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What is the general material to use for roll-ups?
Hi, I’ve had a wee search through but am still a bit confused, easily done unfortunately.
What is the general material to use for roll-ups? We have had some in from supplier with just banner. I’ve seen some on banner curl at the edge is left up for long periods of time, have also seen them on ‘stoplight’? and they curl also if left up.
I was just about to print a few for next week on blockout banner as I thought the 3ply thing may help with curling but then it may be to thick at 500+ microns. I would also be happier getting a material that is 915mm as it’s a bit of a waste using 1370banner for an 800mm wide unit. Any help suggestions and advice appreciated!
Gavin
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22 Replies
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We use stoplite.
It will curl a bit on the edges, but so will anything. They generally tend to be curled a bit straight after putting up, but straighten out over time – obviously, the longer they’ve been rolled, the longer they need to straighten.Also, you can reduce the curling by making sure both edges are right up into the clamp at the top – sometimes you’ll find that one end is in further than the other.
The 500+micron will be too thick I think. The stoplite we use for roller banners is only 125. we couldn’t use the 300 micron pop-up stoplite as it wouldn’t bend enough to go around the roller (your media might) and I think it would be too thick to fit the whole thing in the mechanism.
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don’t use banner materials at all… they are a waste of time…
there are a few good polyester film products out there that i have tried and tested. Kentmere, something similar from Hexis etc etc i believe kentmere have an improved version of theirs with a gloss face now but i have yet to try that.
the best priced and finish i found came from the relatively new product for roll ups by europoint called Hydrosol. it has a gloss face and matt grey back to prevent shadows. doesn’t curl and prints very well, giving a nice gloss finish. -
Thanks, for the replies.
Rob, do you laminate hydrosol or is fine as is?
G
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ive never laminated a roll-up yet… but lots do. ide charge it as an extra if asked/offered…
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Ok, i’m going to get some of this stuff in.
Out of interest, can it be used for pop-ups as well? We have never made one in house before but I don’t see why not, possibly need laminated for this though?
Thanks
Gavin
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yeh pop-ups using same stuff… you need self adhesive magnetic strip for top and bottom. you can by this from europoint and anchor magnets. reason i know europoint do it too is because i bought some from europoint last week for first time.
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We use Opaljet 125 for "roll-ups" and Opaljet 300 for "pop-ups". We always laminate with a sand or deep matt crystal laminate.
We used to print these on our Solvent, however, we sell so many now we added a HP5500 just for these.
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Metamark have an excellent roll-up material that prints very well and does not curl.
Peter
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i have always used kentmears solvent pull up material good to very good print quality and does not curl no laminating required.
i thought i would try the image perfect blockout rol up. a lot cheaper and just done some test prints, and i am well impressed as long as the colours dont change as it dries out.
i appears to be a similar mylar type backing so should stay flat.i saw the pull ups at the show that were done on the hydrosol and was not impressed with the look at all.
chris
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let us know if the colours remain good…..cheers
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Been printing with excellent results on proper roller-blind materials, not digital media.
Either ‘fabric’ (100% polyester) or ‘ban-light’ – which is very similar to block out banner (white fabric one side) and can get the colours quite intense if needs be.As these materials are specifically designed to roll up & hang without curling it’s been a total success – unlike the ‘canvas’ style media 🙄
Might be an idea to try out a sample from a local blind manufacturer.
Presently using full solvent & a slightly tweaked ‘vinyl’ profile.
Dave
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Hi Gavin,
What are you printing with ?
I only ask as I had some teething problems with Hydrosol, but once tweaked it prints perfectly.
Also, avoid putting it on the take up roll. and the inks stays wet longer and I’ve ruined a couple of prints .
Cheers
Adam -
We got some hydrosol from Amari, prints very good.
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Cheers guys, loads of good stuff!
Will be printing with the versacamm, I’ll let you know how they go, should be printing today or tomorrow.G
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The Versacamm prints lovely on Hydrosol but definately needs laminating as the print just sits on the super glossy surface.
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quote :definately needs laminating
Second opinions? I was hoping from the advice above that this would not be the case?
G
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Normally we don’t laminate the banners we make, but it really depends on the needs of the customer. Most of them aren’t using the banners on regular basis.
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I agree about laminating if the customer intends to use it repeatedly.
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Just thought I’d post an update. The hydrosol was a joy to work with, the print is fantastic and it trims really nice, I put these into ‘smart roll-ups’ by signwaves and am delighted with the finished product.
They are fine not laminated the ecosol inks seem fine on the tests I did on the bleed areas that I trimmed, lamination would be over kill unless needed on a specific job.
Cheers to all for the help and advice on this and to Rob for the heads up on the material.
Ta
G
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Gavin,
I have been asked by my supplier of Kentmare Opaljet to try the Hydrosol material.
Can you let me know what what profile you use for the Hydrosol as well as temperatures.
Any issues I need to be aware of.
Many thanks,
Neil
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the europoint stuff is hydrosol i think? I think we just run a vinyl profile on it. works a treat…
we dont laminate roll up stands unless the customer specifically asks for them to be laminated.
We had a customer come back to us yesterday to change 3 double sided roll-up stand adverts. the stands have been continually used for the past 6 months and the media/prints were perfect. no problems at all and none of them were laminated.
in fact the top rails were damaged a little due to them letting go "by accident" and they have recoiled the media very fast. this has happend a few time by the look of them but still, no damage to the unlaminated prints. -
Robert,
What sort of ink / printer are you using. I use a Versacamm with the Roland MAX inks. They work well with the Kentemare material I am using at the moment (printing 2 while we speak). However as it is a coated material it can get dameged so I always laminate with deep crystal and the customers are always happy. We have done 400 or so on the Kentmare material, it is just that my supplier is suggesting I try the Hydrosol material.
Thanks,
Neil Fox
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