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whats everyones thoughts on the new number plates law?
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I think it was AC testing the Cobra at Over 180mph. that caused the mot to impose the laws for safety.
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Well thats me not buying an AC Cobra then, ill just spend my 250k on beer and women.
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quote Martin Oxenham:I think it was AC testing the Cobra at Over 180mph. that caused the mot to impose the laws for safety.must have been a shelby then, ac never whent that fast 😉
peter
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:thumbsup: You’re a stickler for details Peter :lol1:
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Joint effort. Carrol Shelby said the name Cobra came to him in a dream.
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quote Martin Oxenham:Joint effort. Harold Shelby said the name Cobra came to him in a dream.
Apparently so did Carol Shelby.
Shelby was only a tuner to AC, just as Cooper was to Mini.
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Found this in a search, don’t know how accurate it is. "In 1965 a man with a 427 AC Shelby Cobra was spotted doing approx 160 MPH on the M1 (A1/M) and no police vehicle at the time could chase or stop it."
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Harold …Harold Who the F**k is Harold
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Can just imagine Chubby singing that line
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quote Phill::thumbsup: You’re a stickler for details Peter :lol1:
Not only a stickler for detail, but done drove the car, ( just trying to dig out my old videos) are you jealous?
How come this topic now runs to so many pages?
Peter
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Yes :lol1:
But were the number plates legal Peter?Steve
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quote Peter Normington:quote Phill::thumbsup: You’re a stickler for details Peter :lol1:
Not only a stickler for detail, but done drove the car, ( just trying to dig out my old videos) are you jealous?
How come this topic now runs to so many pages?
Peter
So the 70mph limit and Numberplate restrictions are ultimately your fault? :lol1:
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Anyway to all us Signmakers, What happens when the government says you can’t supply a shop with a sign unless its got planning permission or that Signwriting on a van is a distraction to other road users.
A few weeks ago a young man was stopped by Police for displaying a St. George flag on the parcel shelf of his car and told to remove it, This was deemed as offensive to foreigners, yet if you go abroad then you must display a country mark.
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quote Martin Oxenham:Anyway to all us Signmakers, What happens when the government says you can’t supply a shop with a sign unless its got planning permission or that Signwriting on a van is a distraction to other road users.
A few weeks ago a young man was stopped by Police for displaying a St. George flag on the parcel shelf of his car and told to remove it, This was deemed as offensive to foreigners, yet if you go abroad then you must display a country mark.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED !Sell it s a "Showsign" lol.
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quote Paul Humble:quote Peter Normington:quote Phill::thumbsup: You’re a stickler for details Peter :lol1:
Not only a stickler for detail, but done drove the car, ( just trying to dig out my old videos) are you jealous?
How come this topic now runs to so many pages?
Peter
So the 70mph limit and Numberplate restrictions are ultimately your fault? :lol1:
quote Steve McAdie:Yes :lol1:
But were the number plates legal Peter?Steve
Everything is my fault, I was lucky enough to drive the shelby that set the record for the fastest production car in the world, (or so i was told)at the time.
I delivered it for Quentin Wilson to do an article for Top gear
It belonged to one of my customers…
Happy days….Peter
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quote Chris Wool:and i thought it was the fuel shortage back then now where are my coupons.I’m sure that the 70 limit was in place prior Chris. A general 50 limit was introduced to combat the fuel shortage, but it fairly soon went back to 70.
I was in the motor trade at the time so we got a book of coupons for every car in stock. Had a stack about a foot high. Still got them somewhere. 😀
Now that this thread has been truly hijacked, do we think some green nutter politician (yes, them again) might be thinking that fuel rationing would be a good idea for combating "climate change"? I wouldn’t put anything past them.
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I don’t condone breaking the law, I often do, probably everyday in the morning and evening especially 😉 If I’m caught, it’s a ‘fair cop’ and I don’t complain.
However, there are occasions when we all make mistakes, I often do, especially if I’m driving in an unfamiliar area. Many would say I should know better, but a mistake is a mistake. With speed cameras, there’s little or no discretion – break the law by mistake and it’s tough luck.
I absolutely abhor this Government so my view is tainted. The ‘do as I say not as I do’ culture of many Ministers annoys me intensely. Double standards, deceit, spin and most of all GREED sets a good example for the young to follow- NOT. The sad thing is, there seems little alternative so I haven’t voted for a few years.
Why did we invade Iraq? Was it to rid the world of weapons of mass destruction? Was it rid the world of a tyrant Saddam? Was it to make the world a safer place? Was it make life better for the Iraqis? O f course that’s what GWB & Tony Bliar wanted us to believe. If this is true, why haven’t ‘we’ sorted out Zimbabwe?
We all know what the real reason was, it’s simple = GREED/Oil. Those who have too much wanted more.
🙄 Sits back & waits for the flac :lol1:
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The common sense approach has been well and truly removed from Policing John as you obviously know.
A few months ago I was stopped for speeding on the Motorway by a Traffic Officer, I had a showplate on the car which was perfectly readable but not quite legal (ill not go into why).
The officer was a perfect example of what a Policeman SHOULD be like, instead of shouting and bawling he simply explained to me the dangers of the road that I was exceeding the limit on and although I still got done for the offence I went away learning a little more than I would have if a Notice of intended Prosecution letter had dropped through the door from a faceless person sat in an office looking at camera footage.
The officer also told me that I really should change the plate but he left it at that, only for a VOSA camera to snap me later in the day on the way home and give me a £30 fine.
It wasnt a great day.
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Police are ‘targetted’ these days. They have to hit a certain quota or they basically lose their jobs. Targeting, has in many respects, removed the power of discretion most would prefer to use.
The use of discretion by the police gained them far more respect from the public than giving them a trip to court.
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My Brother in law is a transport cop and he has been in the sh!t for not making enough arrests. The fact that there was no one in need of arresting is irrelevant these days as all forces are given targets to reach, hence we have children arrested for trivial offenses.
A few examples of serious crimes solved by the police, now that speeding cameras have freed up their time.
In one example, a Cheshire man was cautioned for being "in possession of an egg with intent to throw".
A child in Kent, who removed a slice of cucumber from a sandwich and threw it at another youngster, was arrested because the other child’s parents claimed it was an assault.
A woman in the West Midlands was arrested on her wedding day for criminal damage to a car park barrier when her foot slipped on her accelerator pedal.
A 70-year-old Cheshire pensioner, who had never been in trouble with the law before, was arrested for criminal damage after cutting back a neighbour’s conifers too vigorously.
In another case, two Manchester children were arrested under firearms laws for being in possession of a plastic toy pistol.
Steve
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quote Martin Oxenham:A few weeks ago a young man was stopped by Police for displaying a St. George flag on the parcel shelf of his car and told to remove it, This was deemed as offensive to foreigners, yet if you go abroad then you must display a country mark.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED !I think if the car driver had pushed it the police would not have been able to do anything about it, it’s not illegal so they couldn’t enforce it.
Steve
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quote Steve McAdie:My Brother in law is a transport cop and he has been in the sh!t for not making enough arrests. The fact that there was no one in need of arresting is irrelevant these days as all forces are given targets to reach, hence we have children arrested for trivial offenses.
A few examples of serious crimes solved by the police, now that speeding cameras have freed up their time.
In one example, a Cheshire man was cautioned for being “in possession of an egg with intent to throw”.
A child in Kent, who removed a slice of cucumber from a sandwich and threw it at another youngster, was arrested because the other child’s parents claimed it was an assault.
A woman in the West Midlands was arrested on her wedding day for criminal damage to a car park barrier when her foot slipped on her accelerator pedal.
A 70-year-old Cheshire pensioner, who had never been in trouble with the law before, was arrested for criminal damage after cutting back a neighbour’s conifers too vigorously.
In another case, two Manchester children were arrested under firearms laws for being in possession of a plastic toy pistol.
Steve
Steve Mate, all these cases are tabloid rubbish,
lets hear the other side of the story and then you may have a case.
Just to elaborate, the pensioner you mentioned, may well have chopped a mature tree down, and caused criminal damage to his neighbours property.the police on the ground just dont do this sort of thing,
even to reach their figuresAny way arrests dont count, its successful prosecutions that do, and again that nowt to do with the police, cps is the ones who decide
Peter
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Well here’s a true story.
Painter fined for smoking in his van.
Here’s the link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7524526.stm
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quote Peter Normington:quote Steve McAdie:Any way arrests dont count, its successful prosecutions that do, and again that nowt to do with the police, cps is the ones who decide
Peter
No, but perfectly innocent people are photographed, fingerprinted and have their DNA taken. All this is recorded,
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John, its still tabloid stuff, he was breaking the law, he wasnt arrested though, just given a fixed penalty.
Fortunatley in this country even a fixed panalty can be appealed, so if you are caught red handed so to speak, you can still contest the penalty.
The police in this country actually need commending, not critisiced by the press for the silliest things, when they are doing their job, the police dont make the laws, just try to enforce them.And BTW it wasnt the police who issued the ticket for smoking in his van, it was a councilPeter
Peter
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quote John Cooper:quote Peter Normington:quote Steve McAdie:Any way arrests dont count, its successful prosecutions that do, and again that nowt to do with the police, cps is the ones who decide
Peter
No, but perfectly innocent people are photographed, fingerprinted and have their DNA taken. All this is recorded,
I agree john, but untill a photograph, prints and DNA are taken, how else do the police know someone is innocent?
Peter
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Peter, as I said in an earlier post, my views are somewhat tainted with my total distrust of Government Ministers. This was further compounded when I recently discovered that our local council are one of many that sell our personal information to 3rd parties for marketing purposes.
A few weeks ago, we had a letter from The Office of National Statistics who were conducting a survey – we’d been selected at random.
A lady called and started asking very personal information and when she handed us the questionnaire for our signatures, I apologized and tore them up.
The lady conducting the survey was very understanding but I did feel guilty that I’d wasted her time.
I used to have the same views as you Peter until a couple of years ago. If I was confident that information gained as a result of an arrest was going to be used ONLY for the purposes of solving crimes, I’d not have an issue.
John
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quote Peter Normington:Just to elaborate, the pensioner you mentioned, may well have chopped a mature tree down, and caused criminal damage to his neighbours property.Peter
Peter, the pensior quoted chopped a neighbour’s tree, it doesn’t matter how old the tree was. The act of interfering with another’s property is enough.
quote Peter Normington:I agree john, but untill a photograph, prints and DNA are taken, how else do the police know someone is innocent?Peter
That’s not quite how it goes, people are P,P and DNA’d for the purposes of identification.
It’s the police’s job to satisfy the CPS that sufficient evidence exists to substantiate a charge and that there is enough of it to ensure a successful prosecution. It’s down to a court to decide who is innocent not the police -
quote :the police on the ground just dont do this sort of thing,
even to reach their figuresArticle from The Times
Police spent weeks doing door-to-door investigations to turn a single theft into 542 different cases to bolster crime-fighting targets, a national conference was told yesterday.
The operation began after a child was accused of keeping £700 raised for Comic Relief through sponsorship. PC Simon Reed told the Police Federation’s annual conference that officers were sent to talk to every person who had sponsored the child.
Mr Reed, who is a senior official of the federation, said that the case was dealt with by an English force but he would not go into further details. “This is a real case,” he said. “To bump up the targets they spent two weeks on door-to-door inquiries sending community safety officers to get 542 crimes. Five hundred is better than one.”
The thing is this is not the Police fault it is the performance/statistics criteria that they have to meet, enforced on them by the government instead of being left to get on with the job.
Well Peter I have shown you my proof that this does happen show me your proof it doesn’t. 😉
Steve
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