what are peoples views on Citrosol inks for the cadet?

[Robert Lambie]

my honest opinion is sol or Citrisol, you wont be able to see any real visable advantages. so marketing ploy yes! well i think so anyway…
Eco-sol is one thing saying less smell/fumes… citrosol? well maybe slightly less than sol but not as low as eco sol so why pay extra?
i could be totally wrong here but if citro-sol isn’t giving same solvent fumes as a solvent printer and equals that of a eco-sol then fine… maybe charge a “little” more for the NEW advantage. but realistically if they can offer ecosol equivalent smell/fumes then they should come in at same price and make a killing..
if all we get is a nicer smell to being intoxicated then bugger off!
b&p are charging way to high as far as i am concerned for their inkanyway!
lets know we are dying… and responsible for it instead of strawberry flavored gas! 😕

could be totally wrong here i guess, but lets see what the facts are before paying higher ink costs?

[Peter Shaw]

I’ve found that most prints on our Cadet Plus using solvent inks do not give off an excessive smell. Sometimes certain prints which have full width coverage e.g. dark wood backgrounds, seem to smell stronger. Even these are not a problem in a reasonable size room where we open a small window to let air in and have a small extractor fan on the other side of the room.

When the citrus inks came out B & P said they would send samples but, as usual I’m still waiting. I’m not even interested now as, like Robert, I think the ink cartridge cost is far too high so why pay more for citrus? This seems to be born out by the prices I saw at Sign UK for compatibles.

By the way, has anyone seen a COSSH sheet for the inks?

Peter

[Robert Lambie]

thanks for the feedback pshaw…
to b honest, and no, I’m not saying it’s is gospel, just my opinion etc on this whole Eco…solvent print thing! i know the kick-up nowadays about solvent fumes etc but lets take the screen printing machines of today, god knows many new variations i seen at sign UK… never did i see white boiler suits, air-fed masks and the like at any one stand! or am i being over the top…. if so…. maybe we all all are “paranoid” with true-sol and Eco-sol… is it a sale technique? health will always be an issue so ill just ask your opinions?

[Brian Hays]

Asif, I don’t think they are as aggresive as the solvent inks. So will probably not be as durable. If you are switching from the Versacamm because of the durability issue I would stick with the standard inks.

[Ian Hatfield]

I use the Citrosol, and although I had reservations at first I can now say I am very happy with them. I have well over 8000 point of sale boards out there unlaminated and they are all fine. There is a wierd kind of solvent citrus smell to them but no where near as bad as some os the solvent ink I have used in the past. The real benifit comes down to the heads there is next to no cleaning, I have had a few head crashes and the heads have been exposed all weekend. I have come back in expecting a nightmare to recover them but a single clean and off they go again. They will also print onto most materials without a problem, even really cheap monomeric vinyl. I agree that they might not be as aggresive as a true solvent but for the ease of use and lack of smell they are a good compromise.

[Robert Lambie]

good to hear they still work just as well mate, my personal thoughts are though, why buy full solvent machines, to go back the way? well obviously you benefit a bit health whys and that’s “always” good. but paying even more for the ink that maybe better smelling but less performance? i just feel its maybe all sales tactics, if that’s the way to put it? 😕 why not spend a little on a good extractor fan, just fit to a window or wall and problem solved. £100 would do the lot & saves you ongoing costs of about £15 a cart & still benefit from the full solvent performance?
having said all that, if your happy to pay the extra for less smell then fair do’s. 😀

[asifnmalik]

Do I sense that like me many other people have yet to receive samples from the citrosol inks from Bp. I think that from what is being said here I will order sets of regular ink and wait for a sample before I order a set of the citrosol inks. Also if you read the stuff from them on the new inks they seem to be saying that the new inks are ‘almost’ as durable as the standard inks.

Also the following line from their website needs thinking about;

quote :

CitroSOL organic solvent ink is also easier on your printer and it’s printheads,

Seeing as the main upgrade that Bp do to roland machines is changing the tubes etc to withstand solvent inks, does this mean that citrosol inks can be used on roland machines? and if the new inks are as durable as standard solvent inks does this mean that using the new inks and a roland machine gives you a machine capable of printing very durable print. I’m confused here.

[Ian Hatfield]

I actually pay less for the citrosol than the Solvent as I have a bulk feed system. I am not sure I agree that it is going backwards. My first Grenadier I swapped the normal solvent inks out as they were not aggressive enough for the jobs we were doing, and put the screen inks in it. These were nearly as agressive as the inks used in the xxl grandformat machines but the maintanice was a nightmare. Now there is the correct profiling for the citrosol I think the advantages far out way any and few draw backs. I would recomend them to anyone for general POS and display, and if you cant get a sample out of BP let me know and I will send you one as I have samples which I give to my clients.