[Richard]

Snap

[Richard]

I thought at first it was Lithos, but maybe Skia http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/cartercone/skia-cc/

[Richard]

Try releasing the media brake.

Slightly OT: That man has a rather peculiar looking left hand, and he seems to be wearing waders instead of wellies?

[Richard]

Thanks Mike, no joy there either.

But we have found another version of the logo, so the problem is now solved.

Richard

[Richard]

That’s a shame.

Thanks for trying though David.

Cheers,
Richard

[Richard]

That’s a damn good idea David.

Yer ’tis.

I believe it is supposed to look like the JPG attached.

Cheers
Richard

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TAKWRR.eps

[Richard]

Try Helvetica Neue 55.

With cut-down "d"s for "a"s and new circular "i" dots.

It’s a very good fit

[Richard]

Broadway (Engraved)

I think the SignLab version is called Drury Lane?(Ho Ho)

[Richard]

Vivaldi

[Richard]

Illustrator should be able to OPEN (at least CS or later) SVG files.

[Richard]

I thought it was Plaza, but no…

[Richard]

I think quite a lot of it is caused by it being the Adobe Serif substitution font.

It can only do so much with the Multiple Master metrics.

[Richard]

I’m glad you’ve got it sorted Ewan.

Richard

[Richard]

It does look like Adobe Serif.

I’m sorry, but I haven’t got the faintest idea what to do.

[Richard]

That’s the Adobe substitution font (for serif styles).

It’s what Acrobat uses if it can’t find the original font in the file.

The MM in the name is for Multiple Master which is used to imitate the weight, width, tracking etc of the missing font.

I don’t know anything about Flexi, but it seems like it might have been created from a PDF by someone who hadn’t noticed a font substitution warning.

If Flexi can’t handle the MM styling, I’d imagine that you’d end up with a bit of a train crash, even if you were able to use Adobe Serif.

Have you got any old proofs or pictures of the van that show whether vinyl was actually cut with Adobe Serif or the "missing" original font.

I’m not sure what to suggest.

Richard

[Richard]

B/GYN is Peignot Light, stretched a bit?

There’s something odd about Advanced, I did wonder if it was something italic, back-slanted to make it vertical. I did look at Stone Sans, but that’s not it.

How about Hurme Geometric Sans 3 for the name?!

[Richard]

Out of curiosity, how did you recognise it? I don’t think it’s exactly commonplace (although a lot of Dalton Maag’s design is).

Is it something you already use?

[Richard]

Give that man a gold star!

[Richard]

Is it possible it is a custom(ised) font?

Is it for a large company?

[Richard]

I thought it was Gotham, but it’s not.

[Richard]

Rockwell Light ?

I’m not sure I knew it came in anything other than Bold or Black!

Richard

[Richard]

Try this Hugh.

It’ll need a bit of work, they mostly have a St Edward crown at the top.

I’ve collected dozens of these over the years, I must get around to organising them properly one day!

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Brunswick Star.eps

[Richard]

I can probably find one in an hour or so.

It’s called a Brunswick Star by the way!

[Richard]

I think I should point out that neither "Facias" or "Sofits" are correctly spelled.

I should probably also mention that I once lettered a van for our neighbours who apparently supplied and installed "Windows, Doors and Consveratories"

[Richard]

Is the roll itself straight?

Release the brake and see if the roll appears to be more or less in balance, if you let it spin.

Have a look in the middle of the roll and see if it appears to go up and down relative the media rollers as it rotates.

We had terrible problems with this trying to print an unsupported clear until we realised the problems that bent rolls can cause.

Richard

[Richard]

I’d also mention that it’s often useful to have solid/spot colour (and/or single colour) versions of their logo, suitable for both light and dark backgrounds, designed alongside the the nasty web version with all its tints, gradients, highlights and transparency (and possibly even animation!).

[Richard]

Gotham Book

Haven’t got it I’m afraid.

[Richard]

Dylan

[Richard]

I think Gary’s right… with some Condensed Futura Black at each end.

Cheers

Richard

[Richard]

Linotype’s Bauer Bodoni Roman has that very "square" S, and the curved sides to the insid of the O.

But I’m not sure the width is quite right?

[Richard]

I’m not sure, to be honest.

I thought it used only black to print any file, I’ve used it to print what was meant to be BW images but not colour.

I’ll be interested to read what you discover.

Have fun playing, and good luck!

[Richard]

My interpretation of the OP that he was not talking about self-adhesive clear PVC.

[Richard]

If it’s only black and white, try using "Density Control Only" (?on the Quality" tab?).

[Richard]

You could try running some application tape along the dryer heater (after the vacuum holes). It seems to have a much lower stiction than PVC to warm aluminium.

Reduce temperatures (but not too much).

Unroll material, don’t pull it off the roll.

[Richard]

The "delta" looks like Futura.

"renewables" is probably mostly (or meant to be) Eurostile.

"services" here http://www.deltatservices.com/ definitely is.

[Richard]

quote Dominic Fowler:

For S30600 4 colour it’s 3 years unlamented on vinyl

That performance is lamentable… or laminatable?

[Richard]

Looks more like Univers to me.

[Richard]

Hi Rob, I take it that’s a compliment? I’ve never watched a whole Star War, so I’m not entirely sure!

Jamie’s the top man around here, in my opinion. I just spot a few old favourites now and again.

It’s all good in Kent, now the snow’s melted!

Richard

[Richard]

Futura Extra Bold, with a drop shadow and probably stretched a bit too.

[Richard]

Peignot Bold

[Richard]

Nueva Standard.

I think you’re right about the squoosh™ too.

[Richard]

Lithos

[Richard]

Franklin Gothic?

[Richard]

Aachen Bold

[Richard]

Bookman?

[Richard]

It’s very similar to Peignot, with a modified A apex.

[Richard]

If you want PURE black only, choose "Density Control Only" as the Preset in the "Colour Management" section of the Quality page.

Unfortunately, pure doesn’t always look like a real black and white photograph though.

[Richard]

Here you are Neil, I hope this OK

Richard

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Firebrand.ai

[Richard]

It’s a custom font called Firebrand.

Designed for the national procurement project. Along with the nice new empty control rooms.

I can set you some outlines if you like.

[Richard]

quote :

Agent: Anyway, you’re interested in one of our holidays are you?
Customer: Yes thats right, I saw your advert in the bolour supplement.
Agent: The what?
Customer: The bolour supplement.
Agent: The colour supplement?
Customer: Yes thats right. Im afraid I cant say the letter B
Agent: C?
Customer: Yes. Its all due to a trauma I suffered when I was a Sboolboy. I was attacked by a bat.
Agent: Ah, a cat?
Customer: No a bat.
Agent: Well can you say the letter K?
Customer: Oh yes, Khaki, Kettle, Kipling, Kuwait, Kings Bollege Bambridge.
Agent: Well why dont you say the letter K, instead of the letter C?
Customer: What, you mean spell bolour with a K.
Agent: Right.
Customer: Kolour.
Agent: Yes.
Customer: Ah thats very good. I never thought of that before. What a silly bunt.

[Richard]

Benguiat Gothic

[Richard]

Isn’t Humanist 521 Bitstream’s knock-off of Gill?

A bit like Swiss 721 is their knock-off of Helvetica.

[Richard]

Feel Script

[Richard]

Goudy

[Richard]

Clarendon Bold?

[Richard]

This is the sans text in P22 Underground, which is really a clone of the original Johnston font.

It’s probably closer to what your ’65 bus should have had on it. New Johnston is a much more recent re-working of the earlier font.

There’s a correctly proportioned roundel in it too.

EDIT: I’ve only just realised that the two lines of text on your decal are in different fonts.

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Johnston.eps

[Richard]

I’m just astonished that it’s not the corporate New Johnston, and the roundel doesn’t look quite right either.

[Richard]

Try this.

I printed it to something I found a while ago called PDF4U

It often makes a pretty good job at converting embedded font type to outlines.

Richard

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Attachments:

obaid_arabic.pdf

[Richard]

Nigel, a lot of these sorts of scripts do tend merge together don’t they? But I do have a a bit of soft spot for Roger Excoffon’s fonts.

Well, "RudeBits" isn’t the one I thought it was, Spaceage.

Richard

[Richard]

Sorry Nigel, but I think "RC Winning Products" is Roger Excoffon’s Mistral.

I’m pretty certain that SignLab has a font that matches "RudeBits", but I can’t check that ’til the morning.

I wouldn’t be surprised to find "Answer RC" on Dafont.com, it looks like a mix of glyphs from Bank, Serpentine, Copperplate and Benguiat.

[Richard]

Hi Rob :thumbsup:

[Richard]

Quazar International

[Richard]

Fantastic, thanks Simon.

[Richard]

Collis

[Richard]

It’s a custom font from called kfdisplay from Dalton Maag.

Handy tip: find a PDF from the appropriate company and have a look on the Fonts tab of the document properties (Ctrl+D).

Doesn’t help you much with this I’m afraid.

Richard

[Richard]

What company is it for?

[Richard]

Yes, I don’t have it I’m afraid.

[Richard]

Phil Garnham’s Lola from Fontsmith

[Richard]

quote Noel Kearney:

the right hand side font is eurostile

But why all the different letter heights?

[Richard]

I think apex is Danube, which I’m pretty sure is on dafont.com

[Richard]

quote Martin Cole:

Here’s my predictable take on it

I wonder if changing the font from Helvetica (Neue?) to Arial might be seen as step too far.

Otherwise, a good effort.

Richard

[Richard]

PC, Futura Extra Bold/Black?

Helvetica Extra Bold/Black numerals?

[Richard]

I’m afraid I don’t know ColorRip at all, but in VersaWorks, there is an option to choose "Density Control Only" from a Color Management drop-down list on the Quality tab.

That might give you a clue for something to look for?

What are the upgrade options to SP300i and the possibility of using VersaWorks?

Good luck
Richard

[Richard]

The e could well be Frutiger 75.

I have now idea about the other two though.

[Richard]

Stretched Arial Black, with a (badly drawn) custom "o"

[Richard]

quote Jamie Wood:

… and particularly Hobo. Ugh.

Oh, I don’t know, he was one of Cooper Black’s friends after all.

[Richard]

Humanist 521 is just Bitstream’s knock-off of Gill, just like their Humanist 777 is really Frutiger.

Richard

[Richard]

Have a look at Variable Data in VersaWorks.

You have to follow the naming conventions for the variable data spot colour and field name exactly, but it works really well.

Richard

[Richard]

It’d be even more helpful if it was changed to "Spectrum ; Font ID Please"

[Richard]

It’s VERY similar to something in an old Letraset book called Marvin, by Face Photosetting.

Possibly extended a little.

[Richard]

Akzidenz-Grotesk?

[Richard]

quote John Cooper:

Is this Welsh? What’s the English equivalent?

Isn’t that in Scotland?

[Richard]

I used to work for a company that made LOADS of these:

For a 4’x3′ sign, rear frame from 2"x1" PAR, butt corners, joined (using pneumatic stapler) with c.6"x6"x¼" ply triangles on each corner.

4mm Correx sign, fixed to rear frame by stapling through 1"x½" PAR battens (mitred corners for neatness).

Join two signs together with two butt hinges.

For 5’x4′ signs, we’d put an extra piece between the two long sides, and probably three hinges. We’d usually put a 4-5" strip of the Correx "toffee" tape on this crossbar for extra strength.

The key to good productivity is the powered stapler.

Well that’s how we made them anyhoo!

[Richard]

Univers?

[Richard]

Le Griffe

[Richard]

I’m not sure what the font is, but try this.

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integrated utility services.eps

[Richard]

Bookman Swash

[Richard]

Letraset’s Revue (or Review in Signlab)

[Richard]

Gill?

[Richard]

Building & Loan is similar, but it’s not the same.

[Richard]

Peignot Bold is not right, but it does have the strong vertical/horizontal/diagonal contrast.

I’ve seen a non-flared "version" of Optima somewhere once, but I’ve never been able to find it since.

[Richard]

quote Dave Rowland:

lol.. i heard Rowland’s were the worst !!!

That’s a surprise, I understood Rowland lavished much care and tenderness on his machines, my poor Roland, on the other hand…

[Richard]

I think the more common term for the foil embossing Dave mentioned is "hot foil blocking".

We don’t do it, but we do use HFB presses and high-frequency weld tools that are very similar to foil blocking tools. Exquisite things machined to fantastic tolerances from solid brass.

[Richard]

How about Palatino?

[Richard]

Same here I’m afraid.

Is it a Mac file that has been emailed?

The first line of the file when it is opened is

quote :

(This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0)

Google suggests that this might be the Mac equivalent of MIME

[Richard]

I think Zurich is Bitstream’s knockoff of Renner’s original Univers

[Richard]

Univers

[Richard]

Harrington

[Richard]

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tss/workingdrawings/generalsseries/s54vehicletestingstation.pdf

[Richard]

You should be able to rip it from the Recruitment Brochure PDF on this page