Space Shuttle Atlantis take’s off today.

[John Childs]

One of my little ambitions is to one day watch a launch.

I would have preferred a Saturn V to the shuttle, but I’ve left it much too late for that. 🙁

[Brian Little]

quote John Childs:

One of my little ambitions is to one day watch a launch.

I would have preferred a Saturn V to the shuttle, but I’ve left it much too late for that. 🙁

…yep JC defenetly the more exciting …and the more beleivable of the appollo missions

[John Childs]

quote brian little:

…and the more beleivable of the appollo missions

I’m not sure I understand Brian. I though all the Apollo launches had a Saturn V underneath them.

[Phill Fenton]

Not quite true John. On the 5th July 1966 a Saturn IB with the S-IVB second stage proved it’s capability of launching a block 1 Apollo payload in an unmanned flight. Not strictly an Apollo mission – but the first proving flight for what was to become the configuration that sent the Apollo capsule, service moduce and lunar lander to the moon. 😮

(One has to be a little bit sad to know these things 😳 )

[Brian Little]

quote John Childs:

quote brian little:

…and the more beleivable of the appollo missions

I’m not sure I understand Brian. I though all the Apollo launches had a Saturn V underneath them.

hmmm i see what you mean John …ive written that wrong …what i ment to say it was the most beleivable part of the appolo missions

[Brian Little]

quote Phill:

Not quite true John. On the 5th July 1966 a Saturn IB with the S-IVB second stage proved it’s capability of launching a block 1 Apollo payload in an unmanned flight. Not strictly an Apollo mission – but the first proving flight for what was to become the configuration that sent the Apollo capsule, service moduce and lunar lander to the moon. 😮

(One has to be a little bit sad to know these things 😳 )

…no notatoll Phill i dont think your sad atoll …i was way into it in a big way when i was growing up .I remmember @ 10 years old watching them launching apollo 11 …sadly over the years i have become a bit more scinicle ps im sure and no dought ill stand corrected if im wrong …but was it not the mercuary range of rockets that were before thae saturn …i think they were used to test things …eg the appolo payload

[Phill Fenton]

The Americans adapted a number of ballistic missiles to be used as space launchers. Amongst these where the Thor, Redstone, Jupiter and Atlas rockets. The Redstone and Atlas Rockets were used to launch the Mercury capsules (one man missions) while the Titan Rockets were used to launch the Gemin capsules (2 man missions).

The Saturn V is a lifelong fascination of mine. I finally got to see one a couple of years ago in Florida. It’s housed in a huge purpose built display building. The rocket is displayed on its side. My personal opinion is that it would be a far greater spectacle if only it could be displayed in an upright position.

I have no doubt what so ever that the moon missions really did take place. No way were they faked.

There is not one single shred of evidence (that the missions were faked) that can stand up to proper scutiny. All the so called evidence to indicate a fake can be easily explained away.

[Brian Little]

hmm i wish i could beleive it phill i really do

[Brian Little]

ok Phill …the gloves are off here ……i have the front page of the news of the world july 69 which i have treasured for years only for it to be ruined in my mind buy recent programmes

[John Childs]

If you think that’s sad Phill you should look at some of the anorak stuff I know. 🙂

I think that the Saturn V is well worth learning about. A truly awesome piece of machinery and a great shame we shall never be able to see or hear one used in anger again.

I’ve spent quite a bit of time in the Orlando/Kissimmee area over the last few years but haven’t got to the space centre yet. I’ve ridden past it a few times on the way to Daytona but always think I will leave a visit until there is a launch and make it worthwhile. I’ll get there one day. 🙂 So much to do – so little time.

I have no doubt that the lunar landings took place. I would have thought that it would be easy to prove by looking at the landing sites and viewing the remains through a decent telescope. Not the sort they sell in Dixons maybe, but the ones you find on the tops of mountains should do it no problem.

Brian, I’ve got the front page of a newspaper from 14th April 1912. Fortunately nobody is arguing about the sinking of the Titanic. 🙂

[Brian Little]

yep well john that happened i can beleive that nio problem .i have problem with the shadows coming from 4 quarters when they never took external lighting with them ….i have a problem with the cross hairs in the photographs ….i have a problem with the photos how the quality is so good .oh and another thing i dont understand ….that the programmes have never questioned .when they always show you the top half of the LEM seperating from the bottom half of the stage left on the moon ….eh whos operating the cammera that clearly follows it …i mean is it the man on the moon ? :lol1:

[Phill Fenton]

quote brian little:

yep well john that happened i can beleive that nio problem .i have problem with the shadows coming from 4 quarters when they never took external lighting with them

Easy one this – Next time your outside in the daylight, have a look at shadows caused by the sun. You will notice that shadows often coverge even when there is a single light source. This is caused by differences in the terrain (slopes etc.) – Just as importantly, a wide angle lens distorts images so that straight lines run at different angles. Look along a railway track – you will see that the lines appear to converge even though you know for a fact that they don’t – it’s all an optical illusion. The same thing happens with shadows.

….i have a problem with the cross hairs in the photographs

There is nothing unusual about cross hairs in a picture. These are often added later as terms of reference. Whether the pictures were taken on the moon or in a studio makes no difference.

….i have a problem with the photos how the quality is so good .

Why does this concern you? If you can take a good picture on earth there is no reson why you shouldn’t be able to take a good picture on the moon

oh and another thing i dont understand ….that the programmes have never questioned .when they always show you the top half of the LEM seperating from the bottom half of the stage left on the moon ….eh whos operating the cammera that clearly follows it …i mean is it the man on the moon ? :lol1:

Have you never heard of remote control – remote control cameras are in use everywhere to monitor everything from traffic to shoplifters

The people that write about the moon landings being faked are liars. They use psuedo science to persuade us of their arguments. Don’t believe them.

[John Childs]

And don’t forget that, on the moon, there are two light sources. Sunlight and Earthlight, which is a loot stronger than our moonlight because of the difference in relative size of the reflecting body. That’ll confuse your shadows.

And the cameras that take the close-ups of take-off from earth are remote control too. No person could stand the heat. Doesn’t make them fake.

No Brian, I love a good conspiracy theory, but I think this one is a non-starter.

So, who killed JFK then? 😀

[Alex Pirozek]

Blimey!!
Talking about conspiracy theories anyone seen Loose Change 911 http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc … 8192753501

I’m sorry if I offend anyone by mentioning it as it’s the 5th anniversary tomorrow but I don’t really want to wait for the 30 year secret rule to expire to find out the truth.
Make up your own minds on who really was behind the attacks. It really needs a proper investigation to get to the truth.
😮

[Peter Normington]

The next thing you conspiracy therorists’ will be saying is that the holocaust never happened,

Peter

[Les Woods]

quote brian little:

oh and another thing i dont understand ….that the programmes have never questioned .when they always show you the top half of the LEM seperating from the bottom half of the stage left on the moon ….eh whos operating the cammera that clearly follows it …i mean is it the man on the moon ? :lol1:

I recall seeing a program about the moon landings and it included an interview with the guy who operated the camera by remote control – because of the time lag he had to start to following the capsule before it even took off, and luckily he got it right.

[Brian Little]

nope i aint convinced atoll phill . Weve already killed fourteen people in the shuttles getting off the ground ….and thats now !! how did we do it in the late sixtys ijust dont think we had the technology .As for the quality piccys ….well from what i remmember there cammera was down at there stomach how could they see it must have been guess work as they were wearing big thick gloves yet the prints were beutifull. The flag waving awaay merily in the non existant wind (Well mabe someone left the door open in the area 51 studio where it was filmed :lol1: ) …looked good tho :lol1: :lol1: Oh and another thing phill theres radiation belts …i forget there name van something ive heard it said you would need 3 feet of lead to protect yourself from it ….but the csm was wafer thin in places . The shuttle has never flown that neer them so there no problem to it .

I think that the film "capricorn one" was neerer the truth altho they didnt have to kill neil …buzz …& mike

The final straw for me was just a few weeks ago it became clear if you watched it that NASA have lost all the original moon landing tapes …how convenient for them ….nope sorry phill we will have to dissagree on this one …the thing is i beleived it …i really did but recently …nah. untill someone gets a really powerfull telescope to investigate "tranquility base " (cant remmember the other sites…what does it matter all done in the same studio 😀 😀 ) ill remane a cynic

[Peter Normington]

Brian the only thing that blows holes in the theory that man (american) never landed on the Moon, and its only a minor thing, seem to remember it being called USSR at the time, Im sure they would have been the first to expose any scam…..

Ps did you get to do a freefall at the show?

Peter

[Les Woods]

The Van Allen Radiation Belt – check this link http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=askastronomer&Number=145011&page=17&view=collapsed&sb=6&o=0&fpart=

I heard it mentioned that the pictures were crap due to feeble shielding on the actual camera and they had to reshoot them to keep people happy – I still believe they went though.

[Phill Fenton]

Yeah – Ok you’re right Brian. It really was all faked, and I’m one of the conspiritists (is that a real word) who’re trying to convince the world that it all really did happen…So are John, Peter and Les 😉

[Brian Little]

quote Peter Normington:

Brian the only thing that blows holes in the theory that man (american) never landed on the Moon, and its only a minor thing, seem to remember it being called USSR at the time, Im sure they would have been the first to expose any scam…..

Ps did you get to do a freefall at the show?

Peter

what at RAF Leuchars Peter ?….never seen it there they had a flypast of the nimrods as a mark of respect tothe guys killed from kinloss ….very sad

[Brian Little]

quote Phill:

Yeah – Ok you’re right Brian. It really was all faked, and I’m one of the conspiritists (is that a real word) who’re trying to convince the world that it all really did happen…So are John, Peter and Les 😉

thats great Phill 3 on the board are "beleivers ".nah sorry i just look at it and the more i think of it it was just "to far ahead of its time ".I just watched a recent programme where Buzz was explaining that the luner module would have never have got off the moon if it hadnt been for a componat of his ball point pen …that clinched it for me 😕 i think phill we will just have to agree to disagree on this one :lol1: :lol1:

[Neil Churchman]

Isn’t there supposed to be a Japanese unmanned flight to the moon soon where they will be photographing the lunar surface and if there are no abandoned moon buggies our lunar module (bottom sections) then we will have conclusive proof that it’s all been a massive hoax.

I have a full colour 1969 supplement with loads of high quality moon landing shots, and I have to say on closer examination I wonder why:

The flag is fluttering when there is no air or wind on the moon

There is no dust on the perfectly gold baco foil wrapped module disc shaped feet or a dust cone underneath due to engine exhaust

There are black registration crosses on the photos, some of which are
part cut off, as if added at a later date to the photo

These photos are so perfect compared to the poor black and white TV picture that I watched as a nipper, it’s hard to believe that the weren’t shot under perfect studio conditions?

As a kid brought up on Star Trek and Thunderbirds I so want to believe that they really went there.

Anyone else seen the movie ‘Capricorn One’ ???

Neil

[Peter Normington]

Questions, what were all the astronomers around the world watching then? the Americans are not the only ones with high power telescopes? And how do we know the Japanese unmanned craft is for real? 😉

Peter

[Brian Little]

quote Neil Churchman:

Isn’t there supposed to be a Japanese unmanned flight to the moon soon where they will be photographing the lunar surface and if there are no abandoned moon buggies our lunar module (bottom sections) then we will have conclusive proof that it’s all been a massive hoax.

I have a full colour 1969 supplement with loads of high quality moon landing shots, and I have to say on closer examination I wonder why:

The flag is fluttering when there is no air or wind on the moon

There is no dust on the perfectly gold baco foil wrapped module disc shaped feet or a dust cone underneath due to engine exhaust

There are black registration crosses on the photos, some of which are
part cut off, as if added at a later date to the photo

These photos are so perfect compared to the poor black and white TV picture that I watched as a nipper, it’s hard to believe that the weren’t shot under perfect studio conditions?

As a kid brought up on Star Trek and Thunderbirds I so want to believe that they really went there.

Anyone else seen the movie ‘Capricorn One’ ???

Neil

exactly neil …exactly ….the "no crater" thing i forgot about
i dont confess to know anything about the geography of the moon but i suspect that at that moment in time "tranquility base " was way over the other side and astonomeres would not see it anyway .

[John Childs]

Neil.

I love the flag one. NASA were aware that a flag on the moon would not fly due to lack of air (it’s not rocket science), and they obviously wanted it to be seen in photos, therefore they put wire in it to hold it out. Check the video again and nowhere will you see the flag fluttering or flying. It is static at all times.

The photo complaint is even better. A lot of stills were taken with good cameras and the film (yes, film) came back to earth with the astronauts. What we watched, huddled around our tellies in July 1969, was a deliberately low resolution thing so that it could be transmitted back live at a reasonable frame rate. Why is that so difficult to believe? Bandwidth then was a bigger problem than it is today, and even in 2006 we are still watching poor quality video over the internet. And that comes over fibre optics and copper wires rather than radio transmission.

[John Childs]

quote brian little:

i suspect that at that moment in time “tranquility base ” was way over the other side and astonomeres would not see it anyway .

For God’s sake Brian. If it was on the other side it would have been in the dark. The moon does not rotate in relation to the earth.

[Brian Little]

quote John Childs:

quote brian little:

i suspect that at that moment in time “tranquility base ” was way over the other side and astonomeres would not see it anyway .

For God’s sake Brian. If it was on the other side it would have been in the dark. The moon does not rotate in relation to the earth.

listen John ….theres nobody would be happier if i was prooved totally wrong …i trully beleived it at the time i really hope that shortly there will be powerfull enough telescopes to see abandoned lem lower stages left there :lol1: then ill shut my gob

[Shane Drew]

now brian, your not taking these guys for a ride are you mate? you sure you are not pulling their leg.. just a little… 😉

[Brian Little]

:lol1: :lol1:

[Shane Drew]

quote brian little:

:lol1: :lol1:

thought so…. good fishing from what I see… :lol1: :lol1:

[Brian Little]

quote Shane Drew:

quote brian little:

:lol1: :lol1:

thought so…. good fishing from what I see… :lol1: :lol1:

nah Shane ive admmited to nothing 😀

[Neil Churchman]

John,

Fair point about the video footage being poor quality for instant transmission.

As for the flag, there is footage showing the flag, with not just a slight flutter, but a definite movement as it would do in the wind on earth. I saw this footage once where they speeded up the the moon buggy driving around and the astronauts walking/bouncing around on the surface and when sped up, it was easy to believe the footage was shot in a normal earth gravity.

Do you have an explanation why the lunar module wasn’t covered in moon dust after it landed?

…….. and who was outside taking the footage of Neil Armstrong as he took that famous step from the bottom rung of the ladder?

Neil

[Brian Little]

quote Neil Churchman:

John,

Fair point about the video footage being poor quality for instant transmission.

As for the flag, there is footage showing the flag, with not just a slight flutter, but a definite movement as it would do in the wind on earth. I saw this footage once where they speeded up the the moon buggy driving around and the astronauts walking/bouncing around on the surface and when sped up, it was easy to believe the footage was shot in a normal earth gravity.

Do you have an explanation why the lunar module wasn’t covered in moon dust after it landed?

…….. and who was outside taking the footage of Neil Armstrong as he took that famous step from the bottom rung of the ladder?

Neil

neil it was a remote camera on the Lem ……personally i think it was a guy just returning from the toilet asked to lend a hand 😀

[Peter Normington]

It wasnt a scam, I know because……….

I was that cameraman!!

Peter

[Brian Little]

:lol1: :lol1: :lol1: nice one peter

[Shane Drew]

quote brian little:

quote Shane Drew:

quote brian little:

:lol1: :lol1:

thought so…. good fishing from what I see… :lol1: :lol1:

nah Shane ive admmited to nothing 😀

you’ve heard of the term ‘troublemaker’ haven’t you? :lol1:

[Alex Pirozek]

Changing back to the original subject for a bit, theyr’e about 1 hour from docking with the ISS at the moment with some good realtime video and comms on the link at the begining of this thread.
By the way i’m sceptical about it as well, it was before my time but i dont believe a word of it untill they come up with some valid proof. Most of the stuff in the media is propaganda on a massive scale just to make people do and believe what they want you to believe for their own gains.
It’s like Sim City the PC game on a global scale.
(:)

[Neil Churchman]

Peter,

so that explains the yellow helmet and blue jump suit that you used for your free fall re-entry back in 1969 😀

[Brian Little]

im still waiting on someone phoning in to say these men from Nasa nicked rocks from my back garden !!!

[Phill Fenton]

quote brian little:

quote Shane Drew:

quote brian little:

:lol1: :lol1:

thought so…. good fishing from what I see… :lol1: :lol1:

nah Shane ive admmited to nothing 😀

😳 :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

[Lee Ballard]

I actually watched a night launch in person about 11 years ago. Fantastic sight and we were about as close as the public can get without special passes etc.

The heat from the burners was amazing considering we were about ten miles away on a causeway. Good thing was, someone stood near us had a radio picking up the transmissions between launch control and the shuttle commander.

[Steve Morgan]

I’ve just read through this post and it has to be said that none of us have any way of proving if the landings (plural) actually happened or not, however.

Try to imagine how many people would have been required to produce a film similar to that which is in question ie: the first landing. along with all those people add another group who manned all the radar tracking stations around the globe who also picked up the voice and data communications, if they were being tricked then there is another group who created the false radio and radar data. There were of course the people who actually made all the hardware that went to the moon (?), and of course the scrap metal merchant who collected all the junk at the end of the first and subsequent films, the script writers, the film labs etc, etc, oh and not forgetting the ‘best boy’

In all of those people, do you not think, that even though they had been bought, threatened with murder removal of their families and all that stuff. Just one of them might have been tempted to tell the real(?)story?

[Dave Bruce]

But I did Steve, and nobody believed me 😥

[Phill Fenton]

Talking of conspiracies – heres a real one for you.

The Americans claimed to be the first to break the "Sound Barrier" and fly supersonic back in the late 1940’s .

back then, it was claimed that no one knew if it was even possible to fly supersonic. there were fears that this was a very real barrier that could not be broken.

In actual fact Germany was first to break the sound Barrier. The V2 rockets that were fired at London in 1944 flew supersonicaly. The English and the Americans all knew this yet still America claims to be first to break the Sound Barrier and still claim this today. Look on the internet do a search on V2 and A4 rockets and you will find these machine did indeed fly supersonic.

Not only that – but bullets also fly supersonic 😉

[Peter Normington]

V2s wern’t manned though Phil,
Peter

[Phill Fenton]

Doesn’t matter Pete. All this stuff about a mystical impenetrable "Barrier was just the hype of the day. The west knew it was possible.

[Brian Little]

quote Phill:

Talking of conspiracies – heres a real one for you.

The Americans claimed to be the first to break the “Sound Barrier” and fly supersonic back in the late 1940’s .

back then, it was claimed that no one knew if it was even possible to fly supersonic. there were fears that this was a very real barrier that could not be broken.

In actual fact Germany was first to break the sound Barrier. The V2 rockets that were fired at London in 1944 flew supersonicaly. The English and the Americans all knew this yet still America claims to be first to break the Sound Barrier and still claim this today. Look on the internet do a search on V2 and A4 rockets and you will find these machine did indeed fly supersonic.

Not only that – but bullets also fly supersonic 😉

yep Phill i can beleive that mate 😀 😀 ..Phil i heard a story …but why should you beleive me :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: well im gona tell you anyway that a guy from errol perthshire flew higher and longer long before orvil & wilbur right did …but it was never documented 😀 😀

[Peter Normington]

quote Phill:

Doesn’t matter Pete. All this stuff about a mystical impenetrable “Barrier was just the hype of the day. The west knew it was possible.

Phil thats not a conspiracy theory, well not in my book anyway. I would be interested to hear of any of these conspiracies, that have been proved to be the real facts years down the line?

any takers?

Peter

[Peter Normington]

quote brian little:

quote Phill:

Talking of conspiracies – heres a real one for you.

The Americans claimed to be the first to break the “Sound Barrier” and fly supersonic back in the late 1940’s .

back then, it was claimed that no one knew if it was even possible to fly supersonic. there were fears that this was a very real barrier that could not be broken.

In actual fact Germany was first to break the sound Barrier. The V2 rockets that were fired at London in 1944 flew supersonicaly. The English and the Americans all knew this yet still America claims to be first to break the Sound Barrier and still claim this today. Look on the internet do a search on V2 and A4 rockets and you will find these machine did indeed fly supersonic.

Not only that – but bullets also fly supersonic 😉

yep Phill i can beleive that mate 😀 😀 ..Phil i heard a story …but why should you beleive me :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: well im gona tell you anyway that a guy from errol perthshire flew higher and longer long before orvil & wilbur right did …but it was never documented 😀 😀

Brian that May be a fact, but not a conspiracy, Many flew higher and further than the Wrights, The montgolfiers and others in ballons for instance.

A conspiracy theory attempts to explain the ultimate cause of an event (usually a political, social, or historical event) as a secret, and often deceptive, plot by a covert alliance of powerful people or organizations rather than as an overt activity or as natural occurrence. Researchers who advocate the conspiratorial view claim that most major events in history have been dominated by conspirators who manipulate political happenings from behind the scenes.

The term "conspiracy theory" is usually used by mainstream scholars and in popular culture to identify a type of folklore similar to an urban legend, especially an explanatory narrative which is constructed with methodological flaws.[1] The term is also used pejoratively to dismiss claims that are alleged by critics to be misconceived, paranoid, unfounded, outlandish, irrational, or otherwise unworthy of serious consideration. For example "Conspiracy nut" is used as a pejorative term. Most people who have their theory or speculation labeled a "conspiracy theory" reject the term as prejudicial.

Peter

[Brian Little]

quote Peter Normington:

quote Phill:

Doesn’t matter Pete. All this stuff about a mystical impenetrable “Barrier was just the hype of the day. The west knew it was possible.

Phil thats not a conspiracy theory, well not in my book anyway. I would be interested to hear of any of these conspiracies, that have been proved to be the real facts years down the line?

any takers?

Peter

yeh ill take you on at that Peter …..ah couple of years ago there was a conspirecy theory that the barman watered down the vody…hes come clean and admited it last week 😀 😀

[John Childs]

OK then. Seeing as we are all so smart.

What was the first man made object to break the sound barrier?

Answers, on a five pound note, to me.

😀

[Peter Normington]

It also widely believed, that uksb is run by a short scott who lives on breezers, it not true, its run by mi5 and the cia with the eventual aim to fill the world with subliminal sign messages.
I make this statement to warn you all, If you dont hear from me in the future, you know they have eliminated me for speaking out.

Peter

[Brian Little]

john was it sputnik ..is there bonus points in this and can i confer

or telstar

[Nick Minall]

Probably a whip crack john

[Peter Normington]

Bullwhip?

Can I keep the fiver though John?

Peter

[Brian Little]

peter was it your wallet opening

[John Childs]

Nick got in first. Give that man a banana. 😀

I could still do with the fiver though Peter. 😀

[Peter Normington]

quote brian little:

peter was it your wallet opening

Trust me Brian It NEVER opens that fast

Peter

[Brian Little]

aww aww ….nik your a swat 😀 😀

[Brian Little]

quote Peter Normington:

quote brian little:

peter was it your wallet opening

Trust me Brian It NEVER opens that fast

Peter

😀 😀 😀 😀

[Nick Minall]

Sorry John I didn’t have a fiver to send it on 😕

[Peter Normington]

There you go John

Peter

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[Phill Fenton]

quote brian little:

peter was it your wallet opening

No …it was his wallet closing :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

[Phill Fenton]

quote Peter Normington:

A conspiracy theory attempts to explain the ultimate cause of an event (usually a political, social, or historical event) as a secret, and often deceptive, plot by a covert alliance of powerful people or organizations rather than as an overt activity or as natural occurrence. Researchers who advocate the conspiratorial view claim that most major events in history have been dominated by conspirators who manipulate political happenings from behind the scenes.

The term “conspiracy theory” is usually used by mainstream scholars and in popular culture to identify a type of folklore similar to an urban legend, especially an explanatory narrative which is constructed with methodological flaws.[1] The term is also used pejoratively to dismiss claims that are alleged by critics to be misconceived, paranoid, unfounded, outlandish, irrational, or otherwise unworthy of serious consideration. For example “Conspiracy nut” is used as a pejorative term. Most people who have their theory or speculation labeled a “conspiracy theory” reject the term as prejudicial.

Peter

Where did you learn all them big words Peter 😮

[Peter Normington]

not mine Phil, I have problems with anything bigger than a four letter word, cut and paste is useful though,

Peter

[Brian Little]

quote Phill:

quote brian little:

peter was it your wallet opening

No …it was his wallet closing :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

..Phill we couldnt possible accept that note up here …its not legal tender 😀 😀 😀

[Steve Morgan]

Could it be argued that the first humanoid to light a fire created a light that tavelled much, much faster than sound?

[Steve Morgan]

Sorry – rephrase that If the human made a some kind of a light, to see where he was going, out of animal fat etc then he made a tool.

[Peter Normington]

good point Steve. I love lateral thinking. But as light is not an object, I dont think in counts, you could argue that the first f@rt made by man also travelled at the speed of sound, and if he was pointing his bum downhill, it probably broke the sound barrier.

Peter

[Harry Cleary]

Phil thats not a conspiracy theory, well not in my book anyway. I would be interested to hear of any of these conspiracies, that have been proved to be the real facts years down the line?

any takers?

Peter[/quote]

Once upon a time the world was ‘convinced’ by the powers that be that the Earth was flat, and yes it was a conspiracy for which the Vatican has only recently apologised……unless you are suggesting that it isnt round?………..you’re not……..are you? 😀 😀 😀
Brian Little may well be the modern day Gallileo!!!

[Brian Little]

quote Peter Normington:

good point Steve. I love lateral thinking. But as light is not an object, I dont think in counts, you could argue that the first f@rt made by man also travelled at the speed of sound, and if he was pointing his bum downhill, it probably broke the sound barrier.

Peter

ahh but peter what if you lit that f""t ……would that count as fastest light & sound …..could it also be argued peter that this could be classed as the first disco ….or have i taken this to far

[Peter Normington]

Shall we call it a day Brian, its not Friday after all.

Want to talk about signs?

Peter

[Brian Little]

quote Peter Normington:

Shall we call it a day Brian, its not Friday after all.

Want to talk about signs?

Peter

signs nahh i dont no a thing about them.. but mabe we should call it a day 😀 😀

[Steve Morgan]

Brian
I think that may have been the tv ad for british gas.

[Marcella Ross]

quote John Childs:

Brian, I’ve got the front page of a newspaper from 14th April 1912. Fortunately nobody is arguing about the sinking of the Titanic. 🙂

We won’t argue about that one John because we all know it wasn’t the Titanic that sank, but her sister ship The Olympic 😀

[Shane Drew]

quote brian little:

well im gona tell you anyway that a guy from errol perthshire flew higher and longer long before orvil & wilbur right did …but it was never documented 😀 😀

yeah but he was smoking pot Brian, that doesn’t count 😛 Everyones said he was higher than a kite 😉

[Peter Normington]

Brian just in case you are interested, discovery chanel have Untold stories, moon landing, coming on at 7.00 may be interesting and refresh memories of the stars n stripes flapping on the moon.

Peter

[Brian Little]

yep i see thay pete …but the fact is if i try to turn the it over when my girlfriend is watching something else ….ill be seeing stars alright !!!!!!

but thanks anyway mate

hey just out of interest is Neil Armstrong still alive? i know buZ is …dont know about mike collins tho either

[Peter Normington]

Do you believe the X factor really happened then Brian?

😀

Peter

[Brian Little]

[quote="Peter Normington"]Do you believe the X factor really happened then Brian?

😀

Peter[/quote when NASA think that theres to many doughters ….they make these programmes now and again lol

[Peter Normington]

quote brian little:

quote Peter Normington:

Do you believe the X factor really happened then Brian?

😀

Peter[/quote when NASA think that theres to many doughters ….they make these programmes now and again lol

Sorry Brian not sure what you mean,

but how many times did nasa fake the landings, was it everyone of them or just the first one?

😀

Peter

[Brian Little]

well everyone of them were faked …..all filmed in area 51 ….in the 60s i think we were all a bit more gulable …not willing to question our goverments …..or the all important media …dont you agree ….but hey thats my opinion …and anyway why you trying to revamp a dead link :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: iiits saturday night …aint that bath night for you lol 😀

[Peter Normington]

quote brian little:

well everyone of them were faked …..all filmed in area 51 ….in the 60s i think we were all a bit more gulable …not willing to question our goverments …..or the all important media …dont you agree ….but hey thats my opinion …and anyway why you trying to revamp a dead link :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: iiits saturday night …aint that bath night for you lol 😀

Sorry Brian it is a dead link,
the moon landing never happened. its just a dream from the flower power, dope soaked sixties, the beatles never existed, and aliens killed JFK for planning to invade their space..

😀 😉

Peter