what do you think about this legislation on old signage?

[Robert Lambie]

well this suits me because i hate taking the old signs away and having to dispose of them and we not expected to charge for it!! yet to dump it we have to pay…. 🙄

[Phill Fenton]

:lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

It’s a joke surely 😮

😕 😕

Apparently not – but am I surprised? Not really – another example of the bureaucratic malaise that has gripped this country (H&S being a perfect example).

We need to do something to free ourselves from all these legislators that are overburdening us with worthless pap

(hot) (hot)

(Hope you aren’t disappointed with the mildness of my response Kevin 😉 )

[Kevin Flowers]

Rob
problem is this also covers waste from when you concrete a set of posts in or packaging from your acrylic panels etc. Its not mega expensive but it is yet another expense. The problem is that it as not been widely advertised, i only found out about it from my steel fabricators who got stopped returning from a job in London. They where warned if they was caught again with no permit they would be fined but they was handed the application forms there & then.

Kev

[Phill Fenton]

I can just see the conversation taking place between the typical signmaker and shopkeeper at the next install:-

Shopkeeper :- Lovely sign I’m really pleased with it – but aren’t you going to take the old sign away?

Signmaker:- Well you see Guv, I would, but I can’t, you see. Seing as how I’m not a registered waste carrier (chews gum slowly)

Shopkeeper:- Oh – but I had assumed that you would automatically clean up your mess when you had finished?

Signmaker:- yeah .. but technically speaking, it’s not my mess guv, you see (technically speaking) it’s your mess, and I’m not allowed to transport it (chews gum a bit more rapidly)

Shopkeeper:- So what am I supposed to do with the old sign then?

Signmaker:- (Chewing gum at an alarming rate and beginning to panic a bit) – wot about we just chuck it over the fence 😕

[Robert Lambie]

:lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: Phill

i see what you mean now kev and agree with you… just another bloody tax to be able to operate as a business. 🙄

[Phill Fenton]

quote Kevin Flowers:

that since 2008, if you transport old sign boards back from site you are required to be registered for transportation of waste.

Not only that – but if you switch the van radio on, you also need to pay a license fee to the PRS if any of your employees listen to any music 😕

[Phill Fenton]

I think it’s wonderful that this country has such a huge resource of service industry companies supplying advice on complying with H&S, environmental issues, workplace regulations and so on and so forth..

..it’s just a pity that there are now so few manufacturing companies remaining in business to buy all their "essential" services 😕

[Marc Binnie]

it seems my current employer is registered

we send back allsorts, i see we are no registered for hazardous materials? would battery acid not fall into this category?

i think it is pathetic, there are laws against fly tipping, and to the best of my knowledge the local council charge companies for using the local "recycling centre" as it is! there should be exceptions for small businesses and the like, or at least make it free ffs!

or the other way to do it is tell the rozzers it’s YOUR waste, therefore no permit required 😎

[Shane Drew]

Unbelievable….. If you don’t mind guys, I’ll put this in my next newsletter 😮

[Adrian Yeo]

quote Marc Binnie:

it seems my current employer is registered

we send back allsorts, i see we are no registered for hazardous materials? would battery acid not fall into this category?

i think it is pathetic, there are laws against fly tipping, and to the best of my knowledge the local council charge companies for using the local “recycling centre” as it is! there should be exceptions for small businesses and the like, or at least make it free ffs!

or the other way to do it is tell the rozzers it’s YOUR waste, therefore no permit required 😎

Yep, think you will find battery acid (Sulphuric) deffo falls in the hazardous waste stream! Thats when you get charged some serious money!!

Could always say you took the old board as part exchange for your new sign and intend to recycle as fire wood! lol

[John Childs]

quote Adrian Yeo:

Could always say you took the old board as part exchange for your new sign and intend to recycle as fire wood! lol

That was my initial reaction.

Allow them a small amount in part exchange, which you would have already put onto the price of the new sign, then the old stuff becomes your property and not subject to the rules about carrying other people’s waste.

One good thing about our government Phill, is that they couldn’t write a good law to save their worthless little lives. Number plates is a good example – bind up plate making with all sorts of restrictions and rules, completely overlooking the fact that if I want a set of hooky plates I only have to wander around Sainsbury’s car park with a screwdriver.

[Phill Fenton]

quote John Childs:

quote Adrian Yeo:

Number plates is a good example – bind up plate making with all sorts of restrictions and rules, completely overlooking the fact that if I want a set of hooky plates I only have to wander around Sainsbury’s car park with a screwdriver.

Ahh, but that doesn’t help anyone wanting to clone a car – what’s the chances of finding the number you want in Sainbury’s car park?..

….I don’t believe it !! I’m actually defending one of the governments policies – someone slap me hard please :doh:

[John Childs]

Except in the case of rare models, not much. But for most mainstream stuff, the chances of finding the right make, model, colour and year, are pretty good. If not, you can always try Tesco. 😀

Back to signs, what if the customer wanted you to take his old sign back to your place for refurbishment and subsequent re-fitting? The transport requirements are identical. That’s why that regulation is stupid.

[Alan Drury]

Not only this government but the other lot as well. When Labour get chucked out and the Tories get in I don’t think we will see many of these pointless, non sensical laws repealed.
Alan D

[Craig Brown]

quote John Childs:

Back to signs, what if the customer wanted you to take his old sign back to your place for refurbishment and subsequent re-fitting? The transport requirements are identical. That’s why that regulation is stupid.

John…you would be fine on that one as it’s still a sign and not classed as waste…same goes for tubes that you are bring back to check that they still work…they only become waste if they are broken or can’t be reused on the original sign.

…and please don’t shoot the messenger the above was a real question asked to the EA relating to carrying waste in a sign van. 😉