Welcome to new members, the sign show and other issues

[Robert Lambie]

nop, it was uksignboards.com last you were here too mate 😆 😆
the site is host to the uk sign group though. (buying group) so probably tahts were the mixup is.. or>? maybe the logo being different has mixed you up. 😉

signshow.. yeh, your right mate..
its all digital and the like..
the demo stand is always good.. steve broughton will be on it this year so that should be good to visit and say hello. (tahts if he recognises me, even if he does he will probably kiddon he doesnt) 😆 😆
another to watch for is dave smith, he will also be doing his bit on the demo stands.. some amazing stuff. 😉

[Lee Attewell]

I bet you can’t wait to heckle him from the sidelines Rob. What fun! Start with a shout of BOOOORRRRIIIINNNNGGGG and then move up to the old favourite the slow clap. Then run… I hear Steve’s really big.

Lee

[Robert Lambie]

hes not that big mate.. ill just run under his legs or jump on his toes 😉 😆 😆 😆

[Joe Cieslowski]

Pete,
Thanks for the compliment. Just for jollies, the next time you gild do a little test and do the test both ways and see how close together they are. Gravity is more consistent then I am when it comes to knuckle draging 😀
Regards,

Joe

[Pete Witney]

Joe, I will try both methods next time, I didn’t intend to put down your method, sorry if it sounded that way, I feel that the squeeky method would tell when the size is first ready, useful if you’re in a hurry,the gravity system would probably take a little longer thus giving a better gild.

[Joe Cieslowski]

Pete,

No offence taken 😀 . I’ve been gilding for a lot of years and have learned from some real masters…….and the one thing I have learned from all is that there are million variables. This Polak, for one, 😀 needs to make things simple and try to remove variables. Hence, gravity.

Are you interested in a REALLY FAST gild technique?

Best Regards,

Joe

[Pete Witney]

Joe, Always interested in new techniques, signwriting by its nature is never a quick job, but knowing a fast alternative is always useful, Pete

[Joe Cieslowski]

Pete,

This info will be worthless to you if you can’t get One Shot products…..but here goes anyway. Add 1 Shot Speed Dry UV Acrylic Clear to 1 Shot fast dry size, 1 to 5. Thats it! Quite a few vehicle guys here use it cause they are usually in a hurry…:) I was given this info by Frank Manning, 1 Shots rep. (it’s also OK,d by their chemists).

I don’t do vehicles. So it was useless info for me at the time (plus, as you tell from my post above I would worry about getting a 1 to 5 ratio)….but I did have past experience with the UV Clear.

But now, I do combine the two in a different way. After my letters are carved, I apply 2 coats of a water borne primer (they dry in about an hour). Apply a coat of the UV Clear. (dries to the touch in about 20 mins). I wait 30. Second coat…..wait 30 min. I then apply a very thin coat of the fast dry size….brushed on with a short, flat artists brush. I really lean into it until the brush actually starts to drag. Gild in 30 mins! but the window lasts for at least another 1/2 hour. IMHO the gild is brilliant.

Total time from raw wood to gild is 3 hrs or less. (not 3 hrs of work though……mostly it’s waiting….;) )

This is why it works…..the UV Cleart dries to the touch quickly but continues to out gass for a long time (days) The out gassing combines with the size to really “kick” it. You might expect this to leave a soft gild but it doesn’t…..I can buff with cotton right away.

Try it, It won’t take long! 😀

Regards,
Joe

[Robert Lambie]

Hi Joe
Just thought i would thank you for the very informative replies/posts so far on the site mate.
It’s great to have a regular visitor so knowledgable in the traditional methods.

Cheers mate. 😉

[Pete Witney]

Joe, thanks will give it a go, I don’t do any carving so will try the 1-5 method. Pete

[Joe Cieslowski]

Robert and Pete…..My pleasure!

I’m just amazed that more folks haven’t jumped in with their techniques…..Gilding is a pretty basic skill in these parts and
it certainly is a great “up sell”! 😀

I hope you both can pick up a couple of “quick bucks” with the info!

Once folks see it, they WANT it! 😀

Regards,
Joe

(remember, they don’t want what they can’t see)

[John Singh]

Hi Joe
Some interesting info on the fast size!!
Would be good for those little jobs you can’t hang around for

Fortunately we can get the ‘one shot’ stuff over here at Handovers in London
Just a question: Do you use loose leaf with the gilder’s cushion and tip or do you use transfer to get into the carved work.

I had to do some capitals on porch columns the other day and just used transfer! Very awkward

John

[Joe Cieslowski]

John,

I mostly use surface or “loose”. Two reasons….I mostly work indoors and the gold is cheaper 🙂 You can however use the patent and if you’re outside you must use it. The “Real Sign Shop” 🙂 in my town, only uses patent…. the trick in getting it into the recesses is to use a somewhat stiff brush with short hairs…..about 3/4″ long and push from behind the paper into the areas you wish to reach……you should be able to see through the paper so you can align the gold…and the paper is thin enough to get into some pretty tight places.

Oh, Iusually push the gold around with a make-up brush (the loose)…..I had a gilders tip but I gave it away….. 😀

Hope this helps…….

Regards,

Joe

[John Singh]

Thanks Joe 😀

It was the deep recesses of the leaves that were awkward but it all came out well

John 😀

[Joe Cieslowski]

John……..Kool!!!! 😀

Don’t we always find a way….. 😆

Regards,
Joe