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vinyl that will adhere to hi-refl motorway jackets?
hi folks…..put this in the wrong forum to start with (sorry rob) …a bit of a heavy drinking session last night thats my excuse !!
Im trying to find out if theres a vinyl available that would adhere to hi reflective motorway jackets or do they have to be screen printed ???
regards Brian
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You need a vinyl thats suitable for nylon & a heatpress.
The main problem with nylon if the waterproofing. This stops the rain getting in and the nylon vinyl sticking to the jacket.
Look at the small print, few will gauentee because of this. We always warn our customers about this before doing the jobs. That way theres no comeback.
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Thanks becky ….so ill need a heatpress. Can you sugest ant vinyl company that sells the vinyl ? 🙂
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Look at the Europa Leisure sports press HF4500 Tel: 01376 517717 – 2 different sized plattens which are coated so you don’t need Teflon paper sheets.
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victory designs sell the garment flex
Carrie 😀
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We are talking about jackets as in coats here arent we???? Or are you on about some other sort of motoway reflective jacket of some sort??? Im not with it this morning it was a late night and Im feeling it this morning? Now Im babbling 🙄
Carrie …. a bit confused and probably being a complete moomin!!! 😮
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no your rite carrie …its the hi visibility type …it feels like nylon waterproof material.
Regards Brian
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Oh thats ok then, for a moment I thought you may have been talking about reflective sleeves that wrap around poles etc … sort of like a jacket that goes on a water tank ……… there I go again :dance4:
Anyway, yes victory supply the garment marking films, we use the films and have no complaints.
Carrie 😀
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i would recommend maybe calling richard at quazar international, or maybe sending him an email. trust me if anyone will know about vinyls and that sort of thing sticking to these type of jackets he will. his firm are the ones doing the emrgency services jackets etc. and much more.
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Thanks Rob & all
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how did you get on brian!! 😀
Nik (excuse my ignorance this morning on the phone..my new hard drive packed up……electricey went down for 2 hours..not done a stroke of work today!!! ) 😮
hope you got it sorted!! 😉
Nik
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Morning all, I missed this post completely yesterday. I had my new kitchen doors delivered first thing and spent the rest of the day catching up once I eventually got to work 😮
Brian emailed me and I replied, telling him that we use a 3M product called 8711. This is basically just an extremely thin heat activated adhesive/binder to which (very) small glass spheres are bonded.
There is a whole heap of information on the 3M Personal Safety site (it’s quite separate from the regular self adhesive commercial graphics part of 3M).
Similar materials are starting to turn up, often from China, but I think we’ll probably stick 🙄 with 3M because while it is very expensive, it is a very good product.
If anybody wants any more info I’ll do my best to help.
BTW Brian, how’s “NORMA DICK”… 😀
CLUE: DICK WHITTINGTON, DICK CHENEY, DICK VAN DYKE
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I print hi vis jackets and vest with a vinyl film called Nylocut available in quite a few colours from Charterhouse Express Apx £4.50 a Mtr (380 wide) it is a bit of a pain to apply but doe`s the job.
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Hi
Most of our work is branding on hi-viz jackets and emergency services clothing, what exactly are you trying to achieve, the reflective on the back or what as there are many options, Charthouse in our expereicne is not the best to use. There are many vinyls you can use – depending on what you are trying to achieve.
Quazar are an excellent compnay for badges, etc, but if you want simple graphics it is cheaper to apply yourself. We use a combination of sewn, heat applied and embroidered.
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john
What in your opion is the best vinyl to use on nylon jackets, we have had problems with some coming off, but strangley not all….. -
Hi Becky
What make and model / style of jacket are you trying to brand?
What vinyl have you been using?
What temperature have you been using on the heat press and for how long and what pressure?
Armed with this I can probably give you a better answer.
best wishes
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at the moment we use nylon material from grapitype (sp)
we just follow the instructions.
off the top of my head.
pre press
press for 4 sec on lightest possible pressure.
peel off cover
press again for 10 secs, lightest possible pressure.170-180c temp??
Don`t like it too much, as it slides if too much pressure is applied.
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Hi folks well i eventually got the job done i used material from victory (cant remmember the name ..hot something ?) just pressed it on with an iron . its seems to have worked perfectly ,how it will last the test of time i dont know ,but these jackets are for rough “worky types” and are unlikkly to be washed ever !!!…Hey i could go into the teashirt market…today Perth …tommorow the WORLD!!!!!!!!!…well not quite, but it got me out of a situation i just didnt want another sign co to get in there because once there in ther doing the guys vans etc as im sure youll all appreciate
but thanks for all your help
Regards Brian
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Brian, we have used nylmark from Victory same as you maybe and no one has come back yet …… but thats probably as you said ….. they probably never get washed so no chance of it coming off :lol1:
Carrie 😀 …. whats the bet that I’ll have jackets returned tomorrow now I’ve said that? 😮
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yep Carrie
its sods law aint it? ….but i believe it was you that suggested that material so thanks. I Have to say i found the girl there very helpful (Heather).
but thanks again for your helpRegards Brian
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quote :they probably never get washed so no chance of it coming off
Carrie when i worked on the Trains at track maintenance we never washed them, in fact once they get dirty we just got new ones.
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Crikey Mort, some companies must spend a fortune on workwear if it just gets thrown away when dirty 😮 …… now if we were talking about womens shoes, bags, coats etc I could understand the need for constant new ones :lol1: :lol1: 😉
Then again are the high viz garments actually washable ….. goes to show how often I check out the label in them?
Carrie 😀
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seems i spoke to soon about these motorway jackets….arrived at customers this morning to find that the letterings peeling ….i used material from victory to be fare to them they wernt sure if it would work on that kind of material …any more suggestions
regards Brian
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Oh no Brian 🙁 I wish I had not mentioned Victory now, sorry!!!!! Looks like you thanked me too soon. I give my permission for my pic to be printed and stuck to a dartboard 😕 Its the teflon coating on the jackets that causes a problem? Out of curiosity I called our customer and 1 out of the 10 jackets we did peeled, but not all of them???
Carrie 😀 … sorry Brian.
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carrie.
that what bugs me..
some customers come back for more jackets to be lettered up with no problems.
other come back after aweek to say its peeled off.
all done using the same material, all done the same way.
must be the jackets, some must have more waterproofing on..
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Becky, same here, leaves us well baffled??? Last year we did loads of jackets for a car club, they were waterproof, did a test one to make sure it would stick ok and it was fine. Did the job sent it off to customer, week later had a call to say two of the jackets were peeling, I was stressing at the thought of having them all returned, anyway customer was happy to leave it to see if anymore peeled and luckily still to this date the rest have been fine ????? I dont know if its the jackets or the material or a mixture of both?
Like you we tell the customer that it may not stick on waterproof garments and its their descision?
Carrie 😀
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no no not atol Carrie….the stuff had to be tried….it didnt work so ill try something else . i think ill try 8711 from 3M not dought ill have to take out a second mortgage to pay for it i only need 2 metres as well
regards Brian 😀 😀
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Carrie
When i worked for LUL if u asked for a new one u got a new one, they throw money away, but they have also been known to make businesses go bust by not paying on time or nearly on time as they spend so much on ordering.
I used to order for our office and u wouldn’t believe what i would spend on stuff “we may need” sometime in the furure ect.
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I know of a few companies that worked like that….. spend spend spend go bust and almost take a few small businesses out with them.
Carrie 😀
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yep but i can’t see LUL (london underground ) go bust 🙁
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quote :pre press
press for 4 sec on lightest possible pressure.
peel off cover
press again for 10 secs, lightest possible pressure.170-180c temp??
Sorry for the deal in coming back to you on this.
We use a material which we press onto the garment at medium pressure for 25 seconds at 165 degrees, which is very much different to your 10 seconds.
We use a material from Doratape for one, but we also use Relfexite and 3M depending on the application.
If you need any further info let me know. Depending on the jackets used and any protective surfaces this might not always work. The jackets we manufacture do not have any probmems and they are nylon based.
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