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Wrapping back doors on vauxhall corse combo van
Morning all
were having some serious issue wrapping the back doors of a corsa van..
the problem is the back doors have panels where windows would be..
the recess is so deep the vinyl comes back out…
is there a solution to this…or has someone had the same issue before
help is much needed
cheers
T
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22 Replies
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which model is it,? the latest ones hardly have a recess at all,
If its the older model that has a panel instead of a window, then you can only cut round the panel, What vinyl are you using? do you have a picturePeter
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Hi!
Have to ask what vinyl are you using?
Matt
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Hi Peter
Its a 07 Corsa Combo and its the panels that replace windows
im using a 3M Controltac
absolute nightmare panels to do…..tried it three times trying to let the vinyl into the recess and then working it outwards
but it tore twice…
any help would be much appreciated
cheers
T
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do you have much wrapping experience Taroon, or is this your first go mate?
how did you clean and prep the vehicle surface of the vehicle?
where did you install the vinyls?
how cold was the vehicle and working conditions?
how did you heat/stretch the vinyl into the recesses?not quizzing just asking dome questions to get a better idea of the situation.
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Good Morning Rob
Ive been wrapping on and off for about 3 years
car was washed with tfr, then shampooed, left to dry for 2 hours went over it with a tissue, then cleaned once more with a isopoponal can never spell it right)
Installing them in my fitting bay, which to be honest is cold as its was freezing outside.
heaters can only do so much…
tried two ways first was to get the vinyl over the area, then slowly push in to place…which tore it part way…
second was o apply to the centre of the area and them apply from centre in to recess….
i really havent come acrss something this bad to do before
I think its purely the reccess has nothing for the vinly to stick to which means it gets weak…
but is there something or a way to solve this
Cheers
T
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Yeh i agree on the working temps at the mo. our workshop is same mate…
when stretching, did you apply heat?
blow torch
hair dryer
electrical heat gundid you use temp device?
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I am still not sure on the depth and width of the recess, but sounds like it is the cold that is the problem, whick 3m are you using, controltac is used on a lot of different grades.
Have you got a picture of the recess?Peter
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Ive attached some pics of what is going on
the vinyl is scotchcal 85series
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we have treated them like windows in the past! cut round the panel and feed the vinyl into the recess. hope that helps!
Dan
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Hi!
85 series wont stand a chance in that recess! Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!
A good cast is what you need. Control tack is easy to apply but hates recesses!
Matt
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cheers dan
i think its the only way really
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cheers matty
just seems to be turning into one of them jobs i hate
ahh well i just want it done then a few beers
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Taroon,
As Matty has pointed out, 85 series won’t do that panel. 85cv3 is a car wrap film and as such not intended, nor warranted, for deep recessed applications. I have done several tests on deep recessed panel vans and it does work, but at this point it’s still not warranted, and there are also slightly different application techniques required, along with a higher post heating temperature.
The biggest problem with that particular application is the actual width of the recess, its narrower than it is deep, so you haven’t enough material to play with therefore your percentage stretch is too great for the film. All you can do is bridge across, cut to the outer recess and ‘drop in’ what film you have left.Matty, i’m a little confused about your comment ‘controltac is easy to use but no good for recesses’??! Are you getting Controltac and comply mixed up? Controltac is simply the glass bead technology on the adhesive and is designed to aid application, but in no way affects a films performance in a recess. IJ380 is Controltac and this is the best film on the market for deep recesses.
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Hi A.
No confusion, guess I had a spelling mistake!!
If you think the Ij380 is the best, thats your opinion.
There are better, far more superior materials for wrapping. The market is massive now and unless your in it using these metarials then only comment on what you feel comfortable using!
Matt 😀 😀 😀
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Matt,
I’m not saying there aren’t any alternative films suitable for wrapping, I am in the market, and frequently use all manner of films currently available subject to my customers demand. I have worked in the vinyl graphics industry since I was 15 years old and therefore feel comfortable using anything to be honest.
I wasn’t being critical in any way, I was simply asking a question so you could clarify why in your opinion Controltac wasn’t suitable for recesses.
I’m not sure either that there are any ‘far more superior’ films on the market than IJ380, as this is still the only one warranted long term for the most challenging of recesses.. if you read some manufacturers spec sheets small print you will come across the words ‘stress cuts’ and ‘inlays’…
but like you said, it’s only my opinion!
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No problem A
We all have preferences to different vinyls, none are necessarily right, just our own personal choice!
I wouldn’t have used 85 to wrap this vehicle as I have had it fail in the past on various vehicles.
I respect your opinion and meant no offence!!
Matt
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Matt,
No offense taken, and likewise, none intended.
Andrew.
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What do you consider to be the best wrap film Matt?
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evening all
85 series wasent my choice either really, i got the job from a body shop and they supplied the vinyl as they use it to wrap cars…
the cars they wrap are all smooth lines and easy to apply, i wondered how they had a young lad with no vinyl application experience at all doing wraps…
and its purely the 85 series is so easy to apply….
If the recess wasent the issue i would have the van done in an hour or so…
there are so many different vinyl about and i find it hard to get one thats the best for all…
Prices go up and down all the time and its hard to price a job sometimes as the everyones doing wrapping now…..
to be honest ive worked out wrapping is worth it if your doing 2 a week other wise you can make the same amount of money from smaller jobs….
please excuse me if im wrong in saying this, but i can see a good margin…
if im wrong please put me right…
cheers
Taroon
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Tarroon,
Yes everyone is doing wraps, thats why there is so much rubbish around, and getting the proper applicators a bad name.It doesnt matter how many you do a week, each one needs to make a real profit, and cover all the expenses.
Makes me wonder why the body shop asked you to do it if the have a lad that does it all the time? they obviously must have had a problem.
I doubt if any vinyl would cope with that recess, the difficulty is you cant feed it in without it stretching to probably 5 times the width of the gap.
Mat and Andy may well say I am wrong, but a cut and shut job would be the only way to go for me.
alternative would be to get the body shop just to paint the rear doors.Peter
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i honestly would not have attempted to wrap into the recess, no matter what vinyl the company gave you.
i would have wrapped it as is, wrapped slightly into the recess till the vinyl became taught. then cut hard to the glass panel and then feed the vinyl in and cure with heat and squeegee forced in.
even if you managed to fit the vinyl into that area perfectly. there would have been a cavity between the glass and door where the vinyl would have no contact/adhesion.
the down side of cutting is that you will probably see the white of the van once the vinyl is fed in. maybe the body shop could run a small brush of pain in the recess and then you apply the vinyl as i mentioned. or… before wrapping. run a line of vinyl in the recesss first. then wrap in with the cut around the glass.
none of what i have said is perfect, but i just don’t think it is worth allowing the customers problem become your problem. because get it wrong, they "will" point the finger at you to get it fixed.
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Taroon, I’m a bit surprised by your last post, firstly as Peter says why did the body shop ask you to do it if they have someone who does this working for them ? Surely that must have started the alarm bells ringing if they had to ask you.
Secondly was your comment about having to do 2 wraps a week. Surely if you want your business to be successful you should be looking to do all sorts of different work rather than just sticking to one area. Yes everyone is doing wraps as Peter says there is a lot of rubbish about, you either compete on others terms and take less to win the job or you sell on your quality and charge a bit more.
Have some examples of bad wraps you can show customers, you won’t win every job but those you do get will be worth doing and there is still plenty of other sign work needing done to fill up the spaces.
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