Submitting a Sign design, construction to a surveyor, how do you go about this?

[Hugh Potter]

When I’ve done this in the past I’ve gone back to my simple "techincal drawing" classes from school!!

A basic face on drawing of the sign with measurements,
Horizontal to that a scaled side aspect drawing showing a cut through of the sign and it’s mountings,
Vetrically below the face drawing – a view from the top.

You don’t need to include the shop but a digital mock up, much as you’ve probably already created will cover that. Send along with a basic description of the job and fixing method.

That’s enough!

[Daniel Evans]

Hi Hugh

Not sure I follow, could you email an example?

[Hugh Potter]

quote Daniel Evans:

Hi Hugh

Not sure I follow, could you email an example?

Something basic like this, this took about 15mins, 5 mins was deciding what name to call the shop 😆 😆

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drawing mock up for planning.pdf

[Daniel Evans]

Thans Hugh

I get it now.

In regards to your depth of 80mm, is that the standard size?

I’ve also attached an image of the shop, I’ve got a couple of questions regarding fitting.

How would you fit a tray to this? Bearing in mind it’s split into sections and the brick wall above would make it difficult to drill / screw anything

I’m thinking of making the tray myself out of composite with stand off lettering or would you just buy it in?

I don’t really tend to do this kind of job and I’ve always bought in, but I have to learn at some point surly.

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[Hugh Potter]

I’d say 50mm is standard for me but, you can have the return any size you want in theory.

installing a tray to that.. first I would insist it is the full size, otherwise you risk air / wind getting behind it and on a weekend like we’ve just had, I’d say that’s not ideal!

treat the bottom of the tray as per normal, on the top return have an additional 20mm return / flang sticking up from the tray like a full length tab… screw and fix through this, it won’t be noticeable and will be easily accessible.

Check out William smith, Kushy face, Signshapes, they’re the three I’d usually check out on a job like this. I’d put on my mark-up and installation. typical mark-up would be 75-100% for me…. this job should be pretty straigh forward but bear in mind, older shops have a whole host of issues that accompany them so, based on that, if I’m not getting good / top money for them, I’m not interested!!

I’d go aluminium tray on that size, it’s just stronger, and ensure that whoever makes it used proper interlocking strips at the joins!

[David Hammond]

Sorry to interrupt…

Would you fit a bottom rail on this Hugh, and would you fit it into the frame of brickwork?

[Chris Wilson]

quote Hugh Potter:

quote Daniel Evans:

Hi Hugh

Not sure I follow, could you email an example?

Something basic like this, this took about 15mins, 5 mins was deciding what name to call the shop 😆 😆

Thank god you didn’t use comic sans [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

[Chris Wilson]

quote David Hammond:

Sorry to interrupt…

Would you fit a bottom rail on this Hugh, and would you fit it into the frame of brickwork?

Personally I would go brick work and over the top with the fixing points for the sign frame. I wouldn’t be keen going into those frames.

[Phill Fenton]

Yes I’m the same – I would be fitting the rails to the brickwork. Easy enough for the top rail, but the bottom rail would only have secure fixings at either end. However you could supplement this with a second lower rail attached to the window frame, and shape the lower return to fit around the brickwork then into the window recess resulting in a solid looking sign with decent fixings.

[Hugh Potter]

quote David Hammond:

Sorry to interrupt…

Would you fit a bottom rail on this Hugh, and would you fit it into the frame of brickwork?

Depends on the customer budget and what the landlord will allow. Would I go into the frame? probably if allowed as it’s a whole lot less bother than fitting to the brickwork…

If you can’t go into the window frame then you can only possibly fit to the brickwork with large flat brackets / plate that sticks out from the brickwork at 90°, fitting the tray over (which then stands out over the brick edge) BUT, in my opinion you need to close the gap under the bottom of the sign, and within the sign I’d make a very sturdy frame.

OR…

a much oversizes double tray, say 200 mm bigger than the brickwork window gap, reinforced back tray fixed to the brickwork and the front tray over the top. you’d be left with the gap at the bottom but that would be filled in somehow. I’d seriously want to over-engineer if I couldn’t fit to the frame!

No doubt there’s a real easy way to do it!

[David Hammond]

Good thinking, making an oversize tray and full back tray, you could notch the bottom return, something like the attached.

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[Joe Killeen]

quote David Hammond:

Good thinking, making an oversize tray and full back tray, you could notch the bottom return, something like the attached.

Hope you can understand my drawings. These are the two types I would use for this type of job.