Windows Vista available soon.

[Martin Cole]

Just bought a new laptop which has free upgrade to Vista, comes out end of Jan I beleive.

Wait until professor Rogers or Rowland come online sure they will know about it in depth.

Hers a link maybe of intrest http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/campaign … index.html

[Nicola McIntosh]

quote Martin Cole:

Wait until professor Rogers or Rowland come online sure they will know about it in depth.

och there maybe just google pasters :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

heres some more info on it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_n … dows_Vista

nik

[Marcella Ross]

quote Nicola Rowlands:

och there maybe just google pasters :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

nik

:rofl:

All I know is that Vista needs 1gb of ram to run ………. there was a free beta downloadable demo available from Microsoft but demand was so high it was available for less than 24 hours!!!!!
Should be good tho!

Marcella

[Robert Lambie]

thanks for the links, ill check them out. my concern was, will all my existing software run on it ok?
the last thing i want after having just shelled out on new software is to find it isnt compatable or creates glitches or something. 😕
im always one to steer clear of new releases letting other be guinea pig but as i am renewing and refreshing my system i thought it maybe a good move now. 😀

[Marcella Ross]

ach, let someone else f*** up their pc and wait until all the glitches are sorted! 😀

[David Rowland]

vista… nah not for me… however i could do with another computer then I would get vista so i could see the difference but at work I am not prepared to go vista.

I have been on dell’s site earlier, when looking at a cheapo computer with someone, the Vista option suggested that I have a minimum of 2GB of memory, well I thought that was not going to happen in my view, how much blimin memory an operating system needs, 512Mb is ideal for XP.

XP is very reliable now, so at present and not really seeing the new system, I have no need to upgrade.

Software should work but there will likely be updates for any that don’t unless that software is cack.

I think we will see what happens soon with Vista and vinyl cutters, a lot of new computers (like dell’s) do not come with Serial/Parallel ports now as they are 100% usb.

[Robert Lambie]

normally my view too marcella :lol1:

dave we bought 3 dells recently… great pc’s but be ready with notepad and pen, take names right way of sales people and get a tape recorded playing you saying NO NO NO i dont want cover…. NO NO NO i dont want to upgrade it to a better model… this is the crap you are dished every second sentence. dell is great on machines and price but nightmare call centre. 🙄

[David Rogers]

quote Robert Lambie:

…dave we bought 3 dells recently… great pc’s but be ready with notepad and pen, take names right way of sales people and get a tape recorded playing you saying NO NO NO i dont want cover…. NO NO NO i dont want to upgrade it to a better model… this is the crap you are dished every second sentence. dell is great on machines and price but nightmare call centre. 🙄

Agreed. Dell are selling cheap PCs – delivered for about £30/£40 more than you can (legally) build them for… But man! Their sales people just cannot take a telling.
Like you – NO I don’t want to upgrade, NO I don’t want 3 years cover. In the end I got ratty with the ‘indian call centre representative’. "Look. This is what I want – are you going to process my order one not!" Not to be put off – she then asked if I wanted to upgrade my shipping to next day…

As for Vista (back to the thread), I won’t be getting it. Like Dave R said – XP’s pretty good these days.
The Vista front end is supposedly ‘more intuitive’…just like the new ‘ie7’ that got foisted on us..but with even less buttons & drop downs.
And it’s not really all that hot in development terms. I know an ‘uber geek’ AKA nerdy MS tech and we got to discussing that side of it. It’s not the amazing departure from XP that was promised – it’s just a tartified XP with a few whistles & bells. Much the same way that ‘ME Millennium Edition’ was a bug ridden, glorified Win ’98 for most people.

The memory requirements are a killer too. XP (for example) will run on a slow spec 128Mb machine – I say ‘run’ – what I mean is crawl along at a snails pace that’s been covered in salt & left out to dry in the sun (watching too much ‘Buzzcocks) – it’s really a 512 minimum spec, recommended 1Gb…still not a lot of new machines issued with a gig – especially laptops…a growing market these days..so a lot of these will be slower when they ‘upgrade’ to Vista…real advancement then 🙄

[George Kern]

ive been running a the latest beta version of Vista, S, CTP (5728) as I have done beta testing for many companies because of my other line of work. Vista has its pros and cons from what I can see. It has certain quirks that SignLab did not seem to appreciate. Flexi did not have any apparent issues that jumped out at me. Corel X3 works great in it and I recently installed Photoshop CS3 beta and that seems to be working nicely as well. Larger file support options instead of just saving to .psb and .psd. All in all it looks like Vista has alot of potential. In its "out of the box" install state though, it looks like it wants to horde your system resources, so some tweaking is needed to be able to run your system @ an optimal rate for your production needs.

[Shane Drew]

I’m not upgrading anytime soon.

I have a good mate that is a microsoft trained techie bod that has been a betta tester, and he loves it, but admits it is not for everybody. Its best features are the stealth features where you can track other computer users foot prints, (ie check to see if the kids, or employees, have accessed some naughty sites etc) either on the network or single use machines, if you have admin access.

It is not bug free by any means either, according to him, and most software suppliers are being ‘encouraged’ by Microsoft to release Vista versions of their software. That means to me, that they expect problems running XP software somewhere down the line.

I’ll let everyone else be the betta testers for this one, and I’ll stick to XP for a while yet.

Cheers

[Alan Drury]

I’m with everybody else and sticking to XP. Even if I were prepared for the cost of Vista I don’t fancy the price (and pain) of the inevitable upgrade of most of my software especially as XP is so reliable at the moment. Another year at least for me.
Alan D

[Alan Wharton]

I think you will find you also have to upgrade your gfx card aswell as the system ram to run vista so its gunna cost you over £100 to upgrade your pc + the cost of vista ontop of that. Good thing about a new os coming out is win xp price will drop like a stone 😉

[George Zerbino]

Gerber’s Omega will NOT work on Vista, mainly due to certain drivers that require Microsoft certification, so don’t even try it!

A new release (version 2.6) due in April will make it work in Vista.

Regards,

GeoZ

[Mike Robson]

Think I’ll be leaving it for now.
Bound to be bugs initially. I’ll leave them to sort them out before I even consider upgrading.
Still makes me laugh when I see Bill Gates at the launch of Win2000, massive press conference, screen projected onto wall behind him, and what happens? The dreaded windows blue screen!!

[Martin Pearson]

Robert, as has been said above leave Vista alone for the time being, I would wait until about version 3 before they have most of the bugs sorted. Microsoft have a history of releasing operating systems before they are ready and vista is no exception.

I have been running it on a laptop for some time now, firstly RC1 and then RC2 which are both beta versions. You need a minimum of 512MB of ram to install it. In fact if you have less than 512MB you get a message on the screen that says there is insufficient memory and the install cancels itself. Microsoft recommend a gig to run it and the laptop I was running it on has 1 gig installed but even with that the system was struggling at times even though I haven’t really used it for anything that might push the system a bit.

It isn’t really anything special in my opinion, it has lots of fancy gadgets that you don’t need and just use up system resources. Microsoft have now changed a lot of their software to give it all a very similar look and it obviously all works together quite well but my overall impression of vista was that people who use it will just be that much more dependent on Microsoft.

[David Rogers]

quote Mike Robson:

Think I’ll be leaving it for now.
Bound to be bugs initially. I’ll leave them to sort them out before I even consider upgrading.
Still makes me laugh when I see Bill Gates at the launch of Win2000, massive press conference, screen projected onto wall behind him, and what happens? The dreaded windows blue screen!!

Stuff legends are made of…if only it wasn’t an advertising ploy.

It was a marketing stunt to get EVERYBODY talking about the new Windows operating system. And it worked – they still do!
In truth it was staged as the images on screen were actually a ‘Powerpoint’ presentation – not live images…but the world’s press went for it!

A fantastic example of how ‘negative marketing’ has a greater impact than the ‘real deal’.

Imagine if there was only two sign companies in the world and one ran an advert launching a new type of vehicle vinyl – and as the car is revealed it all fell off. Do you think you’d even remember the name of the competition from that point on…

[Shane Drew]

Yes David, you are right. Only the other day I was reading an article how Bill Gates has this rolling ‘gag’ that the blue screen of death will pop up at some time in a demo.

Personally I think this is a subliminal thing so we all get the impression that ‘he is not perfect’. Sort of a ‘I’m like you guys’ sorta thing. Hard to explain. Ok, I’m an idiot… but you know what I mean…. don’t you

As you’ve pointed out tho, he almost never does a live demo, and when he does, it is a slick one with absolutely no chance of a ‘real’ screen of death 😕 😕

[Stephen Morriss]

I suspect that Vista is a bloated version of XP so that we have to buy the latest greatest computer to run it.

When was the last time you had to go and make a cuppa when you did anything in photo shop.
I was using CAD a lot when 100mhz computers were first out, you could have a snooze if you did anything complicated never mind 3d stuff.

My current work computer is 2 years old and has a 2.66 ghz processor and 1.5 gig RAM, even on huge image files it get most things do within seconds so I’ve no intention of upgrading the hardware until it breaks.
But that’s no good for sales of computers is it.

So my response is don’t bother until the bugs are ironed out a little and/or you need a new computer

Steve

[Steve Morgan]

Some interesting information here, on the Telegraph web site, which includes a project to build a Vista spec computer.
The page link is very long so from:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ click on ‘digital life’ then ‘bootcamp’ then ‘archive’ on the menus that appear on the left of the page.
Apart from the Vista project there’s a mass of useful information here, and you get to read the news when you finish

Steve

[Nick Minall]

This may help with Steve’s link… Click me!

[autosign]

I’m not in any rush to get Vista especially as it is over £200. I tried one of the beta builds and it didn’t really blow me away.

Apparently a lot of the resources are taken up by Microsoft putting a lot of DRM stuff in aswell.

[Ade Ward]

Would this new vista software work on my sinclair spectrum +!!!
its the one with the tape machine..top of the range in the 80s.. not the rubber key model thats naff :lol1: :rofl:

Ade