van wrap: black

[Lynn Normington]

sounds a silly question but why didn’t they just lease a black van 🙄

Lynn

[Ewan Roberts]

Hi Lynn, i asked the very same question. The answer i get was that under the lease agreement they could only get a white van. 😮 You can get them in black because my mate has one. Also the more white vans the better if it keeps me busy and there is a nice big cheque at the end. :lol1: :lol1:

[Lynn Normington]

Ewan I know, some of our customers have black one’s nice colour to sign on we have one customer that has several differant makes the logo’s and writing are apple green, yellow and red they look really good. I suppose also at the end of the lease when the wrap and signing comes off there is no ghosting and like you say your making money which is not a bad thing

Lynn 😀

[Robert Lambie]

from the pictures you look like you have done a great job mate… well done!

i really like mactac 9800 used it for many years but im a bit uneasy on the deep panel recesss on the sides. what i mean is "will they pop?" i know macfleet would eat any contour a van can throw at it but the 9800 has limitations.

anyway… excellent job mate! 😀

[Ewan Roberts]

Thanks Robert, you are right about the Macfleet it works into recesses great but tares far to easy. I am confident that the 9800 will not pop because of the way i prepared the recesses and the way i shrinked them into shape and a bit of afterburning. It’s all about stretching the vinyl the right way as you know.

[Richard Urquhart]

hi mate its good to see you using mac tac 9800 for this i did the lower half of a connect some time ago and was a little worried but after seeing 3 old shape transits i did 2 years ago using 9800 i have great confidence in this vinyl and i use this for nearly all my work
great job on the partner/ berlingo how to the shuts look with the door open
thanks rich

[Robert Lambie]

i know what you mean regarding macfleet tearing… very temperamental mate.
i think the room has to be a nice contant warmth. (IN REAL WORLD I KNOW THIS constant NO USE) opps caps…
what i mean is, we have a unit. blast heater works great but on low sections were room is always cold in either like this it causes snapping of vinyl. 😕 if flood-coating i use app tape to get the vinyl in place. tighten it up where i can and then remove tape carefully without over stretching the unwrapped vinyls. then… gently heat in before the baking process. 😀
its funny bit the first van i ever wrapped was a old old style transit minibus with huge wheel arches. this was many years ago and i used the 9800. two years later it came back with damage and i had to repair a section. nothing had popped! 😮 i know 9800 has been improved so i guess you are probably right on it staying put. 😀

meant to add… i did find the 9800 to whiten a bit… i used it a few months ago on cosmos blue and i was surprised how little give it had before whitening… i put that down to bad batch though 😕

[Fran Hollywood]

Completely off topic.

How does this work with your log book. Vehicle colour …… white ?????? Is their any onus on the client to tell the lease company about the change in colour? Would the same apply to other full body wraps?

Only that it’s Christmas and not April 1st ……. yeah white van 🙄

[Phil Halling]

The van looks nice …but have you ever tried stripping a vehicle that has been wrapped in 9800 ? I would suggest you start experimenting with various brands and concoctions of glue remover as soon as possible. We wrapped a range rover in the same black 9800 that stayed on for about 12 months, vinyl removed in 1/2 a day….. 2 1/2 days for the glue!

[Ewan Roberts]

Hi Richard, i saw the connect (choc fountain) that was a nice job.

Robert. I agree. I had two wall heaters and a gas burner on in my workshop also stripped down to a t shirt because of the heat and the Macfleet tore. I wish it didn’t because i prefer to heat that into recesses. If they could make it robust like VWS then i would use it every time apart from the satin finish which puts some of my customers of it, also the smaller colour range.

[Robert Lambie]

Phil, no disrespect mate but ill be honest…
if i am asked to wrap anything these days, i will wrap in what i think will last longest. i never contemplate removal of the vinyl unless stipulated and even then ill say if you want it easy removed, you will get no real guarantee on it staying put. i.e no popping.
its fine on temp wraps… something i get VERY little of though. i have a customer that wants rear ends wrapped solid red. we do it and i don’t give a damn how he gets it off… he has paid me to wrap it and wants it staying there, he cant have best of both worlds.

all that said, i know and understand what you mean…

[autosign]

A guy came into us with an ex Iceland van he’d bought which has the red/orange fade wrap on the sides which he wanted to remove. That stuff was NOT going to come off!

I’ve heard that VWS, although supposedly ‘easy peel’, is also very tough to remove.

[Robert Lambie]

quote autosign:

I’ve heard that VWS, although supposedly ‘easy peel’, is also very tough to remove.

some wraps boast of being permanent and some temp…
classic examples are VWS, grafiwrap, oracal and the like…
the trouble is… are they?

as i said in previous post, KPMF was purposely create for smooth, although deep contour’s like hacknie cabs. a London firm reported massive glue residue on multiples of taxis. from what i heardm, little or no blame was excepted by KPMF and as a result the London firm pulled the wrap supplier. Metamark MD5 i believe was brought in?
the thing is… most wraps will pull from sharp recesses… but not deep gradual ones. most decent vinyls, wrap or not can cope with this. i recon this is why md5 is coping.

the issue/question here is…
KPMF is a good wrap material… easy to use etc but it does pull/fade in deep recesses… in my opinion anyway.

[Andy Gorman]

When I was using it, KPMF started recommending a technique to aid removal. It was to spray the vehicle with application fluid and then let it dry. This created a dry film that lessened the bond of the vinyl. It was necessary to clean recesses with alcohol before applying so that it would stick properly.

VWS does shrink, and this was both of benefit and problem. Firstly, the shrinking caused any small bubbles to disappear. It also tended to restore the gloss after all that squeegeeing. It did, however, tend to pop out of deep recesses. Also, I think the shrinking made it grab more. On one occasion I removed some after heating only for it to pull the lacquer off the car.

I haven’t used VWS for 3 years, so apologies if any of these issues have been rectified since. It was the (I think) 120 micron film that I used.

[Andy Gorman]

Sorry Ewan, great job on the vans. I know what you mean about method. There are techniques to lessen the chances of vinyl popping out of recesses.

[Andrew Blackett]

Sorry to dig up an old post but I’m quite enjoying going through the wrapping posts tonight!

We’ve got a guy that wants his roof wrapping in black vinyl, previous (but limited) experience of black vinyl leads me to believe it may scuff easily when I’m applying it. Looking at these photos though it looks brilliant, is my assumption wrong or is there just a knack?

Alternatively is there a product to remove/mask the swirls? Thinking along the lines of the principle of using t-cut on paint. We are going to use (more than likely) oracal 751c cast

Andy

[Ewan Roberts]

Hi Andy,
your not half going back a bit with the wrapping posts mate. I have wrapped with black a lot and still get surface swirl scratch marks now and again but i have found that as the vinyl weathers and ages the marks go away. If you are wrapping a roof and if it’s a van then you should be okay. By the way T cut doesn’t work.

Cheers
Ewan.

[Andrew Blackett]

Its a mini, but I’ll explain that the swirlies will "age", thanks for the headsup with t-cut will save a mess up!

Andy

[Dave Harrison]

Andy, while 751c would be very capable of doing the job of covering a mini roof. I’d be tempted to use 970 wrap vinyl from oracal. It offers a limited amount of repositioning ability which 751 doesn’t and gives a brilliant gloss ( paint like finish ) once applied.
Its quite expensive but it comes in a width of approx 1600mm. Might be worth spending a little more on material to get an easier install.

best of luck !

[Andrew Blackett]

Thanks for the tip Dave!

Will do that, the difference in price isnt that much to be fair!

Best wishes
Andy

[Emran Shaikh]

Hi Ewen, you’ve done a great job with the white van. Call this a coincidence but I have had a customer approach me to do a vehicle wrap just like yours. Don’t worry none of your customers. The van he wants wrapping is a VW combo. What kind of figures should I be charging him? Also I have never done a vehicle wrap! so any help will be very much appreciated, ie: what material vinyl? how easy is it to take off after if customer is to sell his van? is it OK to vinyl on top of it with writing etc… We source our printing from an outside company, would vinyl straight from the roll do or would we need to apply some form of laminate?

As stated help very much appreciated.