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does anyone have any updated news on the mimaki CJV3?
Hi
booked in to see the new CJV3 next week just wondered if anyone had seen it already or even is using one. Would be interested in your views.Kev
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I dont think print and cut will catch on.:wink: i did see it ant the sign show, but if you need to upgrade go for the jv33 p and c bundle or have a look at the new roland, 11k for a 64" p and c machine looks like a good buy,
have only seen the adds, but will be going for a demo if I can.Peter
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Evening Pete
I have a Roland Pro II P&C & am swayed towards getting a P&C again. I have a Summa 120 & 610 for cut vinyl the 120 is also Opus so can cut prints if need be. P&C is handy as i do a range of unlaminated labels & short term promotional stuff. I’m going to Hybrid arranged by Signmaster for the demo & will be looking at the JV33 bundle as well. The new Roland RS640 is a print only machine my Europoint rep is arranging demo on that an the XC540 although i would prefer a 64” machine so that i can cover 10′ x 5′ boards in one hit. How are you finding your JV3?Kev
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quote Kevin Flowers:Evening Pete
I have a Roland Pro II P&C & am swayed towards getting a P&C again. I have a Summa 120 & 610 for cut vinyl the 120 is also Opus so can cut prints if need be. P&C is handy as i do a range of unlaminated labels & short term promotional stuff. I’m going to Hybrid arranged by Signmaster for the demo & will be looking at the JV33 bundle as well. The new Roland RS640 is a print only machine my Europoint rep is arranging demo on that an the XC540 although i would prefer a 64” machine so that i can cover 10′ x 5′ boards in one hit. How are you finding your JV3?Kev
Kev, sorry you are right the rs 640 is print only. but if you already have a cutter, its still looks like good value
My Mimika has run faultless (couple of minor issues excepted) for the last 2 years come December.
My only concerns is the solvent ink, which does get up my nose, literally.When you do go to Hybrid, take a few of your own files to print and also previous prints from your own machine, so you can compare.
I did, and was pleasantly surprised.
Peter
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Thats what i did last time, I also take various media i use. Only its easy for them to set a printer to run on there own specified media which could be top of the range 3M etc but in the real world its not necessary the vinyl everyone uses daily. From what i’m told Roland are set up to run the full range of Oracal media.
Kev
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kevin with all the roland experience you have i am surprised you are considering a change of make.
also depends if you are keeping your 540, if you are then supplemented with the new 640, could give you a good balance.
i dont know for sure yet but both driven by versaworks would be handy in work flow.but if you can justify a xc540 i dont think you will regret it.
chris
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Hi Chris
won’t be keeping the ProII, ideally want the 64" capacity as been doing a lot of 5′ x 10′ sheets & its a killer having to do in 2 parts. As i said looking at the RS as well, will know Thursday when i can go & see that. I am looking at basically setting up a production line style work flow, print – mount with the Ezy Taper then trim & out of the door only laminating where needed.Kev
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i be keeping my eye on it too.
saw sign show machine and it was at viscom but didn’t see it running -
I’ll keep you posted Dave, have you checked out the video on there site
http://www.mimaki.co.jp/english/sg/inkjet/cjv30/
The operation of it seems to be unique and not just a copy of Rolands system. It selects either the cutting head or the printhead & can raise the friction wheels as it cuts all controllable by the rip. Another item i liked is the registration scanning for print & cut but wonder how much speed it will loose because of it but may be worthwhile if it remains accurate over long print & cut runs.
Any manufacturers listening how about a new take up roller for Print & cut 😉Kev
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looks interesting kev i can see why you are considering it.
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i have a good look at that at some point
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… Hello all!
I am a newbie, and not from English speaking area, so don’t mind my poor spelling, please.Anyway, I did see CJV30-160 a month ago, at graphic show here, seen it in action, and was pretty amazed with it.
It uses one head, and it is same Epson head that new Mutoh use also, and one generation newer than heads used in Rolands. That means, all nozzles for all colors are in one head (which is not good thing when it comes to changing head and it’s price, but there are no problems with heads-alignment on the other hand). It also infuences the speed in a good way, while remaining quality of the print.Newer head have one more improvement over older – smaller dot-size. Older heads (Roland Sp, Vp, …) have 5 picolitres smallest dot size, these new ones have 3.7 picolitres. This means NO GRAIN in print, more details …
When it comes to cutting it is PRECISE, but not very fast. As test, I asked tech-man to make mistake of 1mm in cutt over print (easier to follow), just to see how well it maintaines that mistake (or, to see on longer cuts of same thing, how much it changes), and in 1 meter of cutting, there were virtually no change, same one milimeter as at the begining.
The machine I saw was using ss21 colors, and it really did not smell that bad. It is MILD SOLVENT afterall. But, ventilating is generaly recomended. With CJV’s, U can choose between ss21 ink and ES3 – which is ecosolvent, but I did not see it in action.
CJV30-160 have possibility of uninterrupted color suply, which means U can put 2 cartridges of each color in it, and U don’t have pauses when one runs out of color, it automaticly switches on the second one. I think it’s the same thing as in jv33. … Actually, whole print-system is the same as in jv33. So, U have jv33 with a cutter!All in all, I am really having trouble deciding between Roland VP540 and this Mimaki. More advantages on Mimaki side, though. Rolands have better color management, EcoSol Max color (though, on a printed sample I took from VP540, I could SMUDGE color with my finger, whereever it had cyan in high percentage), they look more sleek in design, more easy to operate. Mimaki have more robust build, better print quality, newer technology implemented, wider print (160 cm compared to 136 of Roland) for only 500 euros more … …
So, I am closer to decide on Mimaki side, based on all said. -
Just had the CJV30-130 installed last week, and so far it is excellent, the print quality is FAB and even at the quickest (Draft) speed for banners etc the quality is excellent, the print and cut feature is great and handy, just send the job over to the machine and then when you go back it is finished, or you can take the printed job out, laminate > put back in then cut.
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Andrew
Are you still happy with your CJV30-130?
I was looking closely at one at SignUK yesterday and couldn’t see any downsides. Are you running the white ink+6colours or the 4 colour setup?
Think this may be a suitable replacement for my VJ1204 as it seems to have the quality of the mutoh with the benefits of the versajet + the option of white print.
Cheers
Colin
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Colin
Oh yes still running away with this and still so far no problems (apart from a squeeking belt which pisses me off), the quality of this machine is excellent and also the ability to do really good quality at 4 pass.
I am running the 2/4 colour setup which is also great not running out of ink.
So just go for it.
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Good info Aleksandar and others, swaying me away from Roland now.
Could anyone give rough buying price for the CJV 130 and 160, not RRP as it seems deals are to be had in this present business climate.
Secondly solvent or mild solvent/eco solvent (whichever the CJV can use), which is best, have the ecos come on far enough to be scratchy proof without lamination and can solvent print on more materials (standard vinyls even) than eco sol?
Thanks
Ian :lol1:
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quote Aleksandar:… Hello all!
I am a newbie, and not from English speaking area, so don’t mind my poor spelling, please.Anyway, I did see CJV30-160 a month ago, at graphic show here, seen it in action, and was pretty amazed with it.
It uses one head, and it is same Epson head that new Mutoh use also, and one generation newer than heads used in Rolands. That means, all nozzles for all colors are in one head (which is not good thing when it comes to changing head and it’s price, but there are no problems with heads-alignment on the other hand). It also infuences the speed in a good way, while remaining quality of the print.Newer head have one more improvement over older – smaller dot-size. Older heads (Roland Sp, Vp, …) have 5 picolitres smallest dot size, these new ones have 3.7 picolitres. This means NO GRAIN in print, more details …
When it comes to cutting it is PRECISE, but not very fast. As test, I asked tech-man to make mistake of 1mm in cutt over print (easier to follow), just to see how well it maintaines that mistake (or, to see on longer cuts of same thing, how much it changes), and in 1 meter of cutting, there were virtually no change, same one milimeter as at the begining.
The machine I saw was using ss21 colors, and it really did not smell that bad. It is MILD SOLVENT afterall. But, ventilating is generaly recomended. With CJV’s, U can choose between ss21 ink and ES3 – which is ecosolvent, but I did not see it in action.
CJV30-160 have possibility of uninterrupted color suply, which means U can put 2 cartridges of each color in it, and U don’t have pauses when one runs out of color, it automaticly switches on the second one. I think it’s the same thing as in jv33. … Actually, whole print-system is the same as in jv33. So, U have jv33 with a cutter!All in all, I am really having trouble deciding between Roland VP540 and this Mimaki. More advantages on Mimaki side, though. Rolands have better color management, EcoSol Max color (though, on a printed sample I took from VP540, I could SMUDGE color with my finger, whereever it had cyan in high percentage), they look more sleek in design, more easy to operate. Mimaki have more robust build, better print quality, newer technology implemented, wider print (160 cm compared to 136 of Roland) for only 500 euros more … …
So, I am closer to decide on Mimaki side, based on all said.Better english than mine 🙄 sure u ain’t the head of Mimaki uk 😉
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Thanks Andrew
With the various attributes and competitive pricing I am a little surprised to not have heard of more of these in use.
As far as current prices go, there wasn’t much on offer at sign uk, just RRP with bundles of media from the various sellers but there were lots of people selling it so there is plenty of competition. I guess discount will depend a lot on what the margins are?
I can feel a proper demo coming on!
Colin
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Any retailers of Mimakis in the North East – North that we could go to for a demo, can’t find any on a google search.
Ian :lol1:
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quote Ian Muir:Good info Aleksandar and others, swaying me away from Roland now.
Could anyone give rough buying price for the CJV 130 and 160, not RRP as it seems deals are to be had in this present business climate.
Secondly solvent or mild solvent/eco solvent (whichever the CJV can use), which is best, have the ecos come on far enough to be scratchy proof without lamination and can solvent print on more materials (standard vinyls even) than eco sol?
Thanks
Ian :lol1:
Hasn’t been here for a while, so, I hope my answers is still usable:
In Serbia, CJV 30-160 price was 16000 EUR, with 20% discount since I was interested party for buying CJV on graphic fare here (GRAFIMA – Belgrade). Without discount it is close to 19K eur.
As far as type of colors, I would STAY AWAY from full solvents. espetially if U use Your machine in Your office. Mild is ok, good scratch resistance, good color gamut, not too smelly (xcept the color these HP 9000 series uses – real "header") Ecosolvents – Rolands EcoSol Max and Mutoh’s Ultra are really good. They are not scratch resistant, but in a way, U can not have some alcohol on them and scrach with rough cloth for a minute, but some water, normal cleaning, weather – do not do much harm on them.Full Solvents do print on more materials, but, generally speaking, most materials commonly sold here are ecosolvent printable.
… that’s it, happy decisions!
P.S. And No, I do not work for any printer seller, I own a small design studio, still on it’s way up ;{) :{)
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Hello all,
I’m on the way to buy a P&C machine: SP300 or CJV30-60/100, choice might be in favor of Mimaki’s.
At the point to get prices, I saw on the web:
http://pancarama.com/categories/Mimaki-Printers/CJV30-60 for 1747US$. 🙄 😮 😮 😮 😮 compare to the 7900€ here in France.
What is the trick? Is it a lease price or something like that? Or just the print head :lol1: (:)
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Nice if you can get it but my guess is a spoof site set up just to get your money! There are lots of these scams originating in Indonesia and Nigeria either offering goods at ridiculous prices or offering to buy your goods and then using cloned cards. I must get 2-3 emails a week that get through the spam filter looking for various "parts" or products to these countries.
My advice is beware!
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I think you will fine Colin is spot on the site is registered in Indonesia
Kev
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OK, that’s what I doubt. It’s amazing that it is made so "public".
Question about the JCV30: what is the minimum cut (or even print) width of the media that this machine allows?
I am used to cut small decals on rest vinyl from bigger projects and it would be helpfull if this minimum width is quite small 😉
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On my 130 width printer the smallest distance between roller 1 & 2 is around 60mm so theoretically this should be the minimum width material but I haven’t tried it!
Colin
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Had the CJV30-130 for a month now and it is one of the easiest machines to run. The quality is as good as the Roland print and cut equivalent.
We have got the 6 colour and 2 whites version. As I said in a previous post the price alone should sway you in the direction of the Mimaki. I
found I couldn’t get hardly any discounts on the Roland P & C but just
about everybody would deal on the Mimaki’s. Andersons and R.Horne gave the best deals £12995.00 was the best with a media bundle as well -
hello all,
what is the common price for SS21 Mimaki ink cartridges in UK (including VAT) ?
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I Pay £100 inc vat
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£84.56 plus VAT.
So about the same. 😀
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£79.96p + Vat (R.Horne) SS21 inks
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thanks for your answer. I though that there could be some great prices somewhere but it looks like that it is quite stable everywhere (~100£, 120€ in France inc VAT).
As I could find some compatible inks for almost half this price (in cartridge format), I wondered if it was possible to find some cheap Mimaki original carts. 🙄
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