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  • Tackling rivetts on Road Traffic Signs

    Posted by Deleted User on December 2, 2002 at 5:05 pm

    Hi
    I’ve got quite a few Class 2 Road signs to do and I have noticed that some have invisble fixings (Rivetts). Still on a channel fix style.

    We are using 3mm ali and at the moment the rivets are a bugger to cover with class 2 reflective.

    Any info would be really appreciated.

    Martin Pearson replied 19 years, 12 months ago 6 Members · 12 Replies
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  • Phill Fenton

    Member
    December 2, 2002 at 6:38 pm

    Are you planning to make the signblanks yourself or buy them in?

    These would normaly come with any rivets flush with the surface if you buy them from the likes of Ashby Trade sign supplies. This means fitting a face is no problem as the rivets are not visible once the vinyl face is fitted.

    The rear rails can also be attached to the signblanks using a high quality double sided tape – if the right type of tape is used and the surface is suitably cleaned, I’m told the bond from a double sided tape is perfectly sound though I have never tried this myself.

    If you’re in any doubt, I would reccomend you buy the blanks in with the rails already attached.

  • Mike Brown

    Member
    December 2, 2002 at 7:28 pm

    did I not read somewhere (quite some time ago now) that all road type signs ‘have’ to be rivetless now – by law?

    not trying to be clever or question what you have in mind…just chat…

    more soon

    mikethesign

  • Robert Lambie Robert Lambie

    Member
    December 2, 2002 at 8:00 pm

    hi gav…
    if your not buying the blanks in like phill mentioned then VHB tape is an option.
    we use two suppliers.. one is 3M tape and the other im not sure the make…

    details are as follows..

    NBT
    3M TAPE CODE: VHB4950
    01506 411572

    Bruce Douglas
    TAPE CODE: UHBFM041102533WH
    01382 832999

    BOTH ARE GOOD BUT I RECKON YOUR GARUANTEE WOULD BE BEST UNDER 3M.
    we use it for losts of work and if you apply it properly it will certainly hold strong…

    there is another option… paul davenport im sure uses arldite for this type of thing. i would reckon it would be the cheapest method as the taps above are exspensive… the second one being the chapest.
    if asking for a price. be sure to get the roll lentgh with the quote.
    i have been stung before thinking i have a good deal when im actualy getting less on the roll.

    best of luck.. oh yeh and application isnt hard.. just need to score both the panle and channel and clean very well… then once in place give it a blast of heat… from a heat gun! 😉

  • Timmy Mallet

    Member
    December 2, 2002 at 8:05 pm

    I have a cutomer who has a large business hiring out trafic lights etc and I have just supplied him 10,000 large head rivets to repair his signs, looks like I will not be supplying him anymore…. 😆 🙄

    Timmy…..

  • Deleted User

    Deleted User
    December 3, 2002 at 2:18 pm

    mmmmmm…….i’ll ignore Mikes answer because it scares me considering I have supplied some already riveted 😳

    Anyway I have had some made up by Contract sign systems and it works out a lot cheaper than making them up myself. Trouble is I have still got 22 more to make ourselves that I bought the ali for before realising that buying them in was the way forward……..again 😳

    Thanks for all your help.

  • Deleted User

    Deleted User
    December 3, 2002 at 2:22 pm

    Oh and Rob…….who the bloody ell is that in your pic??

    Got kinda of used to you looking like you had sat on a sign post.!!!

  • Robert Lambie Robert Lambie

    Member
    December 3, 2002 at 2:31 pm

    sorry mate… 😆 😆 😆 😆 it was taken about a month or so ago in my mums… its hard to get a pic of me never mind one im smiling in… 😆
    so i thought ide use an update and have one with me smiling…. 😉

  • Deleted User

    Deleted User
    December 3, 2002 at 3:12 pm

    I’m a fine one to talk about smiling. My picture was taken while dealing with my amazing staff, (yeah right). hence the big happy face!! If you know what I mean.

  • Deleted User

    Deleted User
    December 4, 2002 at 9:49 am

    Well it would seem that Mike was right about road signs with rivets through the face being illegal!!

    I am going back to the customer today to get the two signs previously done and I will have to change the fixing of the channel…

    Does anyone know where I can get a road sign law manual or something??

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    December 4, 2002 at 11:06 am

    I tried to get something from a Government agency about reflective material and its usage, I’m still waiting and its been about 3 months now, so good luck Gav. Where did you find out it was illegal to use riveted signs, and does this cover signs on private estates as well as on the public Highway ?
    I ask because I have a couple to do on an industrial estate.

  • Deleted User

    Deleted User
    December 4, 2002 at 12:33 pm

    Right. this is the situation as far as I can make out.

    Its not illegal to use rivets as long as they are ground back flush with the signface then covered with the face film (reflective or otherwise). In effect giving an invisible fixing.

    I found this all out by going to the council offices and speaking to the road traffic dept manager. He is also going to supply a book on traffic sign law which, if anyone wants a copy of when I get it I will gladly do a copy of for free.

    Then hopefully we can all do a bit of road signing without sitting, as I have in council offices for hours trying to find out if the law has changed again in the last ten minutes.

    Just to add another point, the council I am dealing with only use black backed signs instead of grey and I was very surprised to find out how much more money this costs when you have to etch primer them and paint to make the paint stay on ali. even though we have our own spraying booth. Most companies who supply the panels dont give a colour option. just grey std.

    sorry to bore you all, just thought the info may help someone else.

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    December 4, 2002 at 5:14 pm

    Thanks for the info Gav, I would be interested in a copy of the book/leaflet when you get it. Why do the council use black backed signs, is there a reason for this?