T-Shirt Printing —– Sublimation V’s Screen Printing

[Jim Clough]

Have a look at http://www.thetransferpress.co.uk They have the Vapor Apparel Shirts in different styles & colours.
Jim

[John Wilson]

quote Jim Clough:

Have a look at http://www.thetransferpress.co.uk They have the Vapor Apparel Shirts in different styles & colours.
Jim

Cheers Jim

I had a look at there stuff, even got a sample pack sent but still rather use 100% cotton tshirts for colours and sizes/range

[Jim Clough]

If you are considering printing T shirts as a business then maybe the Fast T-Jet direct printer could be an option. It can print onto dark & black shirts and now has white ink.
see http://www.yesltd.co.uk based in Nottinghamshire.
Jim

[John Wilson]

I’ve looked at the Fast T-Jet systems before but was told that the inks are not perfected yet so I ruled it out at the moment…. some websites say they can only print onto white tshirts…. other websites say different 😕

Anyone enlighten me? lol

[Kevin.Beck]

screen printing would be very cost effective.
Printing 100 tees would only take you 90 mins max.

using a machine like the fast t jet has its market place, but the tees still have to be heatpressed to cure the ink, takng 2-3 minutes each just to cure.

screen printing – you need a lot more room for the equipment.

if you haven`t got the room, sub the printing out. 100 tee shirts printed 2 colours 1 side should not be more than £1 each + tee shirt.

[David Rowland]

Ah.. Fast T-Jet… interesting…
Screen printing does have the money market.. u enjoy doing it John

[John Wilson]

quote becky:

screen printing would be very cost effective.
Printing 100 tees would only take you 90 mins max.

using a machine like the fast t jet has its market place, but the tees still have to be heatpressed to cure the ink, takng 2-3 minutes each just to cure.

screen printing – you need a lot more room for the equipment.

if you haven`t got the room, sub the printing out. 100 tee shirts printed 2 colours 1 side should not be more than £1 each + tee shirt.

I don’t have a great deal of space (215sq ft) and I wouldn’t want to sub out for small one off prints that I know I’d get

[Andrew Bennett]

quote Dave Rowland:

Ah.. Fast T-Jet… interesting…
Screen printing does have the money market.. u enjoy doing it John

If you have a spare ten G’s lying around Dave, please bung it my way 😀

[David Rowland]

:lol1:

[John Wilson]

quote Andrew Bennett:

quote Dave Rowland:

Ah.. Fast T-Jet… interesting…
Screen printing does have the money market.. u enjoy doing it John

If you have a spare ten G’s lying around Dave, please bung it my way 😀

I don’t know the price of them yet, sent a email requesting the prices

[Kevin.Beck]

if its anything like the version cadlink are trying to push, its around the £5K. The dark tee shirt version will be more i suspect.

Some folk fail to see, certain methoids of printing offer both fors and agaists.

I`ll stick my neck out and say, no 1 machine/method covers all options etc.

Thats why we do screen printing-sublimation and heat transfers………

At £5K + you`d have to sell alot of tee shirts to get your money back. Each tee shirt must take approx 5 -10 mins to produce, taking in to account printing time and drying time.

1 main problem with tee shirts, is they have a set value from the public.

Folk will only pay so much for a tee shirt.

Spend £5K on sign equipment and the returns and profits will be alot faster and higher. 😉

[John Wilson]

quote becky:

if its anything like the version cadlink are trying to push, its around the £5K. The dark tee shirt version will be more i suspect.

Some folk fail to see, certain methoids of printing offer both fors and agaists.

I`ll stick my neck out and say, no 1 machine/method covers all options etc.

Thats why we do screen printing-sublimation and heat transfers………

At £5K + you`d have to sell alot of tee shirts to get your money back. Each tee shirt must take approx 5 -10 mins to produce, taking in to account printing time and drying time.

1 main problem with tee shirts, is they have a set value from the public.

Folk will only pay so much for a tee shirt.

Spend £5K on sign equipment and the returns and profits will be alot faster and higher. 😉

I know what your saying about pro’s and con’s on each type of method

[Janine Chrispin]

For a Fast TJet that prints on both dark and light garments, I was quoted around £10k plus VAT (by YES Ltd).

You can print on dark items using a sublimation transfer and cutter system (with magic eye).

I do them all the time and they look OK (I haven’t had anyone complain yet)!

Janine

[John Wilson]

quote Janine Chrispin:

For a Fast TJet that prints on both dark and light garments, I was quoted around £10k plus VAT (by YES Ltd).

You can print on dark items using a sublimation transfer and cutter system (with magic eye).

I do them all the time and they look OK (I haven’t had anyone complain yet)!

Janine

Yeah I got a quote from them yesterday and it was the same price

I’ll have a good think about it but doubt I’ll go for it at that price…. seems rather limited

[Kevin.Beck]

i wonder how many they have sold?

[John Wilson]

quote becky:

i wonder how many they have sold?

In the states maybe loads since they are $10,000 so it’s much cheaper

I’ve seen stuff about them on USA forums but not too much over here

[Kevin.Beck]

this always bugs me,

equipment costs $10K in the states,
they ship it over and just change the $ sign to a £ sign.
what happens to the exchange rate?

[Marekdlux]

quote becky:

this always bugs me,

equipment costs $10K in the states,
they ship it over and just change the $ sign to a £ sign.
what happens to the exchange rate?

What really sucks is when I visit Wales from California and my money gets cut in half when I exchange it, but everything costs the same. 👿
I think there is a conspiracy going on somewhere.
-Marek

[Janine Chrispin]

I have been thinking bout going to New York to visit Pro World Inc – they are based in New Jersey – to bring home loads of Transfers as it always costs a lot to get them delivered and pay the import tax!!

If anyone wants any transfers and I decide to go, let me know!!!

Janine

[David Rowland]

if you do import it… i suspect you have the vat to consider.. and then there Power Input, maybe 110volt and maybe a few amps. However it might be dual voltage.

Then comes support and replacement parts? hmm

Then comes consumables (not sure what I am saying here)

[John Wilson]

quote Dave Rowland:

(not sure what I am saying here)

it’s cool, we get the point 😉

[Janine Chrispin]

I was looking at importing a machine called Ballstars (www.ballstars.com). It prints onto balls, funndy enough. Not sure if there is a market here though. There is one company that currently has one in the UK.

Janine

[Jim Clough]

Janine
Before you consider buying the Ballstar system I would hold back for a while. There is a new press for sublimation on the horizon.It is capable of 3D items as well as flat and no moulds or curved platens are requred.
I believe it will take uo to about 7 inches in height. Sprays will be available to coat the objects for sublimation. It uses films to print onto which are placed into the press then a vaccum pulls film over the object.
Best of all, I hear it’s reasonably priced.
Jim

[Janine Chrispin]

quote Jim Clough:

Janine
Before you consider buying the Ballstar system I would hold back for a while. There is a new press for sublimation on the horizon.It is capable of 3D items as well as flat and no moulds or curved platens are requred.
I believe it will take uo to about 7 inches in height. Sprays will be available to coat the objects for sublimation. It uses films to print onto which are placed into the press then a vaccum pulls film over the object.
Best of all, I hear it’s reasonably priced.
Jim

Thanks for that, Jim. I will wait. Is there a website that I can check out about this?

Janine

[Jim Clough]

Don’t know of website as yet but the press is called the Picto 3D Flex Sublimation Press and is expected to be on view at the Trophex show at the NEC this month. To give you an idea of what this press can do, I heard they put a trainer shoe in and printed it.
Jim

[Andrew Boyle]

http://www.plasticstechnology.com/artic … 09cu1.html

How it works
When the dyes are heated in this transfer process, they vaporize, and if they are in close proximity to a suitable substrate, such as a plastic or coating, the vapors penetrate the adjacent substrate by around 0.002 in. up to 0.25 in. The plastic substrate must be able to withstand temperatures of 280 to 375 F necessary to vaporize the dye.

Since the dyes are transparent, the substrate should be light in color—white, light gray, or beige. If the plastic substrate is translucent, it will remain translucent after coloring. “The lighter the substrate color, the better the result of this process,” Nagelle says. He adds that the dyes will penetrate a black substrate but will not be visible. (!)

[John Wilson]

quote Jim Clough:

Don’t know of website as yet but the press is called the Picto 3D Flex Sublimation Press and is expected to be on view at the Trophex show at the NEC this month. To give you an idea of what this press can do, I heard they put a trainer shoe in and printed it.
Jim

I-Sub was the name of the company……. some really good stuff at there stand….. I spent the most time there

I also went to see the T-Jet but YES Ltd has stopped selling them and is now selling the DTG Digital but they didn’t have the one that prints white at Trophex because there was such a high demand for the machine that they didn’t have a spare one for the show(ie it’s not working 😉 ) so I won’t be putting my money on there table (:) wasted trip there

[CLAIRELOWTHER]

(hot) IM VERY NEW TO T SHIRT PRINTING AND NEED SOME CONTACTS PLS. i HAVE BOUGHT FROM MAGIC A LAZOR PRINTER AND PAPER – I DO ALSO HAVE A 1290 BUT NOT YET OPENED UP BOX. I HAVE A PRESS AND A LITTLE CUTTER. BUT I NEED TO DO DARK T SHIRTS WHAT IS THE CHEAPEST POSSIBLE WAY TO DO IT ,SO I CAN LAUNCH MY SELF WITH LITTLE FUNDS?

ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO GET READY MADE TRANSFERES AND HAVE THEM MADE. ALL HELP WELCOMED

CLAIRE

[Steve Underhill]

for dark T shirts on a budget Id use dark T jet transfers from

http://www.xpres.co.uk

You ll want to get an epson printer that uses durabrite ink also as it gives a much better result than normal ink and also is more light fast and durable. (IE D68/88 etc) the T shirts can be washed at up to 80 degrees after transfer application. also, for single colour and overlayed designs they do super flex and nylo flex etc which is almost as good as a screen printed shirt, and even better in some cases which is cut out after printing and heat pressed on.
they also do a massive range of sublimatable substrates.

[river-runner]

Actually for 100% cotton white and lites there is a system that works fine for small runs and doesn’t take up much room, check this out
http://www.sawgrassink.com/naturalink/naturalink.html

[Byron]

For your information, the Natura transfer paper is not for dark garments. It requires special toners. You need to print twice. There is a clear adhesive to be printed as well as the normal 4 colour print. Not cheap to run either, but the image results are good to white or light coloured fabrics.

For Sawgrass products see the UK distributor ‘Info-Tec’. salesteam@info-tec.biz

There are various machines that print direct to t-shirts and other substrates. Take a look at this http://hometown.aol.co.uk/racardsign/Di … index.html