is a good air flow around and under the vehicle and even a slight breeze will dissipate the vapour. For that reason we wouldn’t do it on a still day either, and would prefer it not to be too hot and sunny.

Just don’t ask me how I know all this. 😀

[John Childs]

Open fine in Illy CS3. 😀

We’re doing a dog van tomorrow, so can have a bit of fun with them. 😀

[John Childs]

I find that adhesives vary from material to material, and that what works well on one type of vinyl isn’t so good on another.

In my opinion it’s best to have a range of weapons in your armoury, test them on each job, and use the one that works best.

One that hasn’t been mentioned is petrol. No, I don’t mean by spreading it on the van and putting a match to it, but it can sometimes dissolve an adhesive when all others have failed.

I suppose that will send the Health & Safety boys nuts. 😕

[John Childs]

Opened up fine here.

Re-saved as Illy 3, which should open up in Corel.

[John Childs]

If you’d like to email it to me Paul, I’ll see if I can do anything with it.

[John Childs]

quote Brian Little:

not to put a damper on it john but its all down to lighting and and lense filters

Nice try Brian, but you can’t fool me.

You’ll be telling me that there’s no Santa Claus next. 😀

[John Childs]

quote Jason Xuereb:

the uksb under 30 club.

Membership = 3. 😀

[John Childs]

I like the way the sun always shines on that programme.

Never seen a day’s rain

That’s why I watch it, waiting for a cloudy day. 😀

[John Childs]

Many happy returns Dave. 😀

[John Childs]

quote Peter Dee:

You’ll be upgrading to their new software no doubt as MYOB is discontinued I believe.

Well, yeah, OK. 😀

We are currently running Account Edge Plus, but it’s the same thing really.

It’ll take me at least two years to get used to the name change. 😀

[John Childs]

We’ve been using MYOB for about fourteen years.

That does it for us, but your requirements may be different, so you will need to check feature lists.

[John Childs]

It doesn’t sound like it to me Jason.

It depends on whether, as I suspect, that 60% is gross profit, or net.

The way to value a business, any business, is to take the net profit, after ALL expenses, including your wages, and to see how that stacks up against what you could earn on that same money elsewhere.

So, for instance, if you can get 4% interest on your money in a Building Society for doing nothing, why would you invest in a business that only gives you 4% return on your money. You wouldn’t of course.

When you take into account the risks involved, the business needs to be earning a multiple of that risk and effort free return. That multiple will vary from trade to trade, depending on many factors, but in this case a multiple of three times would be about right.

Don’t fall into the trap of thinking that you can run the business alongside your existing operation and reduce the overheads. Hopefully you can, but that would be an added value that you are putting into the business, and the rewards for that should therefore be yours. It’s not what the vendor is selling you, so why should he benefit?

I could go on for hours on this subject, but have a think about this point first. If that basic principle stacks up, we can always go into more detail if you need to.

Just one thought though, if someone was to offer me the turnover figure of my business, I would snatch their hand off.

[John Childs]

Isn’t this sort of thing what Vectorwise is for?

[John Childs]

Stuart,

Cleaning on solvent machines was never a problem. It is not onerous, and we regard it as a cost of doing business in supplying the most robust prints to our clients.

However, our JV33 uses a lot less ink in cleaning than did our previous JV3, so I would say that more modern machinery is more economical to use.

Of course, we are interested in green, but not at the expense of the quality of product. As soon as I am convinced that latex is up the the job, then I will place an order.

[John Childs]

quote Shane Drew:

John if the Poms like the underdog, you’ll be wanting australia to win the cricket then?

There are limits. 😀

[John Childs]

Thanks Harry. I can safely ignore that then. 😀

[John Childs]

quote David Rogers:

quote David Rogers:

it is genaerally recommended that you leave printed vinyl for several hiurs or overnight befire cuttiing into the printed areas.

That’s what I get for using my phone to type the reply!!

I didn’t want to say anything, but I thought the spelling wasn’t up to your usual standard. 😀

[John Childs]

Quiet day Harry? 😀

[John Childs]

As Dave says, leave them for a while before cutting.

If the colour goes right to the edge, at least 24hours.

[John Childs]

Found it.

Thanks Harry.

And anyboy else who looked. 😀

[John Childs]

quote Harry Cleary:

This might help John
http://www.connaught.plc.uk/userfiles/f … 202009.pdf
Thanks for the pics by the way…construction underway! 😀

Thanks Harry.

Since posting, I’ve found the logo in one of their docs, but hoping someone might have the "Putting you first" text that goes with it. 😀

[John Childs]

Yeah, so ruffty tuffty that we’re going on four wheels.

It’s that Peter Mindham’s fault. He made us do it. 😀

[John Childs]

quote John Harding:

John im 5 mins from tunnel you and your friends are welcome to hang out here if your delayed

Oh, excellent, I didn’t realise that you were so close.

It’s only a quick R&P trip. Out Sunday lunchtime, and return Monday afternoon. We can camp out at your gaff for the duration. 😛

[John Childs]

Heard on the news that the access road to the Channel Tunnel is blocked.

That’s a bit of a bugger because I am booked to go through it on Sunday. Hope it’s clear by then.

Eight inches of snow won’t stop me, but abandoned cars in the way will. 🙁

[John Childs]

Congratulations Otto.

Life will never be the same. 😀

[John Childs]

Hi Robert. :welcome:

[John Childs]

quote Stuart Green:

sometimes its just better to ask and learn!!

Something my dad taught me: It’s good to learn from your mistakes. It’s even better to learn from somebody else’s. 😀

Anyways, I’m glad you’ve taken the advice on board.

[John Childs]

quote Peter Normington:

So isn’t it against the law just to employ midgets?

I though it was against the law NOT to employ them.

At least if you read the blurb some of my public sector clients put out you could certainly get that impression. 😀

[John Childs]

quote John Harding:

By the way Sher if you make time to post in the say hello forum – youll make more friends then 😀

:yes1:

I don’t have an Oracal 951 swatch, but the 851-804 is a very close match to MacTac 9829-01. I’d be happy to substitute.

Unfortunately, neither of them are RAL1014. Although not a good match, I’d say that they are nearer to RAL1015.

[John Childs]

Cheers. 😀

[John Childs]

quote matty goodwin:

Every time I post a reply 3 people have got in before me!

Keep up Matt. *rofl*

[John Childs]

quote matty goodwin:

I certainly see you point but surely if this forum is for established signmakers only then it should be subscription based only?

That’s a point that is often raised Matt.

I can see the point in allowing a wider entry, partly as an attempt to educate newcomers into not devaluing our trade, but also to encourage keen and serious newcomers.

That wider entry of course means that we also get the chancers too, and it then becomes a matter of personal choice as to who we choose to help.

Personally I would prefer that it be restricted to bona fide signmakers (including vinyl applicators :D) but can understand and appreciate the reason why it is as it is.

[John Childs]

quote Ian Johnston:

can you honestly tell me how you could manufacture, print / plot apply, load into van, hire a helper and install all of this for £900.

That’s what I’ve been trying to make him understand Ian. Stuart is wildly underestimating the time this job will take him.

But, hey ho, we’ve all done it. I know I have, and learned from my mistakes. 😀

[John Childs]

quote Stuart Green:

then i guess £1900 would be about right as £1000.00 for materials, design time e.t.c 2 guys + scissor lift would be about £450. i could thn have £450 for myself.

Your £450 is about 23% gross profit. If you are happy with that, then go for it. I don’t reckon it’s enough.

And I still think you are underestimating the time the job will take you.

John, if Stuart buys a flex face from Kestrel, or their like, it comes already built up, so it’s just a matter of fixing to the building, installing the flex, then tensioning. Fast, fun and fumble free.

[John Childs]

quote Stuart Green:

the ground is quite flat and i would say about 25 feet high. IF I hired a cherry picker how much would you charge??

There’s no way I would fit signs that high from ladders.

As for cherry picker, the same theory applies. Find out what it will cost you, and put a mark-up on it.

[John Childs]

quote Stuart Green:

also how much would you charge for this kind of thing?? i am looking at 150% mark up on top of material and £250 for the install.

You’ve got to calculate your own price, dependant on your own costs, labour rate etc.

But I would say that 150% mark-up is much too high. 50% would be plenty for me – that’s £500 profit right there – and I would probably settle for a bit less.

On the other hand, of course I don’t know the site and what will be involved, but I would say that £250 is way too low. I think you need to go through it step by step and work out a realistic idea of the time it will take, the number of men you will need, etc etc.

It sounds like this is the first job of this type you have done so the best advice I can give is that it will take you a lot longer than you think.

[John Childs]

quote Stuart Green:

by hire equipment i take it you mean i cant do this job with ladders and would need to hire a scissor lift??

Dunno Stuart. How high is it going to be? What’s the ground like underneath?

Perhaps what I should have said was that IF you need access equipment, then you could get it delivered direct.

I wouldn’t want to put up signs of that size, whether flex, frame or Panatrim, many feet off the ground from ladders. A scissor lift is only of any use on fairly flat, level and solid ground.

A cherry picker would be by far the best choice although, if you had got plenty of time to waste, you could consider towers.

[John Childs]

No probs Nigel. That was an easy one. 😀

Let me know if you need anything typing up.

[John Childs]

Gillies Gothic bold.

[John Childs]

quote Stuart Green:

Just trying to keep the work inhouse instead of subbing it out.

I do appreciate that Stuart, but really you are better sending the file to Kestrel and letting them print direct to flexface material.

That’s what did with my last (the only one) flex face sign. Then Kestrel delivered it direct to my customer’s premises, so no transport worries.

Get the hire company to deliver the access equipment direct as well and all you have to do is to bowl up at the appointed time with a few hand tools and crack on with putting it up.

As long as you put a sensible mark-up on it all then you are still making money, but having a much easier life. And maybe leaving yourself free to chase up other work.

[John Childs]

quote Martin Oxenham:

One question about the back panel….what method do you use to cut it to the shape of the van panel ?

Whatever the job we just use whatever method seems to be the quickest and easiest for the volumes involved.

Ones and twos we would just print oversize and trim to shape on the van. High volumes we would print and cut.

This customer falls somewhere in between those extremes, batches of five to ten at a time, so we print a fine line of the panel shape on the image, then just cut by hand.

To get the actual panel shape we start with the Impact outline, then adjust by trial and error until it’s right.

[John Childs]

I would deffo use flex face for the 9000 x 3000 sign.

For the rest an aluminium frame will be fine, although I won’t use Panatrim under any circumstances. Much better to use a proper frame from the likes of http://www.kestrelsigns.com/signframe.htm

Yes, they cost more to buy but, if you take off the time it will take you to make a Panatrim frame, there isn’t that much in it. A Kestel frame will also be a lot stronger and look much better than your Panatrim effort. You will also save in erection time.

Panels blowing out is a real danger, although less so with composite because there is no expansion and contraction opening up gaps to worry about. However, in those signs with joins, you will still need to pay careful attention to locking the panels together.

[John Childs]

Maybe my experience isn’t valid any more, but many years ago, when the early friction fed machines weren’t up to doing long lengths, and drag knife machines couldn’t get the quality, we bought a Summa T1010+ because it had the option of using friction or sprocketed vinyl, and tangential or drag cutting. A very versatile machine.

Of course, times have changed, cutters have improved, and we haven’t needed sprockets or tangential for years. When I look to buy a new cutter these days, those features don’t enter my mind.

I would be surprised if a newer machine didn’t give you the option to use a drag blade and, although tangential might be useful to you for specific jobs in the future, I would say that the likelihood of that happening isn’t worth paying a big premium.

I would say that our T1010+ was a good machine, very robust, and well suited to production use. Definitely not a hobby cutter.

[John Childs]

That’s right Peter.

What I actually tell them is that, on any vehicle, to choose one datum from which to take all measurements. In the case of the Trafic the bumper is straight, so makes a good place to use. Other vehicles may have better datum points.

Oh for the old days, when Transits had gutters, and all we had to do was to hang a tape measure from it. 😀

[John Childs]

quote Tim Painter:

My only comment is the back of the traffic’s the lower text is aligned to the panel crease not to the rest of the upper text & the Badges.

Personal opinion but I think it looks better all being parallel.

I agree Tim, and I’ve told them time after time to measure up from the bumper.

[John Childs]

quote Phill:

Not really – you’re accused of mudslinging (puppy-eyes)

OK. Message received. :peek:

[John Childs]

quote Phill:

Alison has now been absolved of all suspicions of causing the crack. Her defence of "I don’t have any diamond rings – they’re all cubic Zircona you cheapskate" has been accepted as a suitable alibi 😕

Is it safe for me to raise my head above the parapet now then? 😀

[John Childs]

Hiya Warren.

They are two separate pieces.

The blue stripe is straight and is put on first, then the contour cut printed image is laid over the top. That obviously leaves a line where it goes from one thickness to two, but it is hardly visible, and certainly not from more than a few paces away. Even less so on the Trafic where the join falls on a swage line.

It’s done that way because, although it would be fairly easy for us on new vans to cut and apply the stripe to butt up to the print, we have to think of accident damage repair, and the skill levels found in the average bodyshop can be variable. Overlap give them a bit of placement leeway, and therefore a better chance of getting a decent result.

[John Childs]

£84.56 plus VAT.

So about the same. 😀

[John Childs]

It’s that time of year again, and my TV licence renewal has arrived. 🙁

Thought I’d have a quick look through and it appears that, provided that you do have a licence, you are covered for "Use of TV equipment powered by internal batteries anywhere".

So I can watch TV in my office on my iPhone, or indeed on a laptop, but not a desktop machine.

[John Childs]

Customer’s design Glenn. I’d have preferred to see their company name a bit more prominent.

Here you go Jill. I’ve got no close-ups of the Kangoos, but here’s one of a batch of Trafics we did a while ago.

Six more Kangoos booked in for May though. 😀

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:wow:

Saints 31-17.

And the equal biggest comeback in Superbowl history, from 10 points down at the end of the first quarter.

I’m pleased, partly because I’m British, and we always like to see the underdogs win. But mainly for the people of New Orleans, who needed a boost in their efforts to rebuild their city after the events of five years ago. I’m sure I read somewhere that the population of the city is still only 25% of what it was prior to Hurricane Katrina.

[John Childs]

quote Dave Rowland:

The Who ! BBC1 superbowl right now

Yeah, and weren’t they diabolical?

Why does the NFL think it good to dig up time expired entertainers for the half time show?

Although never a fan, I thought The Who were good in their day. But how can I tell my kids that the sixties were a cool time to live through if they think that tonight’s performance is what we listened to?

It was an embarrassment, and they should hang up their guitars. 🙁

[John Childs]

Nothing new under the sun. 😀

http://www.economist.com/diversions/dis … id=2536032

[John Childs]

quote Dave Rowland:

never seen american football so clear on tv!

Yeah, you’re right Dave I hadn’t noticed.

Perhaps our American cousins have moved off their old 525 line standard.

HDTV is upon us. 😛

[John Childs]

quote Dave Rowland:

quote John Childs:

So, who’s staying up tonight to watch?

10.00pm Sky Sports 1
10.50pm BBC2

I might be a little late for work in the morning. 😀

BBC1 Here… just turned it on, never seen american football so clear on tv!

Check the date Dave. BBC1 here too this year.

Think I need to ease up a bit on the whiskey though, or I won’t make it to the end. 😛

[John Childs]

Ah well, here we are in front of the tv again.

Whiskey bottle, smokes and salty snacks to hand.

Heart says New Orleans, but head says Indianapolis.

Don’t expect me in work very early tomorrow. 😀

[John Childs]

Like all quoting, break it down into as small a pieces as you can, then add them all together, and there’s your price.

In this case, crudely, how much print will it take, at what price to you? Add in a profit margin and however long you think it will take times your hourly labour rate. That will give you your price. Simples.

That your price may be more or less than anyone else’s is neither here nor there. Your overheads may be more or less than others, but that doesn’t matter, it’s your costs that are important, and which will dictate your profit.

Work your own price, then, if you win the job you will make money. If you lose it because you are too expensive, then what does it matter? You weren’t going to make any money anyway.

[John Childs]

*rofl*

[John Childs]

quote Peter Normington:

found this Alex
http://project5.ghcentre.com/samples.htm

That looks very much like an updated version of the software I used to use.

If so, Alex, it takes a bit of practice to get the best out of it, but worth the effort.

[John Childs]

quote Ian Bell:

Can anyone guide me the best place to get vehicle outline software from?

The best ones are from http://www.impactgs.co.uk/soft-vl.html

quote Ian Bell:

Are there also any rules for using fluorescent vinyls on a car ?

No.

But try not to do it because it will fade like buggery and lead to, if not complaints, then at least a disappointed customer.

[John Childs]

According to my weather service, Jill is currently enjoying a temperature of -14C (7F), and forecast to drop a bit more yet.

What sort of range do you get in your part of the world Duncan?

[John Childs]

quote Phill:

We’ll get it in about a weeks time Peter. Have you never noticed we get Americas weather about a week later 😕

That’s exactly what Jenny said earlier this evening.

Must be right then. 😀

[John Childs]

Stay inside and keep warm Jilly.