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  • Windy weather causing havoc.

    Posted by Nick Minnery on December 7, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Is there anyone else out there in sign land suffering with the weather??

    Well, as we do mostly For Sale signs, including the large commercial type, the strong winds cause us lots of problems.

    Please say we’re not the only ones suffering?!

    John Singh replied 12 years, 4 months ago 6 Members · 10 Replies
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  • Gavin MacMillan

    Member
    December 7, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    We were just talking about this style of sign today, we often get asked to fit them and often refuse because of the low cost firms are willing to pay. That coupled with badly spec’d signs (massive sizes with few fixings) is a recipe for disaster.

    Not saying this is what you do, but we’ve seen 3 or 4 come down locally, just glad we had nothing to do with the fitting!

  • Nick Minnery

    Member
    December 7, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Hmmm, the larger ‘angled’ ones on the buildings are not normally the ones we have problems with, as there’s no movement in them (the push against eachother in any wind, at 90 degree fix)

    Saying that, it doesn’t stop me laying awake at night when it’s blowing a gail!

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    December 7, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Nick maybe it’s down to the way you install them, Like Gavin I used to get asked to install these and the money the companies are prepared to pay doesn’t make it worth doing unless you are dealing with a lot of companies so when you go to an area your not fitting just one board.
    Don’t think some people who fit them take a lot of time over it, couple of six inch nails through a facia seems to be how some do it.

  • Nick Minnery

    Member
    December 7, 2011 at 5:16 pm
    quote Martin:

    Nick maybe it’s down to the way you install them, Like Gavin I used to get asked to install these and the money the companies are prepared to pay doesn’t make it worth doing unless you are dealing with a lot of companies so when you go to an area your not fitting just one board.
    Don’t think some people who fit them take a lot of time over it, couple of six inch nails through a facia seems to be how some do it.

    Hi Martin,

    I’m pretty obsessed with fixing them properly, it doesn’t matter how long I take, and how many fixings (screws) I use, I always worry when there’s strong winds around. Better to be like that, than to not worry at all, I guess.

  • Gavin MacMillan

    Member
    December 8, 2011 at 8:50 am

    With the weather we have forecast today I wouldn’t be surprised if we have an issue or two, thing is, if the weather is so bad buildings are getting damaged, trees are coming down and there is general chaos people accept that signs are going to be damaged. Unfortunately ‘to let’ signs often come down when the weather is not this bad.

    If you fit them to a high standard and take care in your work, it sounds like you do, then yours should stay up in all but the worst weather. Doesn’t stop the worry but at least you know you have done what you can.

  • Nick Minnery

    Member
    December 8, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Cheers Gavin, we do try our best. I think the fitters are fighting a losing battle today though! 😮

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    December 8, 2011 at 11:30 am

    if signs come down in the likes of the weather Scotland is getting today, then its an act of god and the insurers should will pay out. note how i said "should" :lol1:

    anyway, in severe weather, signs will come down, just like anything else and we cannot be expected to replace or re-fit for free. i wouldnt anyway.

    the trouble with for sale & to let signage is its often manufactured from the likes of correx. which will rip and burst in the winds we are getting today. so they could be fixed into concrete on anchor bolts, it doesnt mean they will be safe and sound.
    other V-type projecting for sale signs, if not made of correx, then its cheap thin board and can sometimes weigh a bit. I in no way mean "your" signs, but any i take down when installing shop fascia and the like are often very roughly fitted. i.e. the last one i took down had 6 inch nails thru the sign into metal trim, some even hammered thru the face of acrylic.
    granted these signs are temporary, i get that part, but still, they also must comply to a level of health and safety in the chance they come down and hit someone.

    anyway, just talking in general here mate, not directed at you in any way.

  • Nick Minnery

    Member
    December 8, 2011 at 11:55 am
    quote Robert Lambie:

    if signs come down in the likes of the weather Scotland is getting today, then its an act of god and the insurers should will pay out. note how i said “should” :lol1:

    anyway, in severe weather, signs will come down, just like anything else and we cannot be expected to replace or re-fit for free. i wouldnt anyway.

    the trouble with for sale & to let signage is its often manufactured from the likes of correx. which will rip and burst in the winds we are getting today. so they could be fixed into concrete on anchor bolts, it doesnt mean they will be safe and sound.
    other V-type projecting for sale signs, if not made of correx, then its cheap thin board and can sometimes weigh a bit. I in no way mean “your” signs, but any i take down when installing shop fascia and the like are often very roughly fitted. i.e. the last one i took down had 6 inch nails thru the sign into metal trim, some even hammered thru the face of acrylic.
    granted these signs are temporary, i get that part, but still, they also must comply to a level of health and safety in the chance they come down and hit someone.

    anyway, just talking in general here mate, not directed at you in any way.

    Hi Robert

    Yes, I’ve seen some pretty shoddy boards (not ours) erected over the years. We now use concrete screws to fit the wood batton to brick, then ‘screw’ (torque screws up ladders, god-send) the framed correx boards to the batton. We always (personally, quite obsessivelly) make sure they are rock solid before leaving them.

    Before correx was introduced, I believe all of this style signs were framed hardboard. I really don’t know how they managed!

    Thanks for the reply 🙂

    Nick

  • David Rogers

    Member
    December 8, 2011 at 2:35 pm
    quote :

    The Met Office warned of severe weather and gale-force winds on Thursday with councils deciding to close hundreds of schools. Gusts reached 151mph at Cairn Gorm.

    That’s gusting at the same as a catagory 4 hurricane…

    Anyway – we were due to be fitting in Falkirk today but called it off to work indoors & closer to home in Kirkcaldy…then they shut the bridges (Tay & Forth) so now stuck in the workshop making up more stuff that we can’t fit…

  • John Singh

    Member
    December 8, 2011 at 9:44 pm
    quote DavidRogers:

    quote :

    The Met Office warned of severe weather and gale-force winds on Thursday with councils deciding to close hundreds of schools. Gusts reached 151mph at Cairn Gorm.

    That’s gusting at the same as a catagory 4 hurricane…

    Anyway – we were due to be fitting in Falkirk today but called it off to work indoors & closer to home in Kirkcaldy…then they shut the bridges (Tay & Forth) so now stuck in the workshop making up more stuff that we can’t fit…

    Are you home yet? Did they open the bridges or are you still stuck in the workshop?

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