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    Posted by Warren Beard on March 27, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Hi All

    A job I did today and used my new trestles for the first time and all I can say is I don’t know how I ever lived without them. This job would have taken me 2-3 times longer on ladders and although I could not do the entire fascia without moving it it was great having them. They are 10 foot and a 12 foot platform.

    The fascia was using my first aluminium powder coated tray from Ashby (great service from them), also first order from Fabricut for the mirror dibond letters and they were also very good with service and price. Lastly a bit of 5 year chrome and gold vinyl from Grafityp.

    Cheers

    Warren


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  • Jill Marie Welsh

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    That turned out really smart, Warren.
    And you were smart for getting new trestles!
    😉
    Love….Jill

  • Peter Normington

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Warren nice job and nice trestles, I see you are being safety conscious by taping off the area,
    But I think H&S would say you need a rail across the trestles so you cant step back to admire your work….

    Peter

  • Hugh Potter

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 6:26 pm
    quote Peter Normington:

    But I think H&S would say you need a rail across the trestles so you cant step back to admire your work….

    Peter

    and you need some of that plastic yellow gangway stuff for the pedantics to walk around on the side of the road!! fall arrester? tut tut!!!

    good job though, looks cool!

  • Kevin Flowers

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 7:08 pm
    quote Peter Normington:

    Warren nice job and nice trestles, I see you are being safety conscious by taping off the area,
    But I think H&S would say you need a rail across the trestles so you cant step back to admire your work….

    Peter

    & kick boards

  • Richard Urquhart

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    100% mate well done, how much did you pay for the walkboard ?? and is it 10feet long
    thanks rich

    the sign looks very nice !!

  • Warren Beard

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 7:34 pm
    quote Richard Urquhart:

    100% mate well done, how much did you pay for the walkboard ?? and is it 10feet long
    thanks rich

    the sign looks very nice !!

    Hi Rich

    It is 12foot and cost about £120, the trestles are 10foot. ( all from Sitebox, if you phone them you will get 5% discount)

    Thanks for all the comments guys.

    cheers

    Warren

  • Graeme Harrold

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Fall arrest gear on trestles are more likely to do more damage than good as you will probably hit the ground before it kicks in or pull the whole lot down on top of you….adding insult to further injury. If you were to clip on, best bet is to fit a temp pad eye to the wall above the sign…….pain in the ar$e, but will keep you safe(er)!!! Again a safety rail on that setup is more likely to trip you up and compound your fall…..As a 1 man company its a difficult balance between cost and safety, but above all keep the public safer first…….

    Fantastic sign though, I was in Winchester a few months ago and did see a couple of your creations up close, and as a sign maker you definitely focus on quality…….keep up the good work Warren.

  • Lynn Normington

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    excellent work Warren 😀

    Lynn

  • Lorraine Burke

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Sign looks great, really clean looking 🙂

  • Phill Fenton

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Excellent – You should be very pleased with that one Warren – Well done 😀

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    nice sign warren, well done mate… you should go from strength to strength in this line of business because you are doing your best to do everything correct. from your signage, to access to health and safety. we have two sets of alloy and one set of wooden trestles with catwalks… wouldn’t/couldn’t be without them, but would not buy the wooden ones again. too heavy and do not last as long.
    As for the tape/cones surrounding the trestles… well done!
    as Graeme says, the general public’s safety should be your first priority. in all the years i have been making signs i can count on one hand the amount of times i have seen a small scale sign firm coning off the area they are working on, on the high street. good for you… :appl:

  • Nicola McIntosh

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    well done warren…nice sign 😀

    nik

  • Steve Underhill

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Nice one warren, looks good.
    Also your choice of suppliers was a good move too.
    I used Brimark the other day for the first time, 700 quid cheaper on a set of 27 stainless letters than 2 other sign firms for brushed 2mm stainless.:o
    And Ashby seems a good choice too, I have just opened an account there and they do some great stuff.
    Nice sign.

  • Ian Bingham

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 10:27 pm
    quote Steve Underhill:

    Nice one warren, looks good.
    Also your choice of suppliers was a good move too.
    I used Brimark the other day for the first time, 700 quid cheaper on a set of 27 stainless letters than 2 other sign firms for brushed 2mm stainless.:o
    And Ashby seems a good choice too, I have just opened an account there and they do some great stuff.
    Nice sign.

    nice job warren!

    Steve welcome to the world of packaging from ashbys

    Ian

  • Steve Underhill

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Whats wrong with Ashbys packaging?
    can it be worse than Amari’s?
    IE 2 sheets of dibond on a pallete together with corrugated cardboard only on the outside so the corners slide around on the rest and scratch it?

  • Ian Bingham

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    Nothing wrong with it, its brill, you just need a big bin and half an hour to get in it!, with all the scrap packing pieces i saved over the years, took them to the scrappy and got 80 quid cash for it

    Ian 🙂

  • Steve Underhill

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Oh thats ok then, was thinking it was Amari type scrimp and scratch

  • Craig Bond

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Nice one mate. Is that the Ral 3003?

  • Warren Beard

    Member
    March 28, 2008 at 10:55 am
    quote Craig Bond:

    Nice one mate. Is that the Ral 3003?

    Sure is 😛 I haven’t heard from the customer yet but I think the colour was good.

    And yes the packaging from Ashby is very good, seriously, but it also helps with transporting to site without damage so is good to have, it’s just getting rid of it that’s the problem 😕

  • Peter Dee

    Member
    March 28, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Really nice Warren.
    Those 10ft trestles look enormous.

    They are just brilliant for shopfronts but also make putting graphics over lorry/van cabs a doddle.

    I’ve got the handrails and brackets etc but never used them yet due to the hassle.
    However, alright if it’s just me but with hired help a must over 1.6m or I wouldn’t fancy the Court case if they fell backwards.

  • Neill Hague

    Member
    March 28, 2008 at 11:11 am

    Looks good Warren, i will have to look out for it next time I’m in Winchester.

    Might have to invest in a set of those trestles, even if we only used them for doing the front of vehicles like Peter said.

  • John Singh

    Member
    March 28, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Nice one Warren

    Tasty looking job!

    I’ve still got the wooden trestles (very heavy to lug around)
    On certain jobs I wouldn’t work without the trestles because its safer and a lot quicker to carry out jobs where fixing is concerned

    On smaller jobs I prefer to take ladders purely because of the logistics of working in London

  • Dave Harrison

    Member
    March 28, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    First class job Warren, you’ll begin to wonder how you fitted signs without them soon !

    I have often wondered if the handrail would be of any support if you fell against it. . . I get the feeling that instead of falling off the decking you’d simply fall over with it ?

  • John Childs

    Member
    March 28, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    I was speaking to a self employed fitter of my acquaintance earlier this week and he told me that on a lot of the sites he goes to these days they will not allow trestles on safety grounds.

    Which is a shame because we need some way of doing the front of high roof vans.

    Nice sign Warren. Just what we have come to expect of you. 😀

  • Kevin Flowers

    Member
    March 29, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    John
    you can get handrails for them, should make them usable


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  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    March 29, 2008 at 8:47 pm
    quote John Childs:

    I was speaking to a self employed fitter of my acquaintance earlier this week and he told me that on a lot of the sites he goes to these days they will not allow trestles on safety grounds.

    not sure how much of what he says can be true mate… as Kev shows here this is probably the most extreme case of prevention for trestles.
    as you know i have been swatting up on regulations due to trying to move our company to ISO 9001 approved and i do not recall anything stating this.
    hope not anyway… 😀

  • John Childs

    Member
    March 29, 2008 at 9:47 pm
    quote Robert Lambie:

    not sure how much of what he says can be true mate…

    I’ve known Darren for fourteen years, he worked for me for ten of them, and I’m sure that if he says that he is not allowed to use trestles then that’s the case.

    Whether the owners of the premises he is working on are over interpreting the regulations is another matter, but the fact remains that he cannot use trestles on those sites.

    Despite the handrail I still don’t fancy trestles for the front of high top vans. The angle of the roof means that the fitter would have to lean over a lot and I think something with a lot wider base would be needed to be safe. I reckon it’s got to be something custom made. 🙁

  • Andrew Boyle

    Member
    March 29, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    I was told recently it had to be a mini tower on site….while fitting vinyl with a high vis vest, safety boots, hard hat, GLOVES & GLASSES……CSCS card and PASMA……..jeez 😀

  • David Rowland

    Member
    March 29, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    my colleagues have also said to me in the past that trestles cause issues, we dont have any… although we seem to have a small podium step thing now, was bought due to shopping centre regs.

  • Shane Drew

    Member
    March 30, 2008 at 1:27 am
    quote John Childs:

    Despite the handrail I still don’t fancy trestles for the front of high top vans. The angle of the roof means that the fitter would have to lean over a lot and I think something with a lot wider base would be needed to be safe. I reckon it’s got to be something custom made. 🙁

    You’re not wrong john, I used to have a contract here for custom made motor homes and the trestles were a nightmare leaning toward a sloping roof. Not safe at all. I gave the contract away, so never pursued it any further.

    Good job tho Warren. Agree with what others have said mate. Its what we’ve come to expect from your work.

  • Phill Fenton

    Member
    March 30, 2008 at 10:34 am
    quote John Childs:

    Despite the handrail I still don’t fancy trestles for the front of high top vans. The angle of the roof means that the fitter would have to lean over a lot and I think something with a lot wider base would be needed to be safe. I reckon it’s got to be something custom made. 🙁

    If you place your trestles up against a wall (so that the long edge of the platform is running parallel too and is ideally touching) you can nose each vehicle in until the bonnet is almost touching the wall. This way the platform can’t topple backwards when someone is leaning forwards when working off the platform.

    Or do what I do and stand on the bonnet 😕

  • Paul Humble

    Member
    March 30, 2008 at 10:48 am

    Lovely looking sign.

    I work for Shell at the moment and we wouldnt allow those trestles to be used on our sites unless a harness was fastened to a secure fixing (not the trestles).

    I think most oil companies are the same these day, anything over 1.5m causes us a headache, ladders have to be lashed, no trestles etc.

    Have you ever met a scaffolder?? Try to get some of them nutcases in a harness!!

  • John Childs

    Member
    March 30, 2008 at 11:07 am
    quote Phill:

    Or do what I do and stand on the bonnet 😕

    Yes, well, that’s what we do at the moment. In fact I have a skinny light lad especially for that purpose. 😀

    Still doesn’t look very professional though and I would like to do something about it before we are forced into it. Another company that works on the same site has already been told that their fitters can’t walk on van roofs when wrapping them, and been threatened with expulsion if they are seen doing it again. It’s only a matter of time before we come under the spotlight.

    The wall trick is ok, but there’s not always one available. 🙁

  • Darren Clark

    Member
    April 4, 2008 at 12:04 am
    quote Andrew Boyle:

    I was told recently it had to be a mini tower on site….while fitting vinyl with a high vis vest, safety boots, hard hat, GLOVES & GLASSES……CSCS card and PASMA……..jeez 😀

    I agree with andrew we recently asked advice on this and was informed it had to be a tower and tied in at 3m plus along with high vis etc

  • Andrew Boyle

    Member
    April 4, 2008 at 8:12 am

    Was told yesterday they are not happy with steps either and require a podium tower 😕


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