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    Would you remove neons then re-fit them?

    Posted by Karl Williams on April 6, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    I’ve had an inquiry to move stainless steel built up letters that have neons in them that give a halo effect. He wants all this taking down and re-fitting on the side of the building. My guess is the neons would break…….or am I being to apprehensive?

    Ian Johnston replied 13 years ago 5 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Colin Bland

    Member
    April 6, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Hi Karl

    a few factors come into play I think

    1) how old is the neon and is it good bending

    2) how has the neon been installed is it a good installation or is the glass under stress, electrodes incorrectly connected etc

    3) how much experience do you have of neon

    4) and the hidden one not necessarily to do with the glass but the overall installation – i often maintain neon which has been installed often poorly by others with no electrode sleeves no proper earth bonding of letter faces etc etc
    If you remove and re-install you need to ensure that it is installed in accordance with current regulations not just reinstalled as you find it.

    I would take a few letter faces off and check the condition and installation before quoting and then include a clause in the contract that although you will proceed with care the client pays for any broken neon

    Last thing make sure your insurance covers you for neon installation some companies specifically exclude neon as has high risk

    have fun

    Colin

  • Karl Williams

    Member
    April 7, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Thanks Colin. I’m not intending doing it myself. Don’t know anything about neon so was going to sub it out. Just wanted to know before I waste anyones time in surveying the job and any cost to me if any. The neon has been up for over 10 years.

  • Harry Cleary

    Member
    April 7, 2011 at 10:57 am
    quote -Colin-:

    Hi Karl

    a few factors come into play I think

    1) how old is the neon and is it good bending

    2) how has the neon been installed is it a good installation or is the glass under stress, electrodes incorrectly connected etc

    3) how much experience do you have of neon

    4) and the hidden one not necessarily to do with the glass but the overall installation – i often maintain neon which has been installed often poorly by others with no electrode sleeves no proper earth bonding of letter faces etc etc
    If you remove and re-install you need to ensure that it is installed in accordance with current regulations not just reinstalled as you find it.

    I would take a few letter faces off and check the condition and installation before quoting and then include a clause in the contract that although you will proceed with care the client pays for any broken neon

    Last thing make sure your insurance covers you for neon installation some companies specifically exclude neon as has high risk

    have fun

    Colin

    Cheers for that Colin…may have something similar coming up and I wouldn’t have had a clue what to look out for…will maybe pass on it now!

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    April 7, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Not 100% sure on the regulations for moving things but for a new fit you would have to use someone who had a neon installers certificate, Chapter 17 on it’s own doesn’t cover you to fit neon. I would guess even if you were just moving it them this would still apply.
    Colin made some very good points, Neon does seem to become more fragile with age so even if it has been up for 10 years without any problem them moving it could cause failures, you should make the customer aware of this before you take any job on.

  • Colin Bland

    Member
    April 7, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Given the age of the neon I would be inclined to offer the client a conversion to LED illumination.

    Colin

  • Ian Johnston

    Member
    April 7, 2011 at 6:08 pm
    quote Harry Cleary:

    quote -Colin-:

    Hi Karl

    a few factors come into play I think

    1) how old is the neon and is it good bending

    2) how has the neon been installed is it a good installation or is the glass under stress, electrodes incorrectly connected etc

    3) how much experience do you have of neon

    4) and the hidden one not necessarily to do with the glass but the overall installation – i often maintain neon which has been installed often poorly by others with no electrode sleeves no proper earth bonding of letter faces etc etc
    If you remove and re-install you need to ensure that it is installed in accordance with current regulations not just reinstalled as you find it.

    I would take a few letter faces off and check the condition and installation before quoting and then include a clause in the contract that although you will proceed with care the client pays for any broken neon

    Last thing make sure your insurance covers you for neon installation some companies specifically exclude neon as has high risk

    have fun

    Colin

    Cheers for that Colin…may have something similar coming up and I wouldn’t have had a clue what to look out for…will maybe pass on it now!

    YOU KNOW WHERE TO PASS IT 🙄 :lol1:

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