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which drill
hello
Can anyone tell me what I should be paying for a decent cordless combi drill driver.
Is it good sense to get one that can do brick as well or am I better with a seperate machine for each use?
Jimmy.
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James I would spend as much as I could on a descent drill, a good investment would be this
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro … 6&ts=92206Not cheap but a great drill.
I usually when fitting use a couple of drills one on hammer and one for fixing screws etc.
Also worth considering an SDS Drill if you get to do a lot of fitting, I have one of these http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro … 9&ts=92668 a great investment.That aside I also have a DIY Bosch drill from B&Q 18v hammer about £130.00 and it have never let me down.
Hope this helps mate 😀
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Buy the best drills you can. £300 ish for a 24v sds cordless hammer drill, you can get better deals on the one you use on a driver.
Consider the speed of the driver – if you get a 18v one it may be too fast for removing tight screws – whereas a 12v can often cope better – sounds daft but from personal experience I always use a 12v drill for screwing (no cheap jokes!).
Whatever you choose look after your batteries, when they go you are generally cheaper replacing the lot!
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tks guys
Everyone’s got a dewalt and they aint cheep.
whatever way i’m looking at it i’m going to need 2 units to cover.
Gavin does that mean the 12v has a better torque than the 18v?
Jimmy
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we have bosch for our biggun and hitachi and makita smaller drills, happy with them all.
The torque isn’t always the issue. If the drill is too fast (they only have 2 speed settings) it’ll burr the head as you wont be able to get enough weight behind it to stop this happening. I definitely find the slower (12v) better. You in the perfect position to ask all the joiners/builders who come in their opinion and maybe try a few, but thats what I find best.
Hope that helps!
Gavin
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walls normally get the Hilti treatment…
Screwdrivering / General drilling is Dewalt or Ryobi but 18volt here, those extra volts really do work well for us. -
I use dewalt, and have a separate (or used to have till a scrote nicked it)
dewalt driver, I replaced the driver with the new makita hammer driver, cheaper than the dewalt equivalent but I dont think as good.The hammer action dewalt driver (not drill) is really the dogs, if you have a local supplier get them to demo it. around a ton without battery last time I checked.
Peter
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ive tried loads… my preference is dewalt but we have lots of bosch too…
go for two guns rather than one combi. get the big 24v dewalt for masonary and the small dewalt with no hammer action for general screwing… i use a dewalt power/electrical drill for drilling/fabrication etc
yes cordless will do it but your only burning out the drill, lowering life of batteries and the drilling is far slower so labouring. false economy…
as i said we have bosch tools too but i prefer the dewalt.
our bosch guns are combi, have 14v and 18v good drills but using them for long periods kills your arm as they are heavy when you have hundreds of screws to tighten. 😕 😀 -
If you want a quality piece of kit – in the range of ‘high quality’ but not ‘pro/trade’ the Ryobi do some nice kit.
Ryobi also make the B&Q ‘pro’ & ‘MacAlister’ series…and are often on special offer.
I’ve been using my 18v hammer drill for a couple of years now – beats your average hitachi or bosch easily. £90 ish…but get a selection ie. 3 or 4 batteries to keep you going all day if drilling hard stone.
They also do a 24v 3 speed hammer (about £100) & a big 24v SDS.
It’s sometimes better just to spend money on a mains SDS & get a generator if a lot of remote fittings will be done.
Dave
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Metabo…. tools for men !!!
lol, i bought my two metabo cordless drills about 11 -12 yrs ago, one is hammer / drill, tothers is a drill / screwdriver, other than replacing the chuck twice on one (the hammer) i’ve never had any probs, and all the 6-7 batteries i’ve collected, are as good as new, almost !
the 9.6v batteries, whilst not big by todays standards, are fairly powerful, and are interhcnageable tween my cordless sander too, i also have a random orbital disc sander by metabo, excellent kit.
i loked at a new one a few weks back, sds/drill with a free screwdriver/drill in a promotion, was about £300 (the free one was about 180). awsome peice of kit.
i used to sell power tools (within a large builders merchants) on and off for about 5yrs, metabo and elu were by far the best tools out there, dewalt aint bad either. wouldn’t touch anything else (other than my hitachi mains drill..freebie !).
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quote Gavin MacMillan:Buy the best drills you can…….Consider the speed of the driver – if you get a 18v one it may be too fast for removing tight screws – whereas a 12v can often cope better – sounds daft but from personal experience ….
Seriously – any quality driver will had at least two speeds AND be variable speed on the trigger. More volts does not = more speed, it’s to do with motor gearing and the extra volts allows you to drive a higher wattage(more powerful) motor – giving greater torque across the entire speed range.
On the whole I’ve found most 12 or 14.4v drills / drivers to be a bit ‘weedy’ – OK for a backup, with a few exceptions like Hilti. As for removing tight screws, I’d say it’s often more down to technique and the condition of the screwhead & bit than choice of driver.
Well, that’s my take on it!
Dave
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quote Hugh Potter:the 9.6v batteries, whilst not big by todays standards, are fairly powerful
hugh, i have two bosch 9.6v guns in our tool store. i keep them there for a keep sake mate. your quicker using a hand screw driver. 😉 :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
just pulling your leg mate… 😉 :lol1:
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I have to jump on the Ryobi bandwagon here. I have used them alongside dewalt and found them longer lasting with more torque. The price and variety of accessories in the ONE+ system is also a real bonus. Protrade do some great deals on combination sets and the 18V jigsaw and circular saws really do work!
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BLACK & DECKER
own DE-WALT, and a lot of other brands, I think ELU were Incorporated with dewalt,
its like plotters, you pay for the best you can afford, so for £x you will get similar quality.
If you use the kit daily, then you need long lasting kit, with a good guarantee, and back up.
So any reputable make, within your budget is the way to go.Peter
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quote Robert Lambie:quote Hugh Potter:the 9.6v batteries, whilst not big by todays standards, are fairly powerful
hugh, i have two bosch 9.6v guns in our tool store. i keep them there for a keep sake mate. your quicker using a hand screw driver. 😉 :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
just pulling your leg mate… 😉 :lol1:
lol, i know what ya mean, they’re old technology now, but, they work, the hammer will stick a 14mm masonry bit into most things (but the 1/2" keyless chucks don’t like it much !), and if i need something heavier, the hitachi hammer (mains) does it ok, though i did get it smokin nicely when drilling 22mm holes for the rawlbolts holding the pavilion panner poles on!!
keep meaning to get another though.
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If you’ve got the budget go for HILTI 36 volts of raw power 😮
Have a bosch for outside drilling/screwing and a makita 7.2 volt ion battery fella for workshop assembly and the like -
Think about the rechargeable battery system. Think about what other useful tools you might need / come in hand in the future.
I personally have the dewalt 18v system. I have a drill driver which is good for most general drilling / fixing, 18v SDS for putting in anchor bolts, an impact driver ( A must for fixing onsite ! ) and a rechargeable angle grinder which is very useful for dealing with wheel clamps ! j/k 😀
The point I’m making is that all these tools run off the same batteries. If one goes flat onsite I just rob another battery of a different tool !
There is nothing worse than having to charge up 3 or 4 different types of battery the night before !
One final point is once you have have a dozen batteries and a charger you can often buy the tool bodies on there own for extremely reasonable prices ! -
We use nothing but RYOBI nowadays, use to use Pansonic and Delwalt but have found the Ryobi every bit as good for a fraction of the cost, each van is fitted with a 6 piece cordless combi kit including, Chop Saw, nearly Saw, Torch, Drill Driver and Hammer Drill, Jig Saw, all in one box for around £350.00 + Vat. All have to One+ batteries 3 per box and have never run out of power, 30 Min to charge batteries,
you can buy a good 18v hammer and driver kit for around £90 in B&Q, it will do nearly anything you need to be done. If you are doing a lot of masonry drilling then buy yourself and masonry+ drill, 240 or 110v, Any cordless drill has limitations, drilling a lot of holes in a solid stone wall is one of them. :lol1:
Ian
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Sorry but theres no way on earth I’d swap my Dewalt for Ryobi LoL !
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I’m a chippy by day, and use my drill everyday. It’s a Milwaukee, and it really is the best drill i’ve ever tried/used. Good solid build and plenty of torque. I’d also reccomend an SDS drill for the masonry drilling. I’ve got two, a Milwaukee with rotary stop for all my harder work, and a cheap Ryobi for the lighter stuff. I’m not really a big fan of Ryobi, but this drill was only cheap, it’s light and it hasn’t let me down yet. I do really look after my stuff though. Can’t really comment on any DeWalt stuff, never used to be a fan, but have just bought a new planer and sliding mitre saw and am very pleased with both.
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I use Snap on and they serve me very well. Expensive but worth it.
Peter
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tks everyone 🙂
First thing I’m going to do after reading this thread and another one about running plotters from inverters and generators is learn once and for all the difference between volts, watts, and amps.
I think I’m tempted to go the ryobi one+ route at this stage regarding my drill. I’m mostly a one man band doing everything so its not like I’m a full time fitter needing the best of the best. The ryobi stuff is an OK price and I like the idea of tools using the same battery.
If I come across something heavy duty I have a corded Bosch hammer thing to fall back on.
Jimmy.
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hey guys just a note on the Ryobi drills! they are absolutly terrible ive have 2 18V drills burn out in less than 7 or 8 months with average work and also a 24v sds drill which was always VERY slow at drillin holes and now after about a year it wont work at all! They are extremely heavy and made with cheap internals!!!
I was wondering if anyone has any comments on the Panasonic 14.4V Li-Ion SDS as it looks like a good all rounder! there seems to be 2 different capaicties available – 3.0Ah and 3.3 Ah which is very good!
Ryan
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I was wondering if anyone has any comments on the Panasonic 14.4V Li-Ion SDS as it looks like a good all rounder! there seems to be 2 different capaicties available – 3.0Ah and 3.3 Ah which is very good
I bought the panasonic 14v drill I think it cost about £180.00 with 2 batteries 3.5Ah. I think it is the best drill I have had, has loads of power and batteries last for along time. weight it about 1.5kg so is very light compared to dewalt and makita.
I would spend the extra insted of buying a cheap tool, It will last longer and do more work when you need it.
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since the last post i mad eon this thread (in 2007!) i’ve bought a pair of cheap ryobi combi drills for simple drill driving on the bench and, as i got a better deal then the metabo shop would offer, i bought a top of the range panasonic 28.8v sds, just had to go and get one, had wrecked 4 masonry bits and my batteries were dying quick while drilling about 40 holes in an old facia, climbed down the ladder and came back 30mins later with the panasonic, i drilled 30 holes in less time than it took to drill the first 10! would thoroughly recommend it.
on one battery i auger drilled sixty 8mm holes through rail sleepers, then drove sixty 300mm x 12mm timber connecting screws through 9" of timber and into a post behind, only on the last few did it begin to think about being tired!
Hugh
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Sounds like a real good peice of kit! i just wondered as i heard the newer drills were built in china now and that they werent as good but i refused to belive this lol but i know this is the case with makita and ive heard a few people complaining about different issues with the new makitas!
Ryan
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i used to swear by dewalt,
unfortunately they are only Black and deker nowadaysPeter
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I know most joiners around here use nothin but the old panasonic 14.4v 3.5Ah drivers and they all swear by them! i dont know anyone whos ever had a problem with them. i just wonder are the newer li ion ones built to the same standard
Ryan
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Just to throw my 2 pennies worth in…. I bought one of these:-
http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?a … ue#reviews
Now it was cheap, and only bought by sort of accident (left my Black and Decker at home and needed a drill)
It outperforms my £150.00 B&D, by a mile!!!!
Also dont forget, your drill is only as good as the bits that you put into it!! -
Its Bosch in my stable, I cant complain, have a screw driver / small drill and an 24V SDS beast for the heavy work. the batteries are interchangeable with most other Bosch tools, Jigsaw, Skill saw, its a great little kit. don’t go anywhere without it. i even have in the van when going to mass on Sunday.
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HI Guys, Coming from the Aberdeen ( The Granite City) a good masoanary drill and bits is very important.
I use a Bosch GBH 24v SDS and yes the GBH does stand for Grievous Building Harm. 😀 If i have to drill a large quantity of holes into granite and access to power is not an issue i use the Dewalt SDS D25112.
For my drill bits i use either Bosch or Macallister.
When It comes to my screwgun i use a Dewalt 18v. Even though it is a little heavier than most it gets the job done.Steve
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