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what are your opinions with intercoat wrap vinyl?
What’s your opinion on this material? The vinyl feels nice and thin like a cast should do, But according to the supplier the laminate which is 80 microns thick is the correct one. Now I’ve seen and felt a few laminates which are normally just as thin as the vinyl, but this feels like a low budget clear vinyl. Really thick and to be honest I can’t see this staying down in any recess. Am I wrong? 😕
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Morning Karl.
This won’t be of much help, but a while ago I was given some samples of Intercoat wrapping vinyl to test. Unfortunately at the time we were up to our ears in work and didn’t have the time to go into it in great detail.
Why it won’t help is that I wasn’t happy with the print quality on our JV33, but that was probably just profiling, and I didn’t have the time to spend experimenting.
Also, depending on the feedback they received, they may well have changed the formulation for production runs.
Sorry. That’s all I can tell you. 🙁
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hello John.
The print quality is fine John. It’s just the laminate. I just think it’s far to thick for wrapping. I don’t want to print and fit just to find out it’s the wrong material for the job. I’d rather send it back than waste my time and inks. Supplier assures me it’s correct but i’m not so sure. -
You must use the equivalent laminate for laminating a wrap mate.
don’t be fobbed off with any laminate or clear cast.
i would ask for some spec to be faxed to you on what they recommend. i would imagine they will have this at hand if this is a two part system.
I would imagine the intercoat website will state the recommended laminate to use?
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Did the overlaminate come with any markings? On the box, inside the tube?
I’ve a feeling I’ve used the same suppliers and have been sent gloss laminate and been told it is 3yr printable gloss vinyl – which it most definitely wasn’t!
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Hi Rob.
I know you have to use the equivalent laminate to the wrap vinyl.
I’m being told this is the equivalent laminate but feel this isn’t correct.
It’s really thick. As for the packing…..the material I ordered and received was 1370, the box it came in was 1m so it wasn’t even taped up.
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i see what you mean mate…
i read in a sign mag earlier today that this wrap material is not actually a cast/wrap, it is a 5-7 extra-soft calendared vinyl with a form of air channels in its adhesive for easy applying.
i cant, and i am not knocking the product as i haven’t tried it or know anything about it’s reputation, but i like to sleep at night. :lol1: -
RRRight…interesting. In your experience Rob if the Laminate felt like really thick cheap clear vinyl would you say this is to thick to be a laminate?
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ill be honest mate…
the mactac macfleet stuff i used a fair bit of in the past was flood coating vehicles. solid colours and not laminated. it was a very thin material and worked very well… but no laminate to comment on.
another vinyl i used in the past for flood coating was KPMFs VWS. this again was not laminated as it was solid colour. however, it was a wrap but did feel kinda thick. it was a pretty nice wrap to work with but thinned out when stretched into deep recesses and i wasnt over confident in it staying put. but on general contours of vehicles it was fine. anyway, my point was it did feel thick but again, wasnt the laminate…
Grafiwrap, again, anytime i have used it it has come pre-printed and laminated, but didnt feel thick even with the two layers, it performed well.
The stuff we use most is the oracal wrap and "the laminate for that is very thin".
i do have some of the new 3M wrap material with laminate but haven’t used it yet.
any other wraps i have worked with thats been trade supplied came laminated, so i have no knowledge of how thin the laminate was.
sorry, i know thats not much help…
😕 :lol1:
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I’ll have a go with it on that note. Sorry to yarn. Just a bit concerned. 😉
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Karl
there is a bit in Sign Up Date showing a mixing bowl rapped in intercoat 9600 which is a Calendered vinyl quite impressive.Kev
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Cheers mate. Just been reading it.
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its fine wrapping a mixing bowl, and taking a photo, question is will it stay in a recess for 2 or 3 years?
I dont know how good or bad intercoat is, but these extreme type of demos always make me wonder,
Peter
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just done this out of interest
oracle mat, I know Kev uses it quite a bit, in gloss, not sure if I would trust it on a car/van though many vinyls can be applied as wraps, the criteria is will they stay on, and just as important, will they remove easily?Peter
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Peter
i agree 100% article was just to show Karl what has been done with the Intercoat range. That said i think progress is being made in Vinyl manufacture all the time and as much as 3M, Avery etc are working to improve the high end vinyls allowing some of developments to trickle down into their lower end products. I believe that it will be the smaller manufacturers who will strive to develop the lower & mid market range of vinyls because they know that this is the area that they need to break in at.
So subject to how you run your business, relationship with the customer and willingness to take a chance after reviewing the product you sometimes have to take a chance.Well done on rapping the bowl, 😀 i wouldn’t have even tried.
Karl: can’t PM you back but just flicked across it when the mag came through
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quote Robert Lambie:read in a sign mag earlier today that this wrap material is not actually a cast/wrap, it is a 5-7 extra-soft calendared vinyl with a form of air channels in its adhesive for easy applying.
Rob, we were given two samples for testing. One was a calendared, but the other was a cast. Neither had air channels.
So Karl may have one of these that is now in production, or something completely different.
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kev/peter, i am with you both on your comments…
personally though, and this is just my opinion. we all know the pitfalls of using the wrong type of vinyls on vehicles. for years now the top brands of the world have been developing these super casts for wrapping. some getting it right, some wrong. regardless, each and every one have stipulations on the application, heat temps the vinyl must be cured at in recessed areas as well as prep work and the like.
with this in mind, reading the article about a relatively unknown brand in the UK to come in with an "extra-soft" calendared vinyl and promoting it as a wrap, applied with a "hair dryer" doesn’t inspire allot of confidence in me. I am not saying they are wrong/right, just my view over the article as i have zero experience with this product.stretching vinyl into a bowl and it keeping a good percentage of its colour is good going for a calendared vinyl. but as has been said, its how long it will stay there that is the question? the thing is, it is not just down to how the vinyl appears to perform to the naked eye, but what is actually happening to the adhesive on the underside… the more you stretch the vinyl, the thinner the adhesive layer is getting on the underside.
with that in mind, any shrinkage that may occur in a cast, [in this case a calendered vinyl] will have less chance of staying put due to the lack of adhesive on the rear of the media, the less grip the media has on the surface.
now chuck in the scenario of the air-channels this vinyl has to aid application…. great invention and popular within the trade, however, if the vinyl is used as a wrap it is known that those air channels are spaces with little or no adhesive. when the vinyl is stretched "into deep recesses" those channels open/seperate further. so coupled by the thinning of the adhesive, there is actually "even less" adhesive on the likes of easy application type media stretched into deep recessed areas as opposed to a regular skin of adhesive.
again, just my thoughts on it…edit…. john im just taking my info from the magazine article mate.
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quote Robert Lambie:edit…. john im just taking my info from the magazine article mate.
Don’t get me wrong Rob, I’m not disagreeing with you, I’d just like to clarify exactly what Intercoat material Karl is using because it seems to me that there could be at least three possibilities here, and his way forward may depend on which one it is.
Also, I’m with you on the confidence thing. Doing a one-off local van where, if there is a problem you can just get the owner to bring the van back for half a day for rectification, is one thing.
Having to travel all over the country to rectify a hundred vans on-site is something completely different and the expense of that doesn’t bear thinking about. And that’s the reason why, like yourself, we won’t use any material or method in which we have less than 100% confidence.
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quote John Childs:having to travel all over the country to rectify a hundred vans on-site is something completely different and the expense of that doesn’t bear thinking about. And that’s the reason why, like yourself, we won’t use any material or method in which we have less than 100% confidence.
Yep, couldn’t agree more John…
It will be interesting to hear the feedback on this product over the coming months. 😀
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Hi
I have just asked Vinyl Logistics for a sample of Intercoat 9600 wrapping vinyl in black which i am going to test out on my own vehicle
I am only getting 2metres as i had to pay for it(fair enough) and am going to apply it to the side of my combo van, so only a small resess really.
Will let you know how it stays in 😎
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hi guys,
happy new year!! dont know if this will help but ive just been to a sign show and have intercoat wrapping vinyl product code 9600 and it states it is 60nm thick and should be used inconjunction with the polymetric laminate that is also 60nm thick!I have the leaflet for this vinyl here on my desk if you need any more info!! if it is a different product – sorry!!
ive only just started laminating vinyls but i have also been told that unless your laminate is GEF standard you should have different laminates for poly and monometric vinyls??
regards
Dan
one other thing just checked my grafiwrap and the vinyl is 50nm thick and the laminate Lam040 is 40nm thick so it would appear that 80nm is a bit thick for wrapping???
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Hi,
I was the representative from magazine who went to the Vinyl Logistics open day, where they demonstrated the Intercoat 9600 vehicle wrap series.
I was quite impressed by the vinyl. I admit that it was being applied by someone with a lot of experience, but the bowl that was wrapped was done in front of us very well, without any visible stress on a very steeply concave bowl.
I have noticed a few of the comments about it not staying put after a period of time, so I spoke to Vinyl Logistics today and they agreed to send the bowl to me and I would put it in my garden exposed to the frost and sun for at least 6 months and report back on it. The question is will it pop out of the recesses?
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That’s nice, would be interested to see this after 6 months
Jason
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It would be even more of a real test if you attached the bowl to a van, let it run up and down the motorway twice a day, used a pressure was on it with tfr two or three times a week to wash off the salt and grit etc.
Good of you to take the initiative, but I bet any cheap vinyl applied to a bowl and sat in a garden, stands a good chance of staying put.
I removed the oracle mat from my bowl, as it was needed for a steak pudding! but happy to wrap another and do a parallel experiment,
To make it fair can you let me know the diameter and depth of the bowl, and i will try and match it.
I am not saying intercoat is good or bad, I have never used it, but will the manufacturer and suppllier give a reasonable guarantee as to its durability, especially in deep recesses?
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I suppose the test bowl wouldn’t be subject to the going up and down the motorway, pressure washing and grit etc, but the recess is beyond most curves that you would get on a van.
Not the ideal test, I agree.
I will give you the measurements when I get this, if you are still interested.
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it would be interesting, but can I suggest we send the bowls to a third party to place in their garden, so they are both subject to the same conditions, not a scientific test by any means, but interesting never the less, to see if a "non wrap " vinyl would stay put, thus adding weight to my comment about this type of demonstration being not a proof of a products suitability.
I have no idea how either vinyl would react, and I must state again, I am not doubting the intercoat product, just not sure if the means of demonstrating it, is valid
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Peter, never mind the vinyl. I’m more interested in the steak pudding. Was it a proper steamed suet one, like my grandma used to make? Any kidney? 😀
I’m happy to hold the test pieces and report on their progress. I’ll even add an Avery 700 one of my own.
Also, I would be happy to supply the bowls, so that we know that they are identical in size and shape. Half a dozen from the Tesco Economy range shouldn’t break the bank. 😀
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the only way to properly test it is to apply it to an area of a vehicle that gets heavy soiled whilst out on the road. This is what i did when testing Grafityps grafywrap. we took a bit about 2ft square, applied it to the rear doors "without" intense heating, which is actually a requirement of all wraps. (but we went against that) the area that it was applied to did not have severe recessed areas as you would find on a transit van panel but was just as, if not deeper than the bowl.
once applied, it was left for two to three months on the van and the van was used daily as normal. cleaned with our own pressure washer every 3-4 days etc etc
when removing the vinyl we did NOT use heat. simply dog-eared the corner and pulled back. the entire bit of vinyl came away as it should, leaving the vehicle surface as clean as a whistle with zero traces of adhesive.
to do the test 100% correct then it should have been left far longer. a year or two even… but you get the idea anyway…at the end of the day, the vinyl WILL be used as claimed and i hope it stands the test of time. but as i said, the article just didnt inspire confidence in me with the experienced wrapper applying using a "hair dryer" then no mention of heat curing temps, life expectancy of the vinyl? i.e… is this for short term promotional wraps?
anyway, as i am saying, not trying to knock the product as i have "never" used it. i am simply replying with my view/opinions on what i have read after someone else asking for feedback on this new product.
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at the end of the day, the vinyl WILL be used as claimed and i hope it stands the test of time. but as i said, the article just didnt inspire confidence in me with the experienced wrapper applying using a "hair dryer" then no mention of heat curing temps, life expectancy of the vinyl? i.e… is this for short term promotional wraps?
Rob
but less face it if they had heated the PLASTIC bowl with a heat gun i don’t think it would be a bowl any more. That said the heat out of modern hair dryers can be quite high (3 teenage daughters so i’m well conversed in repairing them) :lol1:Kev
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i know what you mean kev, but at the end of the day mate… we shouldn’t be looking for excuses on what is stipulated in the article in an Industry Magazine.
yes the plastic bowl would be destroyed but we didn’t ask them to wrap a bowl as a test?Lets take Karl, the original poster. he takes his vinyl and applies it with his Mrs’s new Hairdryer… the vinyl fails and he incurs the costs and the bad reputation as a result. Does he get compensated for applying the product as the supplier has suggested in the article?
Vinyl curing from a proper heat gun should be done in excess of 100 degrees and gauged using a laser temperature gauge. it is a slow tedious process but must be done to prevent the wrap from failing.
I spend a fair bit on good heat guns as they regularly burn out. a decent one will cost you from £25-£45 and i think reach temps of about 240 degrees. i am currently looking to buy one in from abroad that reaches higher temps but lasts much longer.
take the professional vehicle wrappers in the states, they use open flamed propane torches when wrapping. this sorta throws the hairdryer comment into perspective? 😕 :lol1: -
Rob
i agree mate just yanking your chainas i mentioned earlier though depends on relationship with customer etc, one thing i will say is that for cast wraps post heat is imperative. That said the company do not class this as a cast vinyl so it may be that post heat will not be required (devils advocate here) 👿 i have always found over heating a polymeric vinyl just causes the glue to come off the vinyl. New technology is ever present and maybe it should be the Manufacturer doing the testing but most of us are wary of claims. So someone needs to take the first step how they choose to do it & the reasons for trying it will always be their choice.
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Ending up with the bad reputation if it failed was a main concern Rob as you said. The supplier is paying me a visit on Wednesday and has stated that in fact it looks like I’ve been sent the wrong material by mistake.
May I point out that I’m not looking at getting into a bad mouthing scenario with a supplier, I just want to find out the facts on the materials to avoid as stated before I’m just trying to avoid grief later. As for the using a hair dryer or no heat on a wrap? I think this guy has let VL down with his comments and many signmakers will be sitting there bemused by his comments. I to had to laugh when I read this because it sounded like something a newbie to the trade would come out with when starting out.
I’ll let you know the correct facts on the material when I’ve spoken to the supplier and the results when I’ve tried them out. Thanks for the comments and replies guys…all input is valid helpful. 😉 -
quote Karl Williams:As for the using a hair dryer or no heat on a wrap? I think this guy has let VL down with his comments and many signmakers will be sitting there bemused by his comments.
With regards to the comment above, the article in Sign Update does say that he ‘uses heat from a hair dryer only when needed’, it wasn’t suggesting that no heat is used. Steve used the hair dryer a lot, as you would expect.
Steve does say he uses a heat gun rarely, ‘except for major stressed areas and for finishing’.
The finishing / curing wasn’t done on the day, because it was a demo and for Steve to have gone over the vinyl at slow rate to do the curing/finishing would have not made for a good demonstration, but this was mentioned.The point Steve was trying to make was that heating is to be used where necessary and not overused. To make the point a hair dryer can be used for the application (heat gun can be used if you know what you are doing), and a heat gun should be used for the curing / finishing. A common mistake is overheating the vinyl, so unless you are quite experienced, a hair dryer should be used for fitting and a heat fun for curing.
I have seen a few vehicle wrappings being done done equally as well. Steve gave some good tips on the day and came accross as though he new exactly what he was doing. One good thing though was that there was no air bubbles with using this intercoat product. I have seen a lot of air bubbles being pricked on other demonstrations.
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There is another useful thread in the UKSB which refers to a great wrap demo which can be downloaded at http://www.orafol.com/fileadmin/flv/carwrapping_en.flv
When Steve was at Vinyl Logistics, he used heat about the same amount as this guy, but just with a hair dryer rather than a variable setting heat gun. Just like Steve he also uses a squegee to get some of the vinyl into place for a while before starting to use a heat gun.
Karl – I acknowledge your comment, and have changed the article on the Sign Update website, to make it clearer:
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While doing so, he said how he almost never uses a heat gun, except for major stressed areas and finishing.To:
While doing so, he said how he almost never uses a heat gun, except for major stressed areas, finishing and curing.mod-edit
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the variable settings on a proper heat gun are just that. low, medium and high output. some are just low and high. regardless, it allows you to set the gun to the required setting.
there is no need to apply heat continually to any wrap vinyl when wrapping. all flat areas, gentle curved and concaved areas can be worked in by the heat of your hand/fingers.
however, I think the comments about the use of the hairdryer got up folks noses because it sends out the wrong message.no disrespect intended, but if someone doesnt have enough expereince with a proper heat gun and vinyl, then they shouldnt be attempting to wrap a vehicle.
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Well I did say I’d post the results. Never again! 😉
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does not look good Karl, did you remember and bake it in with your "hairdryer"? 😉
joking aside, its not good is it… would be interested to hear what the supplier thinks.
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quote Robert Lambie:does not look good Karl, did you remember and bake it in with your “hairdryer”? 😉
joking aside, its not good is it… would be interested to hear what the supplier thinks.
I even got my curling tongues out for the job too! 20 years in the game and this is the worse result I’ve had yet.
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Picture one, is the one that really surprises me. this is not so much a recess like the other pictures, just a simple fold in the panel. yet it is pulling away badly.
how long did it take before this all began happening?
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That’s shocking, what does the supplier say Karl? Can’t believe you would be left in the lurch.
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The deep recesses started popping out within minutes. The vinyl in the first pic about half an hour. The supplier has asked a few questions to get protective answers for themselves. No offer of trying to rectify the problem has been offered. Just a "Wait and see what our technical guy has to say!" The conversation was not an amicable one.
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that’s not good Karl, i’ve put oracle 651 and 751c into deeper recesses than that and they’re not even wrap vinyls, was only supposed to be on van for a few weeks til he got a new one, but it’s still going strong two years on. it HAS to be a vinyl thing, i can’t see how it could possibly shrink that far, pull out occasionally yes, but across such a shallow curve as pic1? even with no heat it should stick on pic1,
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quote Hugh Potter:that’s not good Karl, i’ve put oracle 651 and 751c into deeper recesses than that and they’re not even wrap vinyls, was only supposed to be on van for a few weeks til he got a new one, but it’s still going strong two years on. it HAS to be a vinyl thing, i can’t see how it could possibly shrink that far, pull out occasionally yes, but across such a shallow curve as pic1? even with no heat it should stick on pic1,
You’d think so wouldn’t you?
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I imagine they will blame the laminate being too tight.
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We have a van in at the moment that has similar issues but on a much smaller scale then Karl’s.
We are using the coloured variety of the wrap material though, not laminated.
My first port of call was to phone the supplier of the intercoat vinyl, who immediately offered to replace the vinyl or to give us a credit against our account.
I was also asked about prep and fitting techniques etc by the supplier, but at no time did I feel they were trying to get out of anything.
I have had a couple of calls today offering fitting advice and help from the supplier in question, and am going to try the techniques they suggested.
I have also spoken to James Deacon today who advised me that I may have been the cause of the failure due to the way I fitted, and he reminded me of his little secret for getting the last bit of vinyl to sit in the recesses.
I’m not sure about the causes of the popping in the recesses, but I have had more than adequate support from the supplier, who offered free replacement material and if wanted to go and buy some VWS or AVERY 900 or something similar, they have agreed to meet the cost of this without question (via credit against my account with them).
Last year, I didn’t get this much help from the UKSB preferred vinyl supplier when I had a problem with their material, that cost me a lot of money to put right – different story completely and a complete nightmare!
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quote Joe McNamara:they have agreed to meet the cost of this without question (via credit against my account with them).
Cheers
JoeThat’s not a refund though Joe, they are just guaranteeing themselves the sale by saying, OK our vinyl failed, now use your money on one of our other products. 🙄
Fair enough, you may buy on regular basis but still… they are making sure they don’t loose out at the end of the day.
Reality is, we have two experienced vinyl applicators using the same material on vehicles. both standing scratching their head because this new vinyl has failed for both of them on 6 vehicles? A coincidence or a poor product… well i guess that’s upto you to decide, as you are the one faced with the problem.No disrespect meant to vinyl logistics, but i was "Very skeptical" from the beginning when learning it as a calander vinyl that could be treated as a wrap. just doesn’t add up to me… just my opinion of course…
It is fine to hold your hands up and say to two of your customers in one day, we will replace the vinyl or a credit note against its cost. but what about YOUR costs? we have Karl with four vehicles and you with two joe. how many man hours must you have both put in. how will the customer warm to being told you need to start again and his vehicle off the road for another couple of days. you then have to strip and re-fit whilst juggling all your other customers. i just hope it doesnt leave any adhesive… 😕
anyway… i could go on… 🙄
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It’s not just the vinyl failing though Rob that’s the problem. It’s reputation.
This guy won’t recommend my business to anyone. And the abuse I received last night wasn’t good. I knew he was in the right, his argument was valid. So I sat there and took all the cr@p and verbal. And VL get upset when I raise my voice. I get sick and tired of suppliers giving us all the fantastic benefits of the products they sell and how they’ll back you up when problems arise. But in reality the only important thing on their mind is making a sale and screw the end user. Meanwhile we have to fight to survive due to THEIR incompetence. -
joe you are a very experienced vinyl jockey what amazing technique have they come up with, and do you think it will make a difference.
chris
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quote Karl Williams:It’s not just the vinyl failing though Rob that’s the problem. It’s reputation.
This guy won’t recommend my business to anyone. And the abuse I received last night wasn’t good. I knew he was in the right, his argument was valid. So I sat there and took all the cr@p and verbal. And VL get upset when I raise my voice. I get sick and tired of suppliers giving us all the fantastic benefits of the products they sell and how they’ll back you up when problems arise. But in reality the only important thing on their mind is making a sale and screw the end user. Meanwhile we have to fight to survive due to THEIR incompetence.I agree completely Karl, and you have my utmost heartfelt sympathy.
But why were you using Intercoat on an important job?
Surely you would have been better using a more recognised make of vinyl, with a proven record of performance and reputation.
I fully accept that the lesser makes should be tried, but only on one offs, and with an enduser you can talk to.
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Fair point John. I was assured this was up to the job and the price was right. Price eh? The whole world revolves around price and getting it cheaper. Well I’ll gladly stand up and admit to being hard up at the moment and wanting to save a few bob. Backfired though didn’t it.
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I wonder how the "bowl" that was mentioned at the start of this thread has fared?
No one has reported back yet?
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quote Chris Wool:joe you are a very experienced vinyl jockey what amazing technique have they come up with, and do you think it will make a difference.
chris
I might have a lot of experience with normal vinyl Chris, but not massive experience with wraps, but have been on the Roland course and done a few bits with James Deacon, so I’m certainly no expert when it comes to wrapping.
I have successfully wrapped doors, panels etc and even colour changed my old shogun to brimstone yellow with the (old and good) oracal 751, but I’m not sure this air release vinly is suited to recesses of any type.
Having used the intercoat over mild curves, I actually thought it was ok, and would still use it to wrap a car for example, but don’t think I’d use it on a recess.
As for the fitting technique – all that was suggested to me, was a slightly different way of doing the last 80 – 100mm round the recesses, so I will try that and see what happens.
I do feel for Karl as well though, very frustrating when a job doesn’t go like you planned it.
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You live and learn joe. 😉
I don’t think really Phill wrapping a bowl is the ideal way to prove a product works mate. Now if it had wheels and traveled 200 miles a week
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Just out of curiosity, a few weeks ago I asked what was the general thickness of wrap laminate? I’ve spoken to another supplier today and they tell be theirs is 30 microns. The laminate on this is 80 microns. It does feel really thick. I’ve just been looking at the Signupdate report on this material and looking at the picks of the bowl. To me it would have been better to prove the material printed with the laminate applied then fitted to the bowl. Then again the inside of a bowl would be far smoother than that of an LDV van wouldn’t it?
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I think Rob is right, it’s not the material costs, but the cost to your reputation and the man hours putting it right,
we all know half decent vinyl can cost anything from £1.50 a mtr in 610, so none of us really mind if we mess up a mtr or two when we have plenty left on the roll, but to have to waste what will amount to several hours per van just to strip, then re cleaning and re-applying another vinyl is just plain shite,
simply replacing the cost of the vinyl against a credit note doesn’t cover much at all! i’ve nothing against VL, but i do feel that if they’re going to say a product is suitable for a particular application, then there should be some kind of insurance in place to back it up,
imagine if we sold a film as being 5-7yr and next day the film blew away, landed on the screen of the following car, caused a crash and killed someone, would we not better have insurance to cover our liability?
Hugh
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I can just see it now……A massive Hello Boys bra ad stuck on an old blokes screen. he’d have a heart attack. 😀 😀 😀 😀
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As Mr. Childs stated earlier he’s suprised why I decided to go for a low budget wrap or why I’d risk an important job with a new material of lesser quality, well apart from the cost implications of the more expensive wrap vinyls that’s the way I’ve decided to go. I’m trying the Mactac Imagin JT5529 PM series vinyl with laminate. The supplier has given all the relevant info on request and will also come over straight away if possible if any problems occur. I’ve spoken to the client that gave us a gobfull and had a refund and managed to talk him round into giving us another chance. I’ve offered a discount when the job’s complete so hopefully I can put things right with him.
Regarding this thread…..I have not come on here or started this topic to make VL look bad. That was not the intention. I did say I’d report back much earlier in the thread and tell you either my findings or problems that occur during installation for others to watch out for. After all the site is all about helping each other. I just wanted to make this statement just in case others thought I was trying to be vindictive. Hopefully VL and Intercoat will look into this and realise the 9600 needs to either be re-classified or improved to avoid topics like this in the future.
I took all the correct appropriate steps during installation of the 9600 the same way as with other wraps I’ve used such as the Grafiwrap of which I have no complaints at all.
I’ve learned the hard way. Do a job with the right materials at the right cost….Or don’t do them at all. And if the customer can’t afford the job but still demands the right materials TELL HIM TO GO ELSEWHERE!
Relations between myself and VL have gone sour.ADS have always supported me on any problems as well with out argument if problems have occurred and always sought to put things right.
If the 9600 had been a success I would have come on here and said so and praised VL for their efforts. I wish them every success for the future I really do, but what ever success they do experience will be without my custom.Karl.
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Thanks for this Karl, we used Intercoat years ago and were thinking about testing this product for certain jobs, it IS important to share experiences, we will NOT consider this product any further based on your impartial advice.
A shame that suppliers do not stand by their product for all concerned.
Jason
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Thanks Jason. Thing is mate we all try and test for a better price and hope to cut costs down. Cutting cost down on the right matts means cutting corners and that is bad for our businesses. I’ll say this and this applies to me as well..Do it right or pack it in!
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Karl, it is a difficult stance to take but I learnt some time ago: If you can’t do the job for a reasonable profit then don’t do it. You will always be less enthusiastic on a job with little or no margin. It will always be ‘good enough’ quality when it should be the best you can do. You will be less inclined to rework something if the margin doesn’t allow. It just isn’t worth it. No matter how much anyone needs the business low / zero margin jobs are for fools.
People will pay for quality and be happy to do so. Those that won’t don’t deserve your time and effort.
As far as suppliers, we should name and shame them as a heads up for others. As long as it is done impartially, as I believe you have been in this case, it can only help our fellow sign writers and ensure suppliers keep their noses clean.Peter
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Hi Peter. Couldn’t agree more mate, and as I’ve said before my fault for going down that road with them in the first place. I don’t like jobs going out the door that aren’t up to scratch. If it’s wrong it’s put right before it leaves. I think many on here have to look at the reasons why some materials are expensive. A higher price carries higher quality and support. Pay peanuts expect to get served my Monkeys.
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SUCCESS! 😀 Just redone the van using Mactac wrap vinyl. went down a treat. I’ll pop a couple of pics on Monday.
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Good news Karl, I hope the customer appreciates your effort to put things right,
Peter
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quote Karl Williams:SUCCESS! 😀 Just redone the van using Mactac wrap vinyl. went down a treat. I’ll pop a couple of pics on Monday.
Er, what MacTac vinyl was it? The BF one isn’t a cast and will also pop out of recesses.
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quote Peter Normington:Good news Karl, I hope the customer appreciates your effort to put things right,
Peter
He’s happier Peter but you know what people are like, things go wrong and you’re looked on as scum no matter what you do to put things right.
As for the bubble wrap……noooooooo! I’ts the cast mate.
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