Trouble in London

[Adrian Neill]

we have two fitters in London at the moment !!!

They were next to Aldgate when it kicked off !!
they are OK and now trying to get out of the city !!

My feelings go out to all involved !!

[Simon Kay]

I just saw the newsd over here.

What’s going on?

Has anyone claimed responsibility?

I guess London has been a soft target while G8 is on in Scotland.

Hope not too many people are hurt.

[Carrie Brown]

No not nice at all …… wonder when the whole report will come through … as to whether its an accident or attack?

Not sure if its correct but Ive just been told that Swindon and Brighton have reported blasts too??

🙁

[Shane Drew]

It is unfolding on news breaks here.

Please take care Guys and Girls. I hope no one you know is affected.

Seems terrorists are the answer.

Give them a fair trial then hang them I say….

Our thoughts are with you all.

[Simon Kay]

We’ve just been told there were 6 bombs.

[Marcella Ross]

Watching Sky News, there have been 3 bomb explosions on buses and a further 3 on the underground. Many fatalities. The army is now on the streets taking over from the Policce in certain areas.

Thoughts and prayers to all involved. Take care everyone.

[John Harding]

Im based in south London – not in the city today, try to avoid it like the plague anyway – just hope all our board members are ok, regrettably there are casualties I hear

john

[Adrian Neill]

our guys just can’t get out – way too much traffic !!!
they are the lucky ones though !!

If it had happened another 5 minutes later they would have been even closer !! 🙁

[Jayne Marsh]

Dreadful thing to happen, I hope everyone is ok.
My brother works in A & E in London, I hope to speak to him soon

[Simon Clayton]

I feel sick to the core, dirty (oops). They don’t give a fuck about anyone..
We are too soft in this country and need to start doing something about this.. Stop all this do gooders, and human rights crap

Simon

[Marcella Ross]

Couldn’t agree with you more Simon. I think we ought to have tougher laws on refugees and asylum seekers …. I think it’s safe to assume it’s Al Queda.
Perhaps if we hit them where it hurts…. the pocket. Offer them NOTHING when they get here then perhaps they bother another country. Surely the Wicked Witch (Mrs Blair) must feel some sort of guilt, she’s the one who stands up for their human rights at every turn, making hundreds of thousands in the process.
I just want to point out though that I am in no way racist, but we have to make a stand on these issues. Our safety is priority.

[Simon Clayton]

The law in this country is a joke… they reward the thieves, rapists and murders, and persecute the hard working honest people with car fines taxes etc..
They bring in new laws about religious intolerance, but for years allowed that dickhead with the hooks for hands to spout western hatred, and we paid him thousands in dole money and housing,

Its a very sad day for us all, we will never see the full horror of what has happened, (as i did when i was caught up in the clapham junction rail crash) maybe they should show that on the 6.00 news, people may begin to sit up and take notice, and not allow the likes of Blair misses
Simon

[Bill Dewison]

Wholeheartedly agree, it’s a horrific act of terrorism against innocent people. Notice the cowards who commit these atrocities don’t target military installations where the inhabitants are armed and prepared for such attacks!

The security of this country should be tightened, but I think we all know it won’t be. We as a nation have adopted an attitude of indifference to political matters and when attacks such as today happens, we blast the politicians that we have ignored. I’m no different as I couldn’t care less about fox hunting, whether or not the toilets in the Houses of Parliment are redecorated or even when Mr Blair’s son wants to smoke pot on the porch, but the only way the securiy of the UK will tighten is if the government is pressured constantly and consistantly by the general public.

All that said, I dearly hope that everyone effected by the attacks in London know that all our thoughts are with them and their families.

There has just been a warning on the radio to all muslems to stay indoors. I hope the attacks aren’t used as an excuse to attack even more innocent communties, the majority of whom, whether you agree about them being here as communities or not, are innocent men, women and children, just like the victims of the bombings today.

Cheers, Dewi

[Shane Drew]

Hi dewi.

I agree with your thought here mate. Unfortunately these sorts of things bring out the vigilanty in some. Fighting terrorism is one thing, but to involve other innocent communities in some sort of percieved payback is no less barbarick.

That said, if it was musleum extremists that did this, it is up to the musleum community to flush them out. The same in any society.

We have all got to get past this them & us mentality when it comes to race, but unfortunately too many have been taught hatred at an early age, or are just plain unsociable.

My 2c anyway.

Cheers

[Bill Dewison]

Thats exactly it Shane, this event could and probably will be used by people with other agendas to vent anger and hatred on yet more innocent people in the name of defending our country.

Our American friends went through hell due to the twin tower attack and many thousands of people were personally effected, but the aftermath saw many more thousands maimed and killed, all under the manner of justice.

I hope for all concerned that the communites in the country, whatever race or religion, will help the population of London get through this. The police and the military can spend more time hunting the perpitrators of this atrocity rather than dealing with skirmishes between communties elsewhere.

Cheers, Dewi

[Nigel Pugh]

Isn’t today the anniversary (for want of a better word) of the race riots in Bradford 2001.

[Marcella Ross]

It’s extremely difficult in this day and age not have the ‘them and us’ mentality. Unfortunately it’s all too common an occurrence that suicide bombers take the lives of many innocents. It’s now happening here in Britian and we must stand up and deal with this in a far more heavy handed manor.
Us as britons do not travel abroad and blow ourselves up for ‘a cause’. So we should not allow others to do it here. It’s true that the majority of ethnic communities here as innocent men women and children, but it has been proved time and time again that there are large numbers from these communities whose sole purpose is to destroy western life and will stop at nothing to make their gain.
As you say, they should flush them out and then perhaps they would gain more respect.
We would not be treated in their country as they are here. We are a soft touch and that has to change.

[Simon Clayton]

Here here Marcella, I’m sick of hearing how hard done by they are, this country bends over backwards to help, we change our laws and priorities for these people, give them housing and grants, in return we are treated as an enemy..

I could say a lot more…

My heart goes out to all the 1000s of people that will now be suffering.

Simon

[Iain Gordon]

Jobe,

As a matter of fact it is the anniversary??? of the Bradford Riots, however i dont think it has any relevence to the horrific incidents in London.

I witnessed the riot first hand, being a resident of Bradford, and that was just a bunch of thugs with nothing better to do.

Terrorism is a totally different thing and something that affects the innocent all too often.

I feel sickend about what happened today and my condolences go out to each and every one affected, but we as respectable human beings must not let the terrorists win. We must continue with our day to day lives.

Iain

[CAT]

Has the world gone mad. I think we all new something was going to happen sooner or later, it has been on the cards for a while, its a pity the cowards don’t have a go at the army instead of Innocent people.Bas*****.

[Nigel Pugh]

Iain,

Didn’t mean for it to seem like I thought it was linked with today, just a observation.

One thing though, feelings probably will be running high in Bradford now because of what happened today.

Just for the record, I’m right behind what Marcella and Simon has said and even more so what you have not said Simon.

Nigel

[Roy Roberts]

Lets Here It For The EMERGENCY SERVICES.

As always in our history when the sh*t hits the fan you can rely on our,

AMBULANCE, FIRE & (When not on speed camera duty’s) our POLICE.

From what I have seen on the news both here and the more graphic Far Eastern News they deployed and carried out their duties not really knowing what they were going into with up most professionalism.

WELL DONE LADS.

[Marcella Ross]

I’ll join you there! They have got a God awful job to do today and as you say they’re dealing with it in the most professional manner. It seems as if it’s being dealt with in a relatively calm manor considering.
I had misfortune of being involved in the Lockerbie Disaster when I was in the Force, and believe me, the horrors these cops and ambulance and fire service guys will be seeing will live with them forever.

[Simon Clayton]

Its not that far fetched, being the bradford anniversary….Where do these people come from, who looks after them while there here?? the shoe bomber Richard Reed was born and breed here (he should have been hung by now, all the proof is there), so they could well be British born…
What is the difference between yobs rioting and terrorists? not much if the truth be known.

Simon

[Vince Francis]

33 dead! Guess no-one really needs to say more. I feel for all those involved.

I know its been said, the emergency services were 1st class, i don’t think they get praised enough in times like this. I always wondered if all the pretend scenario’s were just for show, well i was totally wrong, it proved today just how well trained they are.

I just hope mindless thugs don’t start a race thing. Just because there are Muslims living here, it does not mean they are in agreement with mindless murders of innocent people. I am not sure what they hope to achieve? Never has acts like this over time ever broke the spirits of the public in this country!

I hope those responsible are found soon, only fear is our Justice system is not harsh enough!

Only my thoughts

Vince

[Hugh Potter]

[ok, this is my personal view, no-one elses, i dont include ‘everyone’ that belongs to certain groups etc, but i’m prob guilty of generalising before anyone jumps o me !!]

i have pal who’s design offices are above regent st, they’re all ok but well shaken and tearful,

another mate works in some top bod office managing city of london transport (trains/tubes/buses etc) and is now right in the thick of it trying to organise things, the carnage he’s described to me is numbing.

now….

i’m seriously biting by tongue here, it’d only be modded anyway, but i’m seething at this, soon as i found out (ie switched on the tv at 1.30 ish) i was just so angry that they do this in our country, for years i’ve supported closing the borders to immigrants (and before anyone defends them, i use the term loosely, take it to mean foreign extremists be they arabs, muslims or whatever).

we are just far to lax with who we let into this country, the time must now be upon us to do something other than argue the toss over id cards,

i for one would not care if i was trackable by satellite if i had an id card, they should be used at tolls too, no cardy, no get thruey, you nicked my son ! if one has nothing to hide, one should not fear an id card, this country has been left open to this kinda thing for ages,

and now these COWARDLY arabs from al qaeida (or whatever jibberish spell it right) have attacked US, even the gerry’s didn’t manage it by this means, how has it all come to this,

The IRA used to send warnings before an attack, in my eyes that makes them Civilised, something which these arab/muslim extremist terrorists will never be. be welcomed into heaven by their gods ?? i doubt it, i’ll pour petrol down one day from heaven when they’re still burning in hell.

my tongue hurts now, even biting it as little as i did, but i just so seriously angry over this.

btw, I am glad that as few have been killed as this, it could be much worse, imagine if they’d done it with bigger devices in the middle of victoria or paddington stations, would of been so much worse,

they want war ???? let’s go (:) .

right, i’m calming now…. just

I’m glad ya’ll ok, the emergency services and those who are dealing with the aftermath of this are doign an excellent job, these guys won’t stop blighty !!! time we stopped playing cricket by the rules.

i do hope it doesnt kick off riots anywhere, but expect it will,

bah, said too much, laterz

1…………. 2………….. 3…………….. 4…………………….. 5…………. ok, calmer now !

[Simon Clayton]

Well Said Drag on…

That i feel is the trouble with this country no one will stand up and fight back, everyone is scared to say anything because they will be branded racist

Racism is not a one way street, people in this country are one of the fairest nations about… Look at all the people that supported the live 8 concert and how many are protesting at Gleneagles to try and help stop poverty…. how many in the crowd did you see from ethnic backgrounds (everyone had a fair chance at getting tickets), how many ethnic bands did you see, not that many, bit different to the support they give to the Nottingham carnival

I think it’s time to take the gloves off and fight Back close our boarders DNA tested & finger printed everyone, and start rounding up the undesirables and slinging them out… One labour MP said the other week that 1 in 4 immigrants now staying here are illegal….
I’ve been born and breed in London, have a black raster foster brother, who is like a blood relation, and many other races as good friends, i wouldn’t call my self rascist, but am fed up with many people using it as a all out clause..

Simon

[Marcella Ross]

Phew! Glad I’m not the only one with those ideals!!!!! Pat on the back for Drag-on and Simon for being up front about the whole sorry mess that we’re in.

I think all those men who battled for our country in the 1st and 2nd world wars would be turning in their graves at the total lack of respect the this government has for our country. Whatever happened to go old ‘Great Britain’, we’re not allowed to be patriotic any more, we must ‘multi bloody cultural’!!!! Well look what that’s done for us!

[Vince Francis]

quote :

i wouldn’t call my self rascist, but am fed up with many people using it as a all out clause..

Could not have said better myself!

[simonb]

we’ll lets face it nothing gonna happen because of these bombs. nothing in england is going to change especially if its got to do with race etc. the moment anyone says anything a push comes from the other direction which cancells the first positive step. reading about the little girl who was killed by a pedeophile about 5 years ago (sarah i think) lots of changes were to be made etc. but in the paper the girls mum said nothing had changed. sex offender could live next door and the police woulnt (couldnt) tell you (data protection act). it’s time they made white van man (opps woman, gotta be pc or else!!!!!!) leader of the country to get obvious things fixed. why dont we have phone votes like on “stars in there eyes” to get resuls quickly rather then having a referendum in 2 years about it. i was going to vote indepence party this year as well ,(did’nt bother in the end as apathy set in weeks befor) as uk dosent make the laws nowadays its brussels. i think they said in their liturature 9/10 are made there. i still see this country as great but it slipping into the c**p all the time. i hope the olympics brings back some pride and belief we can do things, as for what i can see we all feel hopless in a contry we live in. ps for the aussie out there. my dad emergrated and came back 15 years later he say anyone coming into england should show alegience for that country like they do in australia and america.

[Peter Normington]

Any needless loss of life is very sad, The bombings in london have nothing to do with immigrants or race though. A large proportion of this proud country is made up by “immigrants” who are quite often more patriotic towards great britain than some who are born and bred here.
ID cards will not make any difference, Terorists are quite often members of society untill the commit their act of atrocity.
Untill the people of the world can accept each other as human beings, then I’m afraid this sort of thing will go on, as it has for centuries.
Power, greed and religion are the causes, not the average man on the street, be he black white or yellow. I am not being sexist either, Women rareley promote violence.
Before and after 9/11 thousands of innocent people have been killed. I just hope that one day we can actually learn to live with each other.

Peter

[elitesigns]

the bombings are nothing to do with race????
how many born and bred british people, and i mean true british not just born here, do you see blowing themselves up.
its fairly obvious that the terrorists are usually of the muslim variety.
its very much down to race and religion, and i despise the cowardly pieces of crap who take part or support anything to do with mindless acts such as today.
but as its been said nothing will be done, we’ll just have to bow down and let them have there way, because no ones got the balls to stand up to them.

[Peter Normington]

So the ira were racists then.
Dont confuse religion with race,
germans are a race so are the british, either can also be muslim.
Peter

[Simon Clayton]

I believe it has everything to do with race,
Look at every country in the world, where the most horrendous crimes against humanity and corruption are, middle east, africa and the like..

Do you know why Madrid was bombed?? because it was once a supposed muslim home land that was taken from them centuries ago, and that was their revenge, how fair was that….

If it was a Christian group of terrorist that did this in their countries, they would have been burning every non asian and church they could find by now, yet we just sit back and do nothing..

How can we be a proud nation, when your not even allowed to celebrate St Georges day or put out a Union Jack, or sing bar bar black sheep..coz your classed as racists.

Simon

[elitesigns]

there are a lot of british muslims now, buts thats only because this country has let so many in.
i agree with your terminolgy of race, but when someone is accused of being racist does it imply we don’t like the germans, spanish etc..

no its usually someone who’s not white using it as an excuse to get there way. how many times does a middle east muslim get accused of being racist for not agreeing with our ways… never

i’m not racist, but it pisses me off that they come to how country and can’t live like us, they’ve got to change to suit themselves.
if they don’t like the western way of life, what the hell are they doing here….reason coz this stupid government pays the best state hand outs.

immigrants will go through hell to get here, passing through many beautiful countries along the way, but they come to england for freebies.

[Peter Normington]

All I’m saying is do not generalise.
That is the cause of all this turmoil in the world.
People every where are mostly just interested in making enough to survive Not long ago all germans were the bad guys, Its wrong to assume that all the people in a country hate the rest of the world. Are you against muslims, catholics, arabs indians pakistanis Croatians or the french. Can you define a “true Brit” would he be a kelt, a roman dane or a viking, all have been to this isle and integrated, That is why our culture is so rich and diverse.
Peter

[Peter Normington]

quote elitesigns:

i’m not racist, but it pisses me off that they come to how country and can’t live like us, they’ve got to change to suit themselves.
if they don’t like the western way of life, what the hell are they doing here.

I think this quote says that you are?

[elitesigns]

i thought our fathers, grandfathers fought for a free country and free speech.
or was just until the country was overrun with every race and religion possible.

if think i’m racist then so be it.

but it is my view that middle eastern religious scum should not be allowed in this country.

[John Singh]

Just to inform you my wife is OK
She works at the UK Sport Government office directly opposite Russell Square

She’s the Health and Safety officer and she had to order the evacuation of the offices!

My little workshop has been used all day as a contact point. I’ve only just this minute (10.00pm) been able to get to my computer as she has had to account for all staff by email

A close friend of ours works in the BMA a short distance from Russell Square: and she is fine although she had to back later in the day to retrieve her keys so that she could get into her flat

Arthur: (the other signwriter) is visiting a friend in hospital who was caught up in the BMA blast. (suffered cuts and bruises)

It has been hectic in London with Emergency vehicles Ambulances Police tearing down the roads.

Police were piling into rental vans and even using private cars to deal with the situation

I turned on the news this morning to catch up on the travel because I was just going to catch the train into Liverpool Street and then onto Regent Street.

I think Londoners have conditioned their minds to not ‘if’ but ‘when’

John

[Peter Normington]

John,
Glad to hear you and yours are ok
Must have been quite a traumatic day for you, even though you were expecting it to happen.
Hope it dosnt affect you to much, and Hope it dosnt escalate
Peter

[Shane Drew]

I am not racist at all. But I am curious why musleums, claiming persecution in their own land, nearly always flee to a christian country?

We have a lot of musleums coming into our country too. They openly declare that our christian faith is evil, and are active in spreading their own ‘faith’. Essentially I don’t really have a problem with that either, as religous freedom is something that we are all entitled too, but any faith that teaches matyrdom if they take out as many ‘evil’ believers they can with their own life, is nothing short of satanic.

No wonder they flee to a ‘safer’ environment.

[Johnny Taylor]

My thoughts are with all of you effected. My Dad was a London lad and I spent lots of years there, feel like my old home town has been attacked. The fear is now the fall out from this could be nasty. As mentioned in previous posts, the emergency services are the hero’s of the moment.
Johnny

[Nicola McIntosh]

great to hear you & your wife are okay john…ed & i were thinking about you both today 😀

nik

[Shane Drew]

That is good news John.

Take care of the missus mate,

Cheers

[Andy Gorman]

Glad to hear you and your lot are all safe John.

You know what really p1sses me off the most about these cowardly attacks; the ones who suffer are the innocent citizens who are just going about their business. We don’t decide to wage war on other countries but we’re the ones who suffer for it.

I’ve been in London, on the tube every Thurday for the last few weeks. I am so very glad I didn’t fancy going this week!

Now I just sympathise with all the poor sods who have an empty chair in their homes tonight.

[Phill Fenton]

quote Peter Normington:

Any needless loss of life is very sad, The bombings in london have nothing to do with immigrants or race though. A large proportion of this proud country is made up by “immigrants” who are quite often more patriotic towards great britain than some who are born and bred here.
ID cards will not make any difference, Terorists are quite often members of society untill the commit their act of atrocity.
Untill the people of the world can accept each other as human beings, then I’m afraid this sort of thing will go on, as it has for centuries.
Power, greed and religion are the causes, not the average man on the street, be he black white or yellow. I am not being sexist either, Women rareley promote violence.
Before and after 9/11 thousands of innocent people have been killed. I just hope that one day we can actually learn to live with each other.

Peter

I absolutely agree with you Peter.:appl: :appl: :appl:

Sadly the tabloid press in this country seem to be hell bent on stirring things up with their racist anti immigrant propoganda

[Hugh Potter]

i agree with alot of whats been said here, religion is a nightmare and has probably been the root cause of most conflicts throughout history,

Marcella, spot on Lass ! if i had my way we’d not be bothering with europe either, with the yanks help we defeated germany during two world wars and liberated the lace, and this is now what we put up with, our forfathers must be turning in their graves,

and what with that jaque shirtattack bloke going on about our food, he’s lucky he’s not munching on german sausage (not that there’s owt wrong with it ) and having no freedom at all, europe owes us BIG TIME and we let them walk all over us, no wonder these terroroists think we’re an easy touch !

we will not cower under these cowardly attacks, the so called martyrs need sorting, let em rot in jail, no and martyr like death sentence for them, oh no…… biting my tongue again before i get into trouble !

grrrrr,

there’s too much to say, and no nice way of saying it, don’t mean to offend anyone, but i’m me, i have my opinions, and they may be a little strong, pink floyd summed it up in the Wall, during the trial the teacher says “if i had had jmy way i could have flayed him into shape… but the bleeding hearts and artists……”

always a doo gooder standing up for those deemed to be persecuted, i hope they’re proud of themselves now.

[Peter Normington]

Probably a bit contraversial big G,
Having worked and travelled in most asian and m east countries, including Afganistan, Ask a resident of Kabul about cowardly attacks, The americans bombed the crepe out of them for no apparrent reason, thousands died, And did we care? Tens of thousands die every year in africa because of poverty and repressioin, If I was Bob geldoff I would be able to express myself more eloquently, I dont condem or condone just try and understand why these thing happen, Far from being cowardly, suicide bombers must ultimatly believe in what they do.
Peter

[Andy Gorman]

Peter,
Well yes actually, we did care. That’s exactly the point. How many of us actually agreed with the attacks on the people of Afghanistan and Iraq? These terrorists are attacking the general populace, many of which don’t agree with our leaders. “Never mind, fuck it, let’s just indiscriminately kill people on the tube.” T1t for tat – never solves anything.

[Nigel Pugh]

English and proud of it, racist yes I am and thats only because I’m English and living in my own country.

Who’s to blame, as said by many politics and religion, and quite correct too.

Am I sick and tired off all the PC brigade and all racist crap, well yes I am.

I think as a nation we have been pushed too far now, time to take the velvet glove off.

Simon, just as you I would like to say more but this is not the place, all I can say (and I’m not nor want to be a member) is that the BNP must have had a hell of a lot of applications today.

Nigel

[Peter Normington]

Andy
Precisely what I said, tit for tat, But when will it end? Its mostly innocent civilians that have died since 9/11, very few military,
Any country that goes to war only gets to write the history if they win.
I would rather forgive the crimes of the past and try and make the future better. Life is finite, death is eternal.
Peter

[Nigel Pugh]

Peter,

I always read your post’s and must say they are either funny or informative.

But I would rather have a eternal life than a finite a**hole trying to bomb & killing innocent people.

Nigel

[Andy Gorman]

Problem is, these are people who won’t compromise. They hate us and everything we stand for. They won’t even stand up and be counted. What we have seen today is the whole can of worms that was predicted when Afghanistan was invaded by us and the Yanks.

This will happen again, it’s going to be a long battle. Unfortunately.

[Peter Normington]

Nigel,
the majority of people that die in war are innocent, even the soldiers, they dont really sign up to die for their country, Especially if they are conscripted,

The only winners are the polititions and religious leaders, and its been a long time since any of them wielded a sword.
Peter

[Simon Kay]

Oh boy you people.

You are scary. 😥

This is a shocking event. One which should see a populace banding together. If this forum is a reflection on the general population of the UK at the moment then I’m glad to not be there.

Who has any idea who did this???? Nobody. You are all assuming. Pointing the finger at who you don’t like. Getting your blood boiling. I pity the wee Pakastani man on the corner next time you’re on the way home after a session and need apacket of smokes at 11pm.

Indescriminate racist comments will not help anything. The majority of immigrants just want to survive, like Peter said. They’ve probably come from terrible situations and just want their families to survive. I don’t blame them for coming to Britain. The reason they can is that ‘Great Britain’ invaded their country sometime in the past screwde with their history, culture and population.

What goes around comes around.

Someone kills my wife or kids, I would not rest until I’d taken positive action – whatever that may be – against those responsible. That’s a personal act. Nothing to do with religion or politics.

The a-holes who did this and 9-11 are sheep. Not just that, they are religious sheep. And they may well have been Christian not Muslim.

The sooner that people realise that religion is at the root of all this poop that we are wading around in these days – the better.

It doesn’t matter what race you are. It shouldn’t matter what religion you are – but it seems to.

If you lot turn on your neighbours – based on religion / colour / beliefs then the terrorists have won.

Please don’t buy into it. Help solve the problem not make it worse. I can’t believe that some of you are jumping up and down rattling your sabres and shouting for war. You talk of our fathers and grandfathers fighting in WW1 and WW2 and that they would be turning in their graves. I don’t think they would advocate a war, do you. They died in one. And not only that but the rigidly controlled state that some of you seem to want seems to me to be the one that our fathers and grandfathers were fighting against.

Wake up please. The people who have lost loved ones are going to need your help not your anger.

JMHO.

[Peter Normington]

Thanks scozzie,
for your more eloquent way of putting what I meant
Peter

[Vince Francis]

[quote]they dont really sign up to die for their country[/quote

Peter, they may not want to sign up to want to die, but they are in no illusion that they may have to make that sacrifice. I was in the T.A. for 7 years, and when i joined, i was told that even though i was ‘only in the TA’, i would be joining the Army, paid as a soldier, and would, if called upon, be expected to fight as a soldier. Many have been to the Gulf already, and more to go. After all, they do train you to kill.

[Peter Normington]

Vinny,
I know what you mean, but having A straw up your nose dosnt really make you look like a trained killer. 😀 ( sorry for the bit of humour in such a serious topic)
Peter

[Iain Gordon]

We could sort all this out with one word.

TOLERATION

Thats all we need

The world would be a lot safer place

Iain

[Nigel Pugh]

Peter,

Politics & Religion i do wholeheartedly agree with you, as for conscription, well I would not have minded having to do it, after all I did grow up when a clip round the ear was a good thing to have just to keep you on the straight and narrow, not like asbo’s they give out like sweets today.

Scozzie, sorry mucka but yes we did invade countries but a fair few actually benefited from English rule, you know education, employment, law & order.

No sooner we gave them sovereignty back and most at there own request, what happens, they take three steps back into the dark ages and then blame us for everything.

You know in One way I wish I was not English because of all the BS that gets thrown at us, then at the same time it just makes me more patriotic than ever before and even more angry.

Nigel

That’s just my own ranting of course, but if anyone would like to put up a poll I reckon I would not be on my own.

[Andy Gorman]

I don’t know if this has been confirmed officially, but this is from another board I’m a member of:

Officials: Unexploded Devices Discovered in London

Sources Tell ABC News Two Bombs, Evidence of Timing Devices Found
London Blast

July 7, 2005 — In what appears to be the first major break in the London terrorist attacks, U.S. authorities tell ABC News that British police have recovered two unexploded bombs in London.

In addition, British investigators say that parts of timing devices have been recovered from several of the blast sites. The unexploded devices and timing mechanisms should provide important evidence that could help determine who was behind the attacks, sources told ABC News.

Copyright © 2005 ABC News Internet Ventures

[Vince Francis]

Peter, im never to be taken seriously lol Im that loon i refered 2 on the other forum (hot)

I do understand that at a time like this, with everyone running high emotions, it is easy to point fingers. I am still to understand what is the aim of all of this? What is going to be achieved? After all, London has such a varied mix of race and culture, that if it is aimed at us ‘Westerners’, how do they know that fellow Muslims have not been among the victims? There i go, pointing the finger myself!

[Simon Kay]

Jobe mate I understand where you are coming from.

I just don’t think it helps.

[Andy Gorman]

It’s mental isn’t it? Yesterday on the Olympic coverage they were saying that London is the most culturally diverse city in the World, yet we as a nation seem to be hated. We, as a nation, are made up of pretty much every nationality and race in the World. We should be an example of tolerance and generally speaking we take people pretty much as we find them don’t we? We didn’t deserve this shit.

[Lynn Normington]

No we didn’t deserve this but who in this world deserves it? no one deserves it I think 99% of the people are normal peeps who don’t think about killing and bombing and causing hurt and grief to others they just want to live a normal life (can’t define normal but you know what I mean)
don’t know where the extremests come from but surely between all of us normal!!! people we must be able to sort it.

just my thoughts Lynn

[Iain Gordon]

I know this is a major event but what i cant understand is why the media(news channels) have given so much coverage.
To my mind they should give aan initial report and then give further reports when something new comes along.
To keep showing the same bits of film and asking so called experts why they think it happened only fuels the anger of the vigilantes amongs us.
All they seem to be doing is adding drama to what is already a dramatic situation.

Lets all stop speculateing as to whos to blame and let the authorities carry out their investigations and hopefully bring those responsible to justice

Iain

[Peter Normington]

Iain we live 30 miles from london,
it was defitatly a major issue.
Commuters were stranded and the transport and roads were at a standstill, Most people arround were in need of news updates, even if nothing else happened, without the media coverage,( which was factual rather than sensationalism) Most would have been clogging the phone lines trying to find out what was going on. I think the media covered the story properley.
Peter

[Andy Gorman]

Seeing as we have 24 hour news coverage these days, I think they feel the need to continue coverage as much as possible. SKY news have even been scrolling the names of people across the screen who are having trouble contacting their families to let them know they are OK, which is a good use of the technology available. This is a big enough news story to warrant major coverage. It is the biggest attack on our country since WWII. People want news 24 hours a day these days.

[Leigh]

I haven’t been here in a quite a while, but just wanted to “check in”
Have been thinking of you today.
My thoughts are with you and yours …… may you keep safe during these crazy times.

[simonb]

bout time we stiffined up our laws and gave the terrorists/ criminals/ vandels a hard time . life imprisonment, death penalty, deportation / tattoos on the head saying “thief” . this country is useless at justice. seems you literally have to kill someone in order for them to goto jail. mug, steal, vandalise and you get a warning. This country needs some radical solution to crime in general. seems like it could be al quida did the bombing. now that 1 eyed, 1 armed muslim who was preaching death to the infidel. why did it take so long to get him out? hopefully our laws will now change so people like that cant stay. i’m also biting my toung as i write this, as this is a great country which is getiing bogged down in it’s pc attitude towards everything. this country need a good kick up the ar** at the way it does things. vote ken livingston for prime minister. he says what he means and he at least he gets things done (even if it’s not what i like.)

[Andy Gorman]

Is that the same Ken Livingstone who described Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qarada as a “man of peace”? The same Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qarada who supports terrorist bombings? I don’t like Tony Blair, but I think I’ll stick with him for now.

[Hugh Potter]

scozzie,

with respect dude, some new euro branch of al qaeda (miss spell i know) has said that it was responsible for the attacks,

i, and i’m sure others with a similar view to mine, were not stabbing in the dark at who it was,

i agree we shuold not be angry over this, but i am, could i ask you how you’d feel if it were just 40 miles from you ? with friends who work within sight of the bus and tube bombings, glasgow perhaps ?

sorry to dissagree with ya dude, but whilst we took advantage of many countries, we did provide presperity to many other than ourselves, and like someone else has said, the request, and get their independence and then step back to the dark ages,

we should forget our colonial guilt (as other nations do theirs) and get on with making britain great again, we should not be walked over, ever.

re the bnp, i’m not a member, and nor will i be, but amongst their over the top tripe, they have some very valid points, i actually know a number of people in the bnp, and they’re among the nicest people you could meet, but like alot, they’re fed up with this countries lack of discipline etc.

assylum, btw, by international agreement, is supposed to be sought in the first ‘safe’ country reached, people do not come here for the weather ! i know several legal immigrants, russian, s/african and others, who work their nuts off for the likes of the NHS, some in skilled positions, they have o gripes about calling this their ‘home’. if ithers were the same then i’d have no problem, but many are not, i’ve had first hand experience of how the benefit system works in the favour of lazyness, ask the owners of the adelphi hotel in hastings who went from a £300k a year gross profit, to a £3.2 million net profit in just 5 years fro housing seekers, hastings, as a result, is no longer somewhere i feel happy being at night, why should i not feel safe in my own country ? the majority of the people in said hotel, were wearing better clothing than i could afford, all had mobile phones, and many were driping with jewellery, skint ?? right ! they get on minibuses at 5 am and dont come back from the chicken factory until 7pm, despite being unable (by law) to work, the employer should be shut down too !

who told me the above ??? a russian securuty guard who escorted me thru the hotel while i was installing equipment !!

when i lost my job a 6 months back, all i was entitled to was my rent and c/tax paid, and a measly £50 a week, yes mr abu hamza was reeiving the equivelent of over a million a year, go figure !!

anyways, slightly off topic ! some valid points have been raised here, many marking out the underlying problems and causes, the fact cannot be denied tho, that if our border controls were more strict, the likelyhood of this occurring would have been much lower.

god rest those killed, and may they send vengeance aplenty upon the perpertraitors.

[Robert Lambie]

john singh: glad to hear all is ok with you and the mrs mate…
to close for comfort…. 😕

[Simon Kay]

Much as I don’t really want to carry on this thread i will respond to you Drag on, also with respect. 🙂

First of all, do you believe everything you hear?

Did you believe that because someone in the Government or on TV said that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that we were justified in going in and killing people?

Funny how they still haven’t found any eh!

Secondly, Please don’t confuse my pacifism with lack of anger (if that makes any sense at all). I am angry everytime I hear of this kind of shit happening anywhere. It impacts folk like you and me, and what did we do to deserve it. We work bloody hard to survive and people turn around and do this to us. Doesn’t matter where ‘we’ are. The average normal person is shat on from varying heights all too regularly from too many different directions.

I had friends in New York and Bali. I have friends in London, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Manchester, Detroit, Houston and California. (So now you know I have 9 friends! 😀 )

Anytime this crapola happens I shrivel up. The deception and lies that ‘we’ as people are told, by the media and our respective governments always ultimately ends up with ‘us’ getting the wrong end of the poostick.

Thirdly, I agree that in some cases Colonial rule did actually benefit a country. But only in the same vein as when the Romans brought plumbing – or at least their version of plumbing.

Unfortunately it does seem to be the case that when handover was achieved many countries could not handle it and anarchy now rules. But I’ll bet that religion , greed and racism are at the core of that.

As far as the bnp are concerned I won’t even waste my breath. Over here there is a party that were compared to them led by a lady called Pauline Hanson. Don’t know if you got any coverage of her. Her party esposed the thinking that everybody and I mean everybody should be treated in the same fair way. None of this mega handout to one group and none to another based on colour. In many ways it had merit. I mix regularly with many supporters who are intelligent thinking fair minded gun toting people. 😮 Let me tell you there are some angry folk over here. Angry with colonial rule. Angry that Britain still rules them from Westminster. So they are pi$$ed with the Pomms but they are also pi$$ed with the natives ‘cos they get the government cash a lot easier than they do. And how did that little saga all start. Britain.

I said it before. What goes around comes around.

Fourthly, I think 😕 . I’m no stranger to how insane the benefit rules are both in Britain and Australia (another British legacy). They seem vastly unjust. People who really need it can’t get it and bludgers rule. Even people who are not bludgers are beggining to get into it. A guy I know used to work for a builing firm here. Took home $700 a week. Considered a sub contractor take off $200 for tax. Leaves $500. Take off $150 maintenance for his ex. Leaves $350. Out of that he paid rent ($180/month) fed the 4 kids he kept and pays bills.
He’s decided to become a house dad. He wants to be there in the morning when they wake up and wants to pick them up from school. So he quit his job. He is about $350 a week better of now that he is not working.

Insane.

You are probably right that if Britains border controls were more strict the likelyhood of this happening would have been much lower.

However if countries and peoples had treated each other with more respect and less sabrewaving hoo ha in the past then perhaps the tit-for- tat b*llshit would not be SO deep now.

Lastly, I’m sure that those innocent people killed yesterday who are probably made up of all religions and races, from wherever they are sitting now seeing the big picture would not want any more blood spilt in their names.

This is as always just my opinion in response to a subject on a forum afforded us because people died for freedom of speech.

Kind of stupid, eh. Millions of people died so that I can let you know what I think.

Anyway I hope that your loved ones are safe and sound. Be cool.

[Marcella Ross]

To Scozzie and Peter,

I’d just like to say that the anger I vented yesterday on this subject was aimed at the british government, not a race of people. There is no getting away from the fact that race, religion and most of all greed are at the core of every war. This will never change it’s been that way since time began and nothing we do can will ever change that…. not a chance. It would be niave of us to think that preaching peace would work …. unfortunately.
However, if our government here would find the balls to deal with ILLEGAL immigrants then perhaps what happened yesterday may not have occurred. Or at least less likely to occur. We are not being narrow minded in pointing the finger in the direction of muslim extremists, it’s been said and it will be proved. We saw it happen in Madrid, Bali, New York….
We live in this country now, hardly a proud nation but a nation that is being told to lose it’s Britishness and become more multicultural, I’m certain if I moved to Kabul I wouldn’t expect to be treated with kid gloves and on government hand outs. Although I would probably get less grief for flying a St Andrews flag or a union jack!!!!!
I think it’s easy for many to say forgiveness and tolerance is the key but as I said before, I witnessed horrors of the Lockerbie bombing first hand and it’s most certainly not easy to forgive.

We must as a country be proud of our roots and be allowed to celebrate it. We must take serious control of our borders and get a grip on reality, most asylum seekers are poor b*ggers who are fleeing persecution and they do need help. But as, I think Drag On said, the rule is that the must seek asylum in the first safe country. They travel through several then get a boat here! All because Westminster treat them better than they do us!

[Rod Gray]

Good post Marcella, spot on.

[Roy Roberts]

Just returned from Bank,

Its sobering as well as F***ing annoying to see the everyday BRITISH person going about his business.

Example: Right on the T Junction sits a lady in her 50s in her car broken down.
I am about vehicle number 8 behind, in front are the everyday REP,DELIVERYMAN,DRIVER etc. all going through a garage forecourt or cutting up vehicles on the other side of the road to get by.
They dint have one bit of concern for the person in front, Why! is it because its raining I dint know, I just blocked the whole road with my van and proceeded to help her and push her vehicle into a safe spot.

I THINK ENOUGH HAS BEEN SAID.

[Jayne Marsh]

It seems that the terrorists have achieved exactly what they want, maximum destruction, maximum media coverage and maximum disruption, I expect they are feeling very happy with themselves. Whoever did it, we should not be arguing amongst ourselves, we should be banding together to help stop this kind of wanton destuction. We are stronger and hopefully wiser people than these terrorists and they will not defeat us. There will be evil people and organisations in any country intent on death and destuction, it’s just that some countries are more fanatical than others.
I don’t really agree with the amount of immigrants coming into our country as it dilutes our british society or in my case the welsh society, we should be proud of who we are, I know the welsh are very proud of their heritage and after living here for a number of years I can understand why.
Just a few of my thoughts on what is a very delicate subject. My thoughts and sympathies go out to all those involved in this desperate tradgedy

[Dave Springate]

Well said Jem !

[Simon Clayton]

Job and Drag on have said it in their last post i feel….
Very well put Marcella..

We need to ask ourselves why all these people want to come to the UK??
We are a soft touch, they can get free housing, benefits and work cash in hand, and our justice system is lax. Why can’t these people be put in detention centers while their case’s are being heard, If i were fleeing persecution, i wouldn’t mind living in a brand new cell, more luxuries than i could ever dream of, carpets TV satellite free meals, drink, Education??
I’m also sick of people saying, but they do all the crap jobs, I remember watching a documentary on a trained doctor from Jamaica, doing a crap job driving the buses in the 60’s, he was earning 10 times the amount here and sending half his money back home, so not that crap a job when you think about it….. I would have people working for their benefits doing jobs that needed doing, and if they didn’t like that job maybe they would try and better themself, or get no benefits

Iraq, Iran… We invaded, Helped? whatever

These countries have killed and mutilated millions of its own population far more than Hitler did his population in Germany,
So why was it OK to wage war on Hitler who tortured and killed and not on Iraq??
Europe weren’t against us when it came to liberating them from Germany did they.

I think we are a very tolerant society, but its now time to shut our boarders, recall all of our troops (coz everyone thinks we are invaders trying to steel their wealth), and start sorting out our problems..

Stop giving money to Europe and Africa, and look after our own. My Nan was giving money, clothes etc to help with relief in Africa 80 years ago when she was a little girl.. but most goes on corrupt governments, yet if we sent troops in to take the governments out we would be hero’s for a few months then they would be attacking us… You just can’t win..

Trouble is Jem, if we /government don’t do something fast they will win, and have been since 9/11, they have Richard Reed in jail, 100% proof he was going to blow up a plane, he will live in luxury for maybe 20 years then let out, he should have been hung or better still beheaded in the new wembley stadium on telly.. what was that politician said in the 60’s, our street would run with blood..

Simon

[Marcella Ross]

.. what was that politician said in the 60’s, our street would run with blood..

Simon[/quote]

That would be Enoch Powell!

[Jayne Marsh]

Simon,
at least hes locked up, if you want to preach public beheading or hanging then that makes us no better than those who capture and kill for publicity or who explode bombs. I dont know what the answer is and I dont think any of us do except to keep trusting in those who work for our good in trying to track down and get rid of terrorism.

[Hugh Potter]

scozzie,
respect dude ! i think we’re probably not a million miles off each others track, i just get carried away !!

Simon C, duuuuude !! yeah.

dunno what to say really, i know what i’m thinking, but once i start typing it my fingers will write what they please as the red mist falls !!

reckon we said it all !

politics and religion start wars, mugs like us have to fight em, simple !

[Simon Clayton]

Jem, no i didn’t mean it that way, it was meant to be a metaphor… That is how they treat there own, we help them and are then turn upon.
But when you look back at how server the punishment was, there was law and order

Simon

[Simon Clayton]

Just see this on another web site…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4662809.stm say no more????

Simon

[Hugh Potter]

just another reason to flog the greedy selfish profiteering gits that pretend to care, brown ought to impose a 150% tax on profiteering like that, maybe then people would stop ripping people off !

[Peter Normington]

I wasnt going to say any more,
but here goes anyway.
Bigotted racist, and uninformed opinions only add fuel to the fire,
That is why these people do what they do, cant you see that you (in general tems) are behaving just as predicted?. and are just as brainwashed as the terorists.
“lets go out and kill the Btards” That will solve all the problems then won’t it.
Thats what the ” terrorist” is thinking So how can we stop it?
The people who do these atrocious things are actually very passionate in what they believe in. Some people in his country voice their opinions, but are not really willing to stand by there convictions.
Personally I would rather poke my own eye out than hurt a fellow human.
And as for revenge, it may be sweet, but then very bitter if the other party believes they are right, and they want it also.
50 or so people killed in london is very, very sad, 1 is too many, but in the overall scale of things, is not many. The americans have killed far more in iraq by “accident” So from the other side it is not hard to see why they want revenge.

To Kill is not the way forward, I am not on anyones side, exept joe public.
Goverments and religions both promote death and destruction.
Trust me. Its very hard to look someone in the eye and pull the trigger, no matter what colour or religion they are

[Peter Normington]

btw simon
Did you vote? and if so who for?
Peter

[Peter Normington]

quote Drag-On:

just another reason to flog the greedy selfish profiteering gits that pretend to care, brown ought to impose a 150% tax on profiteering like that, maybe then people would stop ripping people off !

Just remember that when somone calls you on a friday night and wants a sign for monday, you will of course work your wekend for your normal rates, Just supply and demand,
And if the emergency services had asked you to supply “do not enter, suspected bomb” signs, you would hve done them for free?

[Peter Normington]

Oh and by the way, remember all those ww2 films of east enders, down the tube stations? sheltring from the bombs, They had to pay to go down there, (It was free eventually, but not for a few years)

[Simon Clayton]

Yes i did vote; Conservative but what has that got to do with this.
From what you have just written suggests to me, you agree with what they did.. that is plain to see.

Yes the war has cost thousands of lives…. but no where near as many as sadam

Who has said take revenge, kill the bastards, what most have said is we need to stop it, No one has said kill Muslims, your talking shit, You are a perfect example of why this country is in such a fucked up state, And you condone the hotels making three times the amount of money from this, that’s fucking sick..

And yes i would do the signs for free

[Simon Clayton]

And i could quite easily pull the trigger, make no mistake

[Shane Drew]

quote Peter Normington:

Goverments and religions both promote death and destruction.

Not all religions promote death and destruction Peter.

Although it is been suggested in the past that if the pope in ww2 declared that all catholics should not go to war, there would have been a good chance that the war would have had few takers.

If the catholic and protestant leaders had declared that their followers should not kill, I wonder if Belfast would have suffered at the hands of terror for so many years.

I personally know of no scriptual basis for a christian killing anyone. Clearly some christian leaders interpret the scriptures to suit themselves, and, as has been stated by many musleum leaders here, musleum leaders do the same. The Taliban is an example of this. It does not mean that these leaders, christian or non christian are right.

Tolerance is the key here, as someone mentioned earlier. Personaly I think this thread has run its course.

Everyone here is entitled to their opinion. It is healthy, I think, to express views. But I am not sure that the path this thread hss taken is that healthy now.

Cheers
Shane

[Jayne Marsh]

Shane,
I agree with you on this one, this thread has turned rather nasty 😥

[John Singh]

I just like to say thanks to everyone for your concern
It is still quite hectic in London as you know as some are still being pulled out of the wreckages

I learnt today that a friend of ours was on the number 30 bus on the top deck at the time of the explosion. He was thrown into the air and landed on someone who was dead.

He was taken to hospital with cuts and bruises plus perforated ear drums
The good news is that he was discharged today and he able to walk and talk. I guess he can count himself extremely fortunate in the circumstances.

Friends say that he is very calm and seems to be dealing with it well
(although I believe this is the body’s natural reaction and that later he may have trauma)

My wife has just received an email from the building management saying that its likely that no access will be possible to her work place on Monday due to the police cordening of the area

Sometimes we have to switch off the news
I took my wife out for a drive today
Nowhere in particular! Just to get out of the house

John

[Marcella Ross]

John,

I am desperately sorry you and your family are suffering from these atrocities. I hope you and your wife and your friend all come through this will no lasting effects.

For anyone in the Birmingham area, on hearing the latest news flash, I hope that there is no repeat of Thursdays horrific events.

Take care,
Marcella.

[Hugh Potter]

Peter,
profiteering is a little different to charing a little extra to do something at very little notice, and to cover the cost of my missing a weekend with my kids,

these hotelliers are open 24/7 anyways, to charge so much really is crimnal, i might add £50 or so for £300 weekend job, but i ouwld turn a £80 job into a £250 job if it was my ‘normal’ hours anyways, i’d be glad of the work,

free signs for the services ? in that situation yeah, i would. i do too many fre signs out of left overs for mates anyways, so a few for them wouldn’t worry me if it weren’t gonna hurt me !

as for reactions to terorism, i know i am probably acting as they want, tho i’m not panicking, and rarely do in mad situations, and whilst i do feel for those who have lost close ones, it is only a drop in the ocean if you compare it , for example, to the first day at the somme, perspective is required i think.

i have bitten my tongue throughout this thread, i tend to type before i really think about it, and say more than i want to, i often think differently to how i actually react. but, that said…. whilst i am not a violent person, i would not have any prob in taking up arms and fighting for my country, be it civil war, revolution or protecting this country, i am fiercely proud of my / britians heritage, proud and yet sad at the way hundreds of thousands gave their lives to protect our way of life both 90 and 60 years ago in the two great wars, and maybe, just maybe, if more people gave a damn, gave somerespect, and remembered these sacrifices made for us, then this country might not be in the ‘roll over and take it’ type farcical mess that it is in today,

have a good weekend…. leaving by the back door now 😳