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  • what supplier do you recommend for avery ezy?

    Posted by John Cornfield on August 22, 2004 at 2:44 pm

    Hi,

    what’s the best price anyone has found for this and what supplier do you recommend?

    Cheers

    John

    John Childs replied 19 years, 9 months ago 7 Members · 16 Replies
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  • Chris Wool

    Member
    August 22, 2004 at 3:49 pm

    hi try spandex they are chasing business at present judging by the way they were dealing with me the other day.

    chris

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    August 22, 2004 at 4:42 pm

    i didnt know spandex done it chris.. i learn something everyday lol
    i have heard them being a bit cut throat lately.. maybe realising they are not the only supplier on the go now 🙄

    cox supply it also john, nearest branch to you is cumbernauld.

  • Chris Wool

    Member
    August 22, 2004 at 4:45 pm

    dont know for sure but they seem to do nearly all avery stuff.

    chris

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    August 22, 2004 at 4:54 pm

    forgot to mention, i think its about £18 a metre which in my opinion is a joke. does this mean the equivelant laminate is £18?
    obviously if its a short term wrap you will be fine on the laminate but why go to all that expence every single job just so that the fitter gets a bit of an easier time.
    i used control tac from 3M and wrapped hundreds of telewest vans with it.
    that is based on the same idea as the avery & as far as i know many people had nothing but bother with it around the country fiiting the same stuff…
    i never had any problems at all with it & did like the feal of the vinyl..
    but doesnt mean at a later stage my stuff didnt pop-out too… 😕

  • James kelly

    Member
    August 23, 2004 at 7:31 am

    From what I gather, the glue has channels to let the air out easier when applying and the glue then flattens out when pressure is applied with a squeegee. If that’s the case, then if it is laminated, surely the glue would be flattened out!

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    August 23, 2004 at 8:49 am

    james, good point, i had thought about it like that. but it maybe a mixture of friction/heat pressure that flattens the glue. rollers just apply pressure.
    (i know where your coming from though, & ide think the same).

    when i saw the demo at sign uk i was positive i was told the vinyl was perforated with tiny pin-holes. i learned i was wrong from a post here that it is infact tiny chanels in the glue like you said. this being the case the same way 3M controltac came on the market as bubble free vinyl.
    like i said, this then was pulled from promotion. maybe avery have alterered the adhesion but based on the same idea, i dont know. “im guessing” time will tell..

    i used some avery 800 (i think it was) on friday, two large trucks. it applied pretty easily but there seemed to be a resistance to stretch into shallow door folds. was annoying to say the least. in the end i slit it.

  • Simon Bingham

    Member
    August 23, 2004 at 5:58 pm

    We have been using Avery 1005 easy apply

    Spandex the place at the moment for best price, about £15 per mtr (before you apply pressure!)

    Great vinyl to work with, very forgiving, and prints on the Elan really well.

    Make sure you get the temperature right when applying, a laser thermometer comes in handy.

    Haven’t needed to laminate yet, I think we were advised to use a liquid laminate if we needed to – but don’t quote me on that.

    Avery do a course which I might send a couple of guys on, other than that practice, practice and then practice!

    Oh and there are no perforations, just a honeycomb pattern in the adhesive to disperse the air – and it works.

  • John Cornfield

    Member
    August 23, 2004 at 8:37 pm

    Excuse my thick skull. Is this price per linear or square metre?

    So what would you say is best price for a 1520x50m roll?

  • John Cornfield

    Member
    August 23, 2004 at 8:41 pm

    Anyone running EZ through a cadet or grenadier?

  • Simon Bingham

    Member
    August 23, 2004 at 9:23 pm

    Price is per linear meter

    Works out at about £700 + VAT per roll

  • John Cornfield

    Member
    August 23, 2004 at 9:44 pm

    Jesus that is steep I can get it a lot less and i am happy to supply it to UKsignboard members but will post the details in the appropriate forum.

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    Cheers

    John

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    August 23, 2004 at 9:54 pm

    afraid we already got a group supplier for vinyl mate :lol1:
    thanks anway.. 😉

    i feel its over priced and over rated anyway.. thats just my personal veiw.
    it normaly takes around a year for new products like this to have problems surface. (thats if there is actualy one to surface)

    i dont know much about liquid lams but read and take note of many of rodneys posts & his finds. that being he doesnt rate them very high..
    for vehicles ide say a vinyl lamination is a must on vehicles. long term that is.. e.g. 12 months plus..

  • Rebecca

    Member
    August 23, 2004 at 10:40 pm

    Hi there

    We run avery easy apply through our JV3, and then over laminate with a sericol varnish.

    We have battled the price with A&P and still pay about £650 for 1370mm x 50metre roll.

    We were quoted on two 1005 vinyls, one much cheaper than this price, I think there is a 1005 without the easy apply which is much cheaper but i will have to check the details at work.

    ‘Sema4’ – one of my guys went on the avery course, found it really helpful.

    Rebecca

  • John Childs

    Member
    August 24, 2004 at 12:53 am

    Robert,

    Early this year Telewest had a couple of sample kits made in Avery and the cost of the kit came to less than they pay for the Controltac variety. We fitted one here and were pleased with how much easier it was to apply. The other kit was applied by whoever fits their vans in Birmingham and they said they did not like it and so Telewest continue to supply Controltac.

    We weren’t totally disappointed as, being more difficult, some of our competitors can’t put the Controltac on properly and had to give it up leaving us to finish the batch on our own. 😀

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    August 24, 2004 at 1:25 am

    do you think it is actualy easier to apply or just easier to lift and re-apply if not down first time john?

  • John Childs

    Member
    August 24, 2004 at 12:01 pm

    Rob……

    I’ve had a word with the lad that fitted it and he say’s that it was a combination of things.

    He liked the way that any stray bubbles could be lost easier.

    He didn’t have to spend so much time checking and re-checking correct positioning knowing that if he didn’t get it quite right first time he could just pull it back and have another go.

    More subjectively, he preferred the feel of the Avery and felt that he could do more with it.

    Both the fitter and myself are of the opinion that, once they had done a few, they could complete a Vivaro in something like 70% of the time that it takes with Controltac. That’s the difference between them doing five vans a day each instead of the four they acheived.

    Also consider that the Vivaro is a dead easy van. I think that the time saving would be much greater on something like a Scudo.

    Obviously, as Telewest supply the kits, it doesn’t matter here but if I was quoting to supply and fit I would need to balance the more expensive material against the labour saving in each case.

    The only thing we were not sure about is that, as the initial tack of the Avery is not great, whether it would stay stuck into the body swages. Of course, Avery say it will, and that the bond increases as the adhesive cures. I have no reason to doubt them, but I would like to see one after a time in service. Again it wouldn’t matter with Telewest as they supply the kits so there can be no comebacks on us but, if I was supplying as well, then I’d stick with the proven Controltac purely because the contract is so large that any problems would be too expensive to rectify. I would want to practice on a one-off local van before commiting myself to a job like that.

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