• scaffold banners ???

    Posted by Phil Davies on September 11, 2004 at 1:48 pm

    got order for 20 scaffold banners 750mm by750mm working area
    whats vinyl do you guys use ?
    can i get use 5 yr vinyl (got that in stock) with vinyl edge sealer?
    or do i have to use proper banner vinyl, if so do i have to use vinyl edge sealer? would be interested to know what you use.
    thanks phil

    Robert Lambie replied 19 years, 8 months ago 9 Members · 14 Replies
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  • Chris Wool

    September 11, 2004 at 2:43 pm

    i would use banner vinyl for this cos they treat them very badley std vinyl will crease first time its chucked in the back of the cab overarm ofcause .


  • Carrie Brown

    September 11, 2004 at 2:56 pm

    We would definitely use banner vinyl for these. We do sometimes use standard vinyl on banners but only if they are for very temporary use and needed in a hurry.

    Carrie 😀

  • signworxs

    September 11, 2004 at 8:43 pm

    banner vinull no edge sealer needed

  • John Cornfield

    September 12, 2004 at 12:32 am

    why not get the banners printed?

    No hassle then in terms of vinyls cracking etc.

    There are plenty of users on here with solvent printers that caould help.

  • Robert Lambie

    September 12, 2004 at 10:17 am

    johns right you could just sub it out to a member with solvent printer & get the whole thing done, hemmed eyelets etc.

    on the other hand if doing it with vinyl onto a banner, i would definately do it with banner vinyl. most vinyl suppliers offer a banner grade material. its much softer than normal vinyl, doesnt go brittle etc & can take a fair bit of abuse.
    it doesnt need anything other than applied as normal. no edge sealer etc.

    for scaffold i think i would go the banner vinyl onto banner route. (just my opinion on this one)
    when having them printed, the downside is… these banners get chucked into the backs of trucks, no care taken what so ever with them. solvent prints would/could be scratched and progressively get worse as time goes on. if the person needs a telephone number changed or somthing like that. you would have to wash the area of banner out with thinners then apply vinyl. doing this with 20 banners could be time consuming and messy.
    if you use banner grdae vinyl, i think the banners will take more abuse.. but you must take care applying them properly. once applied, give them a heat with a heat gun. make shure the vinyl is bonded tight to the surface.
    advise your customer to always roll the banenrs “text out” if storing for long periods of time as this can cause small bubbles to appear in the vinyl.
    as you can see there are small probs to take into consideration with eather method of making the banners.

    hope this helps..

    oh yeh, like i said most suppliers offer a banner grade, one i found particularly sticky was mactac. if you can apply dry then do it, if not make sure you allow plenty time for the moisture beloth the vinyl to escape.

  • Shane Drew

    September 12, 2004 at 11:08 am

    I use oracal 551 on most of my scaffold banners, as from experience, they have a short life anyway. Most end up getting damaged or stolen in the course of the job.

    Banner vinyl is the proper choice tho, but here in OZ it is nearly twice the price of 551, and it is a pretty competative market (here anyway).

    If I really want the job, I’ll give 2 prices and let the client decide. I’ll quote the 551 as a promotional grade, and the banner vinyl as a premium grade.

    In nearly every case they will take the cheaper price because the budget is always tight.

    That is my experience anyway.

    I’d print them too, but you’ll have to clear coat them with liquid laminate (from TECHink or similar) and that will give them an extended life, but it adds to the cost of course.


  • Nicola McIntosh

    September 12, 2004 at 7:51 pm

    hi popdog!!

    how long does the print last on a banner you have just mentioned? i was told 3 to 4 months is that correct?


  • Robert Lambie

    September 12, 2004 at 8:23 pm

    as far as i know, the true solvent inks in the likes of the grenadier/cadet/rockhopper/jv3 (i could be wrong though) are as agressive as screen inks, or just the same.
    if thats the case, i dont see how these type of banners wont last years if treated right.
    as you will know they arent perminant situated. just up on jobs here and there. not fixed permanantly south facing that could make them fade over a few years.
    when i used to ink curtain siders using serical inks they would last years, i even see some old ones i did running about today.
    the down side i would say is scratches etc due to abuse..
    i hope who told you 3 – 4 months is wrong. 😕 . if thats the case ive made a big mistake buying our printer. 😕

  • Nicola McIntosh

    September 12, 2004 at 8:32 pm

    rob reason i asked was, i used to screenprint a lot of blinds, which as you know last a life time!! the client has since decided to stop using me and go digital!! the blind material, that i printed on was very thick, and had a few grade variants (thickness & textures) can those machines actually print what i have mentioned? just curious!! 😛


  • Nicola McIntosh

    September 12, 2004 at 8:59 pm

    ohhh… dippy me!!!!!

    folks i do apologise, i am going on about printed window blinds!!
    sorry not banners!! 😳 😳


  • Robert Lambie

    September 12, 2004 at 11:43 pm

    hi nik
    not sure to be honest. from what i believe the true solvent machines can print onto a wider range of uncoated media than the ecosolvent.
    what i do know is… you can easily print onto, mesh banner, banner, polyester, tyvek, vinyl, paper, canvas etc “so maybe blinds are possible?” 😕
    maybe rodney or somone else will be able to give a more accurate reply on the capabilities of the inkjet. though, depending on the “type” of printer used. yes you can easily print directly onto the likes of blinds…
    there are many machines on the market with various capabilities.
    one for instant prints directly onto thick pile carpets or floor carpet tiles, another prints directly onto roller shutter doors.. the list goes on..

  • Kevin.Beck

    September 13, 2004 at 6:53 am

    give the customer a choice when pricing.

    1 quote for using banner viny, another for printed banners.

    I`ve just started to make masks and ink the banners, using a simple small foam roller. Its not as hard as you think. Though which way to go, might depend upon the design.

    I started to do this when a customer came back with a banner that a few of the letters had started to peel off. (orical banner material) Turned out he was using it at market, so every day it was rolled out and then rolled back again.

    Ask the customer how many times the banner will be rolled up and thrown in the back of the van. In your case it`ll be every other day. So I`d go for the printed option. Charge more of course. Make sure you use a good grade material for the banner. Curtain sider material is ideal.

    If you pm me I`ll give you a supplier right on your door step in Stoke.


  • Phil Davies

    September 14, 2004 at 6:53 am

    thanks for the advice guys

    its banner vinyl on heavy duty banners for this job( in a rush should have been done already :oops:)

    will defo consider consider subbing out on future orders

    thanks kev nice to hear from somebody in the same area 😀
    hope this is not an obvious one but :
    what do you make masks out of ?
    what ink do you use?

    doesnt anybody use letter edge sealer,
    is it a waste of money

  • Robert Lambie

    September 14, 2004 at 9:31 am

    use spary mask/stencil from most suppliers. its a very cheap thick vinyl with low tac. its easily removed after inking/spraying.
    i use mactac and oracals versions of this poroduct. most will do the same.
    just stick it in your plotter cut as normal but instead of weeding waste, weed the letters out and apply the waste. ink in the letters and remove waste, yor left with ink letters on your banners. 😉
    dries very fast too… remember use inks not paint 😀

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