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Thank you Gordon Brown,
i can now sleep better at night, knowing that following another budget, i’ll be even poorer for owning a car,
if i have this right, someone who can afford the most up to date, fuel efficient car on the planet, will pay no road tax,
the next band up will pay only £40,
then there’s the everyday cars (90% of the population) at £170,
and now, for the top bracket, which my used £2,000 4×4 now falls in, will be £210,
why ? if i use more fuel, do i not already pay more tax ? my car takes up no more room than a volvo estate (stn wagon), and uses about the same amount of deisel as a 15yr old 2ltr !
this has come about because of the vehicles popularity. sure, those who have new £50k range rovers etc can afford it, but what about the older cars ? or those of us who need on ? why lump them in with those who only have one to look good at tesco’s or on the school run ?
as for the rest of it, svings accounts for kids born ? the only people that benefits is those who will have enough money to plough into it regularly, it wont help those on the breadline, who need it most.
grrrr,
thank you mr brown.
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I too run a 4×4 it sickens me. What about a fiat Panda 4×4 do they pay extra too … 😮 or a four wheel drive Audi saloon etc?????? Well, you’re right about one thing Hugh, it’s because they are becoming far more popular and it’s just another way of robbing us.
I object to the ‘gas guzzling’ tag that they give us….. my friend drives a 5 litre v12 BMW 750i!!!!!! That thing gets 10 to the gallon and it’s not under the same bracket…? I get 35 to my gallon of diesel 🙁three cheers for Mr Brown ……. 👿
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oooh, i think i’ve just heard that it only applies to new vehicles, still, it only applies to those who can afford them anyways, Hey Pete 😉 😉
it is sick though, it’s the majority that get screwed, not the ‘earning’ elite., ironic thing is, my old race car was street legal, and would do betweem 4mpg and 1gpm depending how it was driven, yet i was tax exempt !
btw, i’m getting a little de-ja-vous, our bin men are on strike this week !
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quote Hugh Potter:ironic thing is, my old race car was street legal, and would do betweem 4mpg and 1gpm depending how it was driven, yet i was tax exempt !
….. well, that says it all Hugh doesn’t it……. and I bet the emissions weren’t great either :lol1:
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lol, they were actually quite good, the engine was extremely efficient at burning up the fuel, was about the same as your average 2ltr ! but the principle is the same, a big engine doesnt mean it’s a big poluter,
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My wife was in an accident yesterday when a runaway horse ran into the front of her. She drives an old Range Rover and even though it has a monster bull bar on the front the horse has done a lot of damage. I dread to think what would have happened if she had been driving a super-duper fuel efficient Toyota Prius.
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Thats the problem Marcella round here the Chelsea Tractor is becoming a status symbol every morning I have to play chicken for a mile with the mums taking there babes to private school….. (:) must admit though they soon know a P Reg Berlingo Van ain’t worried about a scratch. Oh I do love to see that shiny Porsche Tractor bail at the last minute.
Local to me I have a Bentley dealership and some of those tanks are far more intimidating than a Range Rover and surely cause way more wear and tear to road surfaces & drink more fuel as you said Marcella.
And as 4 emissions well thats a load of old whatsit, many onwer maintained vehicles are in far better shape even if they are 15 or 20 years old. Mr Mondeo rep who thrashes the nuts off his drive every day usually kicks out way more crap in pollution as he skips past his service intervall.
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quote John Childs:My wife was in an accident yesterday when a runaway horse ran into the front of her. She drives an old Range Rover and even though it has a monster bull bar on the front the horse has done a lot of damage. I dread to think what would have happened if she had been driving a super-duper fuel efficient Toyota Prius.
John that’s the very thing that made me buy the car I drive. A good few years ago I had a Vauxhall Carlton that was written off by a 40 footer on the M8 whilst I was behind the wheel. It hit me 3 times spinning me around and leaving the car crumpled! If i’d been driving a little ‘city’ car, I wouldn’t be here today! 😕
I hope your wife is OK.
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quote John Childs:I dread to think what would have happened if she had been driving a super-duper fuel efficient Toyota Prius.
… she would have electrocuted the horse :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
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i personally feel, that if they want to do something about the so called ‘chelsea tractors’, then they ought to ban them from certain areas at certain times, that would sort out those who need and those who need not have them, it would also stop much of the congestion and polution in the big city centres,
i really dont think people shold have them without a reason, i can easily justify all the 4×4’s i’ve had, most people i know, could not !
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quote Hugh Potter:i really dont think people shold have them without a reason, i can easily justify all the 4×4’s i’ve had, most people i know, could not !
Not sure that I quite agree with you there Hugh. I fail to see why I should have to justify my mode of transport to anybody.
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fair point john, but i think common sense should come into it a bit, if i lived in the middle of the busy congested city and had only one kid, then it would make more sense to drive aroundin a smart car, many of these people,ok, i’ll say it, school run mums n dads, carry only one or two kids, just as their neighbours do, and their neighbours neighbour, why don’t they pool the kids ? a seven seater can take 6 kids, so why only put two in there !
i had to buy another for many reasons, partly work, partly cos i tow big traailers, and partly cos there’s seven of us, a people carrier wouldnt cope with most of my requirments, it will also save us polluting the isle of white with two cars this year,
i just dont see what good it does to charge us more for tax, or the efficient ones less, we all use the roads, and all pay the same tax on fuel, infact i’d put the higher tax on the air burners cos they contribute bugger all to the tax pot with their once a week trip to church !
if the money went into proper school buses like in the states, then fine, but it wont, it wont even go into repairing our busted up roads !
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I happen to be a very proud owner of a Toyota Prius, not one of these macho, oooooh look at my 4×4 status symbol brigade who think the world should be grateful that they are burning fossil fuels at a rate far greater than anyone else.
Thank you Gordon Brown for looking after those who do try and make some contribution to saving the planet.
I’m sure when there’s no electricity coming out your power sockets to run your cutters, plotters and computers, fridges and TV’s you might think about what you could have done to contribute to the effort.
There are places for 4×4’s and that isn’t city centres, off road parking or on school runs.
People really need a kick up the arse to help them realise the effects of global warming and the prospects of a diminishing fuel reserve.
Mark
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quote Hugh Potter:i personally feel, that if they want to do something about the so called ‘chelsea tractors’, then they ought to ban them from certain areas at certain times, that would sort out those who need and those who need not have them, it would also stop much of the congestion and polution in the big city centres,i really dont think people shold have them without a reason, i can easily justify all the 4×4’s i’ve had, most people i know, could not !
I can’t justify any of the cars I’ve owned except a 1.0 fiesta. I don’t NEED a 180bhp saloon – but I want it! I don’t WANT 17(bad day)mpg – but I’ve got it. I can’t see the point in ‘road tax’ anyway, except the motorists are an easy, available source of revenue.
Got road tax this month anyway. £193!!! That’s three tanks of fuel! :lol1:
I did think it funny when the ‘greenies’ were littering/vandsalising any and all 4×4’s with their little stickers & flyers in Perth. eg. 1.6 Vitara….stickered. Parked next to a 4.2 Jag…..em, not stickered. What did they arrive in? – an elderly diesel transit minibus, oh, the irony.
quote mark shipley:Thank you Gordon Brown for looking after those who do try and make some contribution to saving the planet.We (signmakers) operate a potentially environmentally unfriendly business unless we recycle like mad. Vinyls – we throw away our weedings, backing liners & application tape. The plastics we use are non-biodegradable to the extreme and use huge amounts of petrochemicals to produce. Granted, we’re not putting these into watercourses of contaminating food supplies – but the wastes / impact can be enourmous if unchecked. ps. Do you recycle you’re waste & separtate the components into paper/plastic/metals? I don’t (shame mode), but would honestly like to find a use for eg. the paper liner that we collectively dump literally hundreds of rolls of. NOT finger pointing – just point making 🙂
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Like all things political I guess there are lots of sides to freedom of vehicle choice – Many of us no doubt use to walk to school, perhaps stopping us from being over weight. Perhaps causing less congestion & less accidents outside the school gates. It always amazes me, take Jonny to School in the tank and park on the double yellows outside School so Jonny can run out between the tanks as he crosses the road. Good logic.
Life has changed with both parents out in the workplace I guess……….or maybe we let it. I can’t see that we can have things boths ways………kill the village shop…..and try and reduce cars on the road. Seems only 1 piece of the puzzle is ever looked at, not the wider picture.
Well I will soon have a nice new local ish Tesco’s………….never mind every single tree on the site had a TPO on it and dissapeared over night.
Guess it will be a long wait for a politician who actually has the b*lls to stand up and say what is said in the local pub…………lmao
Perhaps when the politicians lead from the front and dont do 2 Miles in a 4.2Ltr Jag then the rest of us may be happy to follow.
Hugh was it you who got the dam soap box out……..lmao
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lol David, i could say the same about my last car, a £300 bargain basement nissan maxima, 190hp, luxury saloon, didnt need it, but had it,
however, Mark, my trooper is also my work vehicle, big signs can go on the roof, big signs can go inside without having to get out a manual to figure out one of the 648 different combinations the seats have before laying flat, i tow with it, and i have a big family, dogs etc, a people carrier or saloon car is not an option for me, as for burning fuel at a stoopid rate, i get around 25mpg on average from the trooper, it’s high mileage but has been looked after extremely well, i know 3yr old cars that are worse ! infact the peugeot turbo deisel i’ve been loaned while my trooper is in for a bit of work, is worserer than my trooper, which doesnt smoke like a pig when i floor it !
yes, there is a place for 4×4’s, and the cities aren’t the place, but i get the feeling that most of us dont live in big cities anyways,
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quote Tim Painter:if I had a £ for every time someone said to me this country has gone to the dogs I would be a rich man……….
No you wouldn’t. Not after you’d paid tax on it. 😀
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quote Mark Shipley:Thank you Gordon Brown for looking after those who do try and make some contribution to saving the planet.And putting a few quid on road tax is going to save the planet? Do you really think it is going to put people off driving X5’s & the like. Don’t think they will be too much put off by an extra quid a week.
It’s all about the money. Nothing to do with the enviroment. Plus trying to win a few votes.
Do you believe the 9p on a pack of ciggs is going to make the nation healthier too?
My vote will go to anybody that sees a car as essential not a luxury 👿
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I always recon the way round this is to get rid of the road Tax and put it onto fuel, you automatically get the tax of the heavy users and the fuel hungry vehicles and if you have a car that does zillions of mpg then your a winner.
My Peugeot 806 is crap on fuel, 35mpg out of a diesel 2wd, again it’s a stand in for a dedicated van and family car but even so my dads old tranny used to do better on fuel.
My father – in – law bought a classic bus from down near lands end in Cornwall a couple of years ago, it could only do 38mph max, his wife followed all the way back to Cumbria in the Discovery at the same speed. She got 60+ mpg out of it.
Steve
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Just more ways of fleecing the motorist…
Philosophy seems to be:
“If you can afford to either buy or run a larger vehicle – tax ’em”
“If you don’t want to abide by the ’60s Morris Minor speed limits – fine ’em” *
“If you think you can be more frugel running a diesel – make it more expensive (for an inferior product)”Want to do your bit for the environment? Then don’t fly off to warmer climes anymore. Aviation pollution is almost on a par with land based emmisions – I believe what ‘your’ 757 dumps (full fuel load 34,000kg) out in single a trip to florida might have more bearing on global pollution than a couple of thousand extra 4×4’s pottling around..
Me, I’m off to Canada next month to visit the in-laws….gobal warming, or no global warming. 🙄
* Got a clean licence.
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Seem to remember that when they stopped all flights in America for the few days after the Twin towers there was a recorded drop in temperature, not sure if they have disproved the connection to civil aviation or not.
Steve
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quote Stephen Morriss:I always recon the way round this is to get rid of the road Tax and put it onto fuel, you automatically get the tax of the heavy users and the fuel hungry vehicles.Steve
Steve,
you have forgotten one main thing there….. about the big engine fuel guzzlers……………………………HGV Artics or to be P.C. LGV’s
They are the ones who deliver 99% of everything we buy from shops, garages etc. These delivery vehicles are lucky if they average 7 mpg.So, simple maths tell me that put the fuel tax up for fuel guzzlers & we ALL pay through the nose for everything we buy or use.
L J
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Well pointed out john.
Best way would be put it on fuel, but allow rebates to haulage companies like they do for psv’s.
Any way I just collected my new 4×4 today, I cant justify the 4×4 bit. because its to nice to take off road (not for a while anyway)
I have akways wondered why land over, nissan toyota etc dont make 2 wheel drive versions for the posers? the 4wd bit is not utilised on the school run is it? in bad weather the kids stop at home anyway
Peter
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Is the Navara in the higher Tax band Peter? The L200 isn’t :lol1:
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quote Brian Hays – Impact:Is the Navara in the higher Tax band Peter? The L200 isn’t :lol1:
dont know dont care really. If I was worried about a couple of quid a week, compared with the total running costs, I would be buying a push bike.
Did you know, some people spend £10 a week on cable tv!!!
Peter 😀
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i dont agree with putting it onto fuel, just cos i have (and have often had) cars which drink loadsa gas, doesnt mean i have alot of dosh to pay even more money at the pumps, they wouldnt stop short of adding a penny a litre would they, we’d be talking probably 5p a litre, and once again, those who can either afford X5’s or the super duper fuel efficient hybrids, will not be worried, it’ll be the majority of us who’ll be screwed over the bonnet again. at least with a one off payment you know how much you’re paying,
just imagine, 5p on a litre, you use bugger all fuel getting 2miles to work so you vote to put it onto fuel, then all of a sudden you lose your job/business and have to travel an 80 mile round trip every day, wouldnt be so chuffed about the extra then hey !!
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quote Hugh Potter:i dont agree with putting it onto fuel, just cos i have (and have often had) cars which drink loadsa gas, doesnt mean i have alot of dosh to pay even more money at the pumps, they wouldnt stop short of adding a penny a litre would they, we’d be talking probably 5p a litre, and once again, those who can either afford X5’s or the super duper fuel efficient hybrids, will not be worried, it’ll be the majority of us who’ll be screwed over the bonnet again. at least with a one off payment you know how much you’re paying,
just imagine, 5p on a litre, you use bugger all fuel getting 2miles to work so you vote to put it onto fuel, then all of a sudden you lose your job/business and have to travel an 80 mile round trip every day, wouldnt be so chuffed about the extra then hey !!
Hugh mate nobody should drive beyond there means, if you cant afford the gas or the tax, buy a more efficient car, thats what it all about. I need a large house in the country with a few thousand acres of land, but I will have to make do with what I can afford 😀
Peter
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Nothing has been said about the cars that are converted to lpg. My daily driver is a 5.3 V8 dodge van but i get the equivilent to 33 to the gallon and produce zero emissions. Where will that put the big gas guzlers if they are on lpg?
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quote Peter Normington:quote Brian Hays – Impact:Is the Navara in the higher Tax band Peter? The L200 isn’t :lol1:
dont know dont care really. If I was worried about a couple of quid a week, compared with the total running costs, I would be buying a push bike.
Did you know, some people spend £10 a week on cable tv!!!
Peter 😀
Didn’t for a moment think you were going to lose sleep over £50 😀
That’s my point earlier, it’s gonna have zero effect on the Chelsea Tractors.
Cable is cheap then Sky costs me I think about £55/month 😮
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quote Peter Normington:quote Hugh Potter:i dont agree with putting it onto fuel, just cos i have (and have often had) cars which drink loadsa gas, doesnt mean i have alot of dosh to pay even more money at the pumps, they wouldnt stop short of adding a penny a litre would they, we’d be talking probably 5p a litre, and once again, those who can either afford X5’s or the super duper fuel efficient hybrids, will not be worried, it’ll be the majority of us who’ll be screwed over the bonnet again. at least with a one off payment you know how much you’re paying,
just imagine, 5p on a litre, you use bugger all fuel getting 2miles to work so you vote to put it onto fuel, then all of a sudden you lose your job/business and have to travel an 80 mile round trip every day, wouldnt be so chuffed about the extra then hey !!
Hugh mate nobody should drive beyond there means, if you cant afford the gas or the tax, buy a more efficient car, thats what it all about. I need a large house in the country with a few thousand acres of land, but I will have to make do with what I can afford 😀
Peter
no you dont !!
where-as with my own and the stepkids, there’s 7 of us, hence a 7 seater, i need a van, but cant have the kids in it, nor can i afford or do i have space to park two vehicles, so, i have a car thats big enough for us all, and has a big enough interior and roof, that i can pretty much carry any sign i need, therefore, i need a big 4×4 type of car, simple, i need one,
i can pay the tax, and i can put fuel in it, doesnt mean i have to like it, and i think the one of tax is a better evil than an additional tax on fuel instead. do the maths !
say you get 30mpg, thats about 6 mp litre, say a litre is £1, and they add 2p a litre, you do 10,000 miles, divide by the 6ltrs gives you a total fuel of 1666.66, ie it’ll cost you £320, what if you do 20,000 miles ? double it !
not good 😉
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quote signworxs:Nothing has been said about the cars that are converted to lpg. My daily driver is a 5.3 V8 dodge van but i get the equivilent to 33 to the gallon and produce zero emissions. Where will that put the big gas guzlers if they are on lpg?
good man !!! the dodge i mean, not bothered about lpg !!!
i think lpg can claim the lower rate of tax, can it not ? wasnt mentioned in this budget though
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OK, which ever way you look at it. we all are in the same boat.
I dont want to pay more than I have to, But we all have to live within our means. Look around at the cars on any street nowadays, A good proportion are recent models, if you cant afford a £60k chelsea chariot, and most cant, then you have to look at the next best that you can, that usually means a second hand one. along with the high running costs. so The ones that buy new in the first place are doing the lower echolons ( me and Thee) a favour by allowing us to buy their cast offs?If your gas guzzler wasnt bought new then how else would you be able to afford it?
Complex subject,
We could discuss and argue all night, thing is we as individuals, are rarely in a position to change things. so we just have to adjust and get on with it.
Peter
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aye, your not wrong !
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quote John Childs:My wife was in an accident yesterday when a runaway horse ran into the front of her. She drives an old Range Rover and even though it has a monster bull bar on the front the horse has done a lot of damage. I dread to think what would have happened if she had been driving a super-duper fuel efficient Toyota Prius.
Could have been a child though John. in which case the prius driver would have felt slightly better, not doing as much damage to the kiddie?
Big dosnt mean safer?
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/60538/smart_car_crash/
Peter
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something tells me that 1 year old cars are going to hold their value!
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quote Peter Normington:Could have been a child though John. in which case the prius driver would have felt slightly better, not doing as much damage to the kiddie?
You are absolutely right Peter and if that was the case then we would be devastated. However, and this brings out my selfish streak, it is a question of relative values, and while accepting that all life is valuable I have to admit that, to me, the lives of my family are more valuable than anybody else’s and I will do all I can to protect them.
Being a tiny blonde, Jenny used to get bullied on the road all the time by Mondeo and little BMW repmobiles and was frequently put in some quite dangerous situations. That stopped the minute she started driving a tatty old Range Rover and now she feels safer and I am a lot happier.
Hurting a kiddie would haunt us for ever and I just hope that none of us are ever put in that position.
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In the scheme of things an extra £50 or so on road tax is hardly going to bother many motorists from buying a new 4X4. These things depreciate by many £1,000’s as soon as they are driven out of the showroom so for someone prepared to accept the high cost of ownership the small tax increase is hardly going to deter buyers and encourage them to buy something “greener”. More hypocrisy from the chancellor our PM in waiting. 🙄
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trouble is, the money grabbed is not going into the roads, i reckon east sussex has some of the worst roads (and infrastructure) in the country, i go to Wales, and even roads in the midle of nowhere, that have 40yr old signs on them, are in better nick than most of ours,
the money is going to fund those who dont work and who have lots of kids, it doesnt really benefit the majority, i’d soon have em all working, breaking rocks with lump hammers all day for their dole, the 15yr old mums can join in too cos i’ll supply a creche, see how long they take to find a real job then.
bah ! humbug
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quote Mark Shipley:I happen to be a very proud owner of a Toyota Prius, not one of these macho, oooooh look at my 4×4 status symbol brigade who think the world should be grateful that they are burning fossil fuels at a rate far greater than anyone else.
Thank you Gordon Brown for looking after those who do try and make some contribution to saving the planet.
I’m sure when there’s no electricity coming out your power sockets to run your cutters, plotters and computers, fridges and TV’s you might think about what you could have done to contribute to the effort.
There are places for 4×4’s and that isn’t city centres, off road parking or on school runs.
People really need a kick up the ( oh i swore ) to help them realise the effects of global warming and the prospects of a diminishing fuel reserve.
Mark
If driving you Prius makes you feel your contributing to the environment then good for you Mark. But don’t be fooled into thinking that Mr Brown is patting you on the back. He’s looking for more money to squander else where no other reason. (I do my wee bit for the environment, I have 4 different bins in my back garden where I separate paper, glass, cans and garden rubbish. Not much but probably contributes more than me changing my car)
I am one of those mothers who sits behind the wheel of a 4×4. YES, I go to Tescos for my shopping in it, NO I don’t do the school run in it. Instead my daughter climbs onto an ancient old school bus that spits out black clouds of crap and where she often sits with a scarf over her nose and mouth so she doesn’t taste the smoke that’s getting drawn back inside it through the holes in the floor!!! Tell me my car is worse than that…
Hugh – I shouldn’t have to justify my car just because it’s 4 wheel drive. Can you justify some of the big engine cars you’ve driven through the years?
I’m not going to change what I drive or feel like a leper for driving it. I drive it because I want to and I’m not ashamed of admitting that. I don’t buy designer clothes, I don’t smoke and I don’t have a busy social life. Instead my hard earned cash pays for my nice car…. we all have our own pleasures in life and mine is my 4×4.Oh…. and if I’m ever rich enough… my Merc is getting traded in for a Range Rover Vogue.
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sorry marcy, didnt mean to sound off against all 4×4 owners, i just justified why i need mine, i’d grant you yours urely for having to get snowed in as much as you lot do,
i do think alot of people simply have them as a status symbol though, the insurance is stupid on them because of the school run bumps and knocks ! not because they get nicked alot or owt else, but cos some people shold be in micra’s and thats the end of it !!
btw Marcella, stick to the merc, i’ve had several rangerovers up to a 1995 4.6L, and after having jap 4×4’s, i’d never touch another rangerover !!
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quote Hugh Potter:…….btw Marcella, stick to the merc, i’ve had several rangerovers up to a 1995 4.6L, and after having jap 4×4’s, i’d never touch another rangerover !!
Nice big LWB Pajerro or Trooper…mmmmm tasty.
I’d get one in a flash (4×4) for the fun of it – and being able to get home when it snows without having to dig, but it’d lack the ‘sportyness’ and relative luxury I like the other 360 days of the year.
As for engine size, my current 2.5 is nowhere near powerful enough for my liking, but waaaay over my genuine needs. I like not having to overly plan overtakes, and like leaving a chavved-out nova/corsa for dust when I hit the NSL. And I’m prepared to (and do) pay the cost at the pumps & in insurance, thankfully I’ve still got all my NCB or I’d be over £1.5k. Ouchy!
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quote Hugh Potter:sorry marcy, didnt mean to sound off against all 4×4 owners,
the insurance is stupid on them because of the school run bumps and knocks !I know you didn’t mean it Hugh! 😉
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quote David Rogers:quote Hugh Potter:…….btw Marcella, stick to the merc, i’ve had several rangerovers up to a 1995 4.6L, and after having jap 4×4’s, i’d never touch another rangerover !!
Nice big LWB Pajerro or Trooper…mmmmm tasty.
I’d get one in a flash (4×4) for the fun of it – and being able to get home when it snows without having to dig, but it’d lack the ‘sportyness’ and relative luxury I like the other 360 days of the year.
As for engine size, my current 2.5 is nowhere near powerful enough for my liking, but waaaay over my genuine needs. I like not having to overly plan overtakes, and like leaving a chavved-out nova/corsa for dust when I hit the NSL. And I’m prepared to (and do) pay the cost at the pumps & in insurance, thankfully I’ve still got all my NCB or I’d be over £1.5k. Ouchy!
well if ya don’t mind the fuel bill, want something that handles (genuinely), goes like stink, is built like a battleship, and is now as cheap as chips, then go for a 94/95 4.2ltr (ptrl), nissan patrol lwb, more than fast enough to se of the the majority of chav’d up cars, and will see a ton in less than half a mile, not bad for a 3ton car !
it was another patrol i was after, but couldnt find a decent deisel on in my budget, so plumped for this trooper, not a patch on the patrol though !
Marcy, thats not bad, i have about 12yrs clear driving on my insurance, but was paying loads for my last patrol, and i just had to throw in another £30 for the last couple of months of this policy, so don’t really know what the cost will be, but i aint looking forward to it !
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Hi all, Nice to see another good thread on here, i was quite happy just reading until i came to mark shipleys post! I just Can’t believe how ignorant he must be, I certainly wouldn’t feel proud and go shouting off about owning a prius! for one my 6’2″ 21 stone frame wouldn’t fit in it and secondly they are just ordinary! But that’s just My opinion, Ive done strongman comps in the past with heavier items than a prius so how safe would you feel in one of those on the road? or even a strong wind? I have a new Shogun Warrior with 20″ chrome rims, I’m not overly bothered about the tax because its only a few quid more and it certainly won’t stop me buying another 4×4 anytime soon, and I’d rather pay that extra few quid for the car of my choice instead of just being an ordinary sheep like human and following the Politically Correct sheep herd by driving a car that i wouldn’t enjoy just to save a few quid a year! (and doubt that the 20″ chrome rims would fit on it anyway).
As said on here already its not just about taxing 4×4’s, its about a government that’s failing the country big time and keeps hitting the working man / woman in the pocket to cover their shortfalls! Also has anyone followed a bus, coach or lgv and seen the crap that comes out of them? or the good ol London cab that makes you choke if your following one? Why hasn’t their tax gone up as well?Big-Pete
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quote Marcella:Oh…. and if I’m ever rich enough… my Merc is getting traded in for a Range Rover Vogue.oh no yeh dont ……i baggs it first :lol1: :lol1:
i need my truck cause im in the country and i dont mind paying the extra i will just add it on to my customers jobs 😉
nik
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I think there should only be one car for sale in the whole of the UK an thats a HUMMER the biggest one.
Thats wot i think of the latest legislation the PC minority getting far too much attention.
As regards people getting run over by ANYTHING might be a better idea to better educate the kids in how to behave near roads etc.
In fact they should ban skate boards from the streets and charge cyclists £200 a year to own a push bike ensuring they have at least 3 rd party insurance before they are allowed on the road as they cause accidents too. Any passing through red light deliberately should be taken out the back and sh”!.Goop
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I quite agree Gordon. In fact I firmly believe that cyclists in Lycra shorts wearing sunglasses and stupid little crash helmets should be vapourised. Everytime I drive past one of these cretins in my van I am severely tempted to wind down my window and give them a good “Thwack” across the backside with my Sun newspaper 😮
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quote Phill:Everytime I drive past one of these cretins in my van I am severely tempted to wind down my window and give them a good “Thwack” across the backside with my Sun newspaper 😮
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: nice one phil…cant see my screen for tears 😀
nik
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Firstly I’ll make you laugh, the night before last, Faye was coming back from the park with the two boys, 1 in buggy, 1 walking, just after dusk, was waiting to cross road opposite our house when a muppet on a bike with no lights, came belting along the pavement(illegal) and yelled at her to move out the way. Now adults on bike on pavements is one of her pet hates so she stepped back a little so he would have to dismount to pass, unfortunatly he didn’t realise this and when he got too close and had no where to go, fell off 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 sorry I missed it really 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
quote Mark Shipley:There are places for 4×4’s and that isn’t city centres, off road parking or on school runs.Mark
In that case nor is it a place for Porsches, big mercs, jags, etc etc etc.(BTW, how much energy is expended in making a prius? What is it’s longevity supposed to be)
Didn’t realise freedom of choice was going to be removed. I own a watch that can go to 10meters deep. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna go diving though.
Now the fun bit;
We haven’t owned a 2wd for over 4 years and we currently own four 4wds(though two are for sale).
What do they do, well;
Go to Tesco/Asda/Sainsburys
Take my eldest to nursery
Take me to work (current ‘real’ job)
Tow the caravan
Tow a 3 tonne trailer
Get us though the floods round here
Go ‘off road’ properly
Carry signs to clients premesis
Carry up to 11 and 12 people respectivly
Bring good’s from B&Q, negating to use of a truck to deliver to me
Recover vehicles from ditches in winterI could go on but can’t be ar5ed.
Now one is 16 years old and the other is 10. We have no plans of selling either ever and even if we do unless written off they will both last another 20+ years each unlike the current Mondeo/vectra/astra which will do 10 years from new if lucky.
If the anti 4×4 lobby (BTW most of their ‘facts are american and incorrect, check out http://www.4x4prejudice.org/) want to really do some good then maybe they should protest against Boeing and airbus instead of Land Rover and Mitsubishi.
Apparently some of the satillites orbiting the earth monitor the brightness of it. In the 2 week period after 9/11 (ie few planes flying) apparently the earth became 5% brighter.
Oh and if I could afford it, I’d own a 4litre supercharged Range Rover sport.
Lastly, I would much rather my loved ones drove round in a 4×4 as with all the chav/moron drivers out there today, its the safest way to be if hit by something else. Of the ten vehicles least likely to die in(accident statistics), three of them were Land Rovers!
I’m sure in this country we still have a right to free speech and expression which includes choosing within your means what you drive.
Lee
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I don’t think anybody has the right to say what we can and can’t drive.
If we pay for it, then it is our business – simple as that.
Why people worry about cars all the time I’ll never know. There are many more problems just as important that need sorting out – and guess what, they’ll never get sorted. People just simply can’t agree with each other, from political parties, to goverments, to countries – no one ever agrees.
The car/fuel/tax issue all comes down to money and greed. It is not profitable for all these oil giants, and governments, if we did switch to electric cars.
Also, it is easy for people to say who should drive what, until it comes to what THEY drive, then all sorts of excuses will come out of the bag.
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