which vinyl is suitable for surf boards?

[Chris Wool]

stickers dont stick to SEX WAX 😉

[Maelwys]

Thanks Chris.. yeah I figured that long ago lol.. as you know from the other forum I think we have this resolved now and have ordered some Oracal.. whereabouts in Cornwall are you?

Mel

[Chris Wool]

saltash.

i dont think there is any thing wrong with what you are using weedability is one thing but should still stick well even in the sea.

and as you said similar about the other makes you will probably still have a problem with orical.

i have done no end of stuff for boards but for new ones. once they have been waxed no stick to your stick

chris

[Maelwys]

Cool well I’m way down in Paul outside Mousehole nr Penzance.. I think there’s a certain amount of user error in that we let the kids put them on themselves..
I’m gonna try a complete de-wax with white spirit and try again.. I had a surf4thesoul logo on my board for 6 years and its still on.. but as you say.. mines on the bottom No wax 🙄
Do you know of anywhere that gives you an insight into the vinyls etc.. I’ve found so little information.. I sponsor 20+ surfers and bought the plotter to save on costs of having decals van logo’s etc made every year, and to produce some unique surf stickers for the guys.

Mel

[Chris Wool]

i am not being silly here but even the slightest trace of wax still left is a stick less disaster waiting to happen, however once on correctly can be waxed over.

dont be fooled by the water based glues on vinyl they are water proof when cured and can even be applied wet, the car you drive probably has a water based paint.

quite a nice design by the way.

chris

[graham stewart]

quote :

quite a nice design by the way.

chris

Where is the DESIGN??
Graham

[David Rowland]

hi there from north devon… i know the guys who do some of the board names from around here… all i can really say they are made using silk screening process onto tissue-type paper and then as the surfboard is being made, they ‘do something’ to get them to stay in the surfboard… how techni was that. No other ways as far as I know will actually last and work well

[Maelwys]

Yeah thanks Chris.. we do that for new boards.. they can also be inkjet printed on special tissue.. but these are for the kids we sponsor to add to their existing boards..
I think we’ve more or less nailed this down to the wax problems especially in light of I designed and fitted interiors for the Mastercraft ski boats many moons ago and the decals then were cut vinyl and stayed on the boats indefinately with no problems..
One Team rider has it cracked and his has stayed on for a month now and he says he cleaned the baord with white spirit and then T-cut before applying the decals.. gotta be the way to go .. thanks for the help and advice 🙂

Mel

[Maelwys]

The design was on another forum its basically a simple logo but here it is on the board

Mel

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[graham stewart]

Maelwys
Thanks for going to the trouble to show me, looks good.
Graham

[Robert Lambie]

quote Maelwys:

I’m gonna try a complete de-wax with white spirit and try again..

white spirit is not going to do it on its own. it does break down adhesive when left for a while but its not the best. like many chemicals it will also leave a residue that will prevent adhesion. so you will then need to completely wipe down the board after the white spirits with meths or isopropanol. Tar & Glue remover is much more aggressive than meths and better for the job, however, it maybe wise to check it on an old board in case it does anything to the board. even using tar and glue will require a second chemical to clean it down after. it maybe an idea to go onto grafityps website as they do a range of proper cleaning fluids also…
to be honest, if you have to go to all this bother to test them, i would make sure each sticker comes with directions of how to apply, because as you know, they will simply slap the sticker on and it will fail.

[Steve Underhill]

I would heat the board slightly to melt any wax and wipe with a dry cloth.
Then once you have done that, use meths or IPA, you could always supply these decals with a little test patch to see if they stick, if they don’t, more rubbing needed.
Brasso will work like T cut also to take a micro layer off the fibreglass, I also use Brasso for preparing edges of acrylic for flame polishing, and also for removing any scratches.

[Matt Hards]

I bought a new board a couple of months ago, a custard point 7’6". I had planned to do some small graphics on it, but ended up waxing it up straight away cos i couldnt wait to get on it. lol. Was thinking of de waxing it, but thought there would always now be an issue of vinyl sticking now the wax has been on there.
I also ride freestyle jetski in monster waves and in lakes, and my ski is covered in graphics, and never had a problem with vinyl failing, the only thing i have found is that if you put a graphic/sticker on and go straight in the wet stuff, it wont stay on long. If you apply it, heat it slightly, and then leave it at least a day or so before you take it out, stays on for ages, I have chrome and glitter blue cast, and suptac 7 year vinyl, and all stay on fine. have done for ages.

[Steve McAdie]

hi Maelwys

The board may have a wax mould release or a synthetic mould release used on it in manufacture. This could be the problem. The synthetic release is very non stick. Try cleaning area with acetone but be carefull acetone attacks GRP if left for to long so only a quick wipe.

steve

[Maelwys]

Thanks everyone, I’ve got some tremendous advice and information from you all over this and its very pleasing for a newbie to the whole thing to have this kind of help and advice.. many many thanks… we did do a good clean on one board and so far its stayed on and there’s been some hairy surf this weekend down here.. I’ll look into the suggested ways of cleaning so we can give a better understanding to the surfers we give (and hopefully sell) logo’s and stickers to

Many thanks again

Mel

[Steve Underhill]

belt sander is also good. :lol1:

[Harry Cleary]

went to see these massive waves yesterday, over 13 metres in height….biggest for many years I believe…..amazing to watch the surfers…feeling a bit windswept today though!….at times like this I agree with Billy Connolly, ‘3 million years to evolve out of the sea and now you want me to go back into it??????’ 😀 😀

http://www.ireland.com/

[Alistair Richards]

Hi Mel,

I’m from Padstow. I’ve had a sticker I made from Oracal 651 on my board for quite a while now with no problems. It’s all about making sure the board is nice and clean before app. As Robhas already said, white spirit is no good, it will clean the wax off well, but is oil based, so board will need to be cleaned afterwards with IPA :lol1:

Cheers Ali

[Maelwys]

Thanks Ali,
I’ve come across some acetone wipes.. which we’re going to try.. hopefully that will work then we can supply one with the stickers..
thanks again for all the advice and help

Mel

[Chris Wool]

Jethro says
stickers dont stick in camborn ooooon a wenesay 😉

[monty]

ive done lots of boards but the best method is to light sand the glass laey stick whatever on and then re glass, thats costly and time consuming but the safest way,i just airbrushed a whole bd and they guy re glassed over it to fully protect it, and yes traditionally they print onto tissue but now you can print onto a syrface – not paper but a thin type of material- im actually trying to source myself at the moment.hope this helps

[Maelwys]

Thanks Monty.. I think we’re almost there now with all the help we’ve had and we’ve had some good success when the boards are cleaned thoroughly and the decals applied and left to cure for 12 hours.

If you’re looking for material for printing logo’s etc for boards try Sea Base in Newquay.. they have most things, and what they don’t have they’ll certainly help you find.
I think its http://www.seabase.eu Good luck

Mel