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  • Phill Fenton

    Member
    September 16, 2003 at 6:37 pm

    That seems like a very interesting machine, although I haven’t yet heard of it in the UK.
    (oops – It’s actually featured on the UK website:-
    http://www.roland.co.uk/gr10/dg/versa.asp)

    Funnily enough, about 15 months ago a Roland engineer told me there would be a solvent inkjet on the market soon priced on a par with the colorcamm but with much lower running costs.

    If it’s as good as it says – this will certainly interest me 😀

  • Steve Thurlow

    Member
    September 16, 2003 at 7:12 pm

    Hmmm looks like an interesting machine, but I bet when it’s available in the UK the dollar sign will be replaced with a pound sign = £15,000 + VAT, (:)

    Steve

  • Mark Candlin

    Member
    September 16, 2003 at 7:28 pm

    I went and saw a “uniform grenidier” printer at BP graphics recently and was told the “jnr” version will be out this Christmas. The machine was effectivley a modified Roland of some sort. Price was quoted as around 10k. Its a eco-solvent print and cut, same specs as the VersaCAMM I think. I got hold of some samples and I got to say the quality is excellent.
    Ink cost is about £3.50 per square metre.

    Gotta say Iam tempted to get one when it comes out.

  • Lorraine Buchan

    Member
    September 16, 2003 at 8:22 pm

    Mark,

    I’m also having a look at this machine soon too – but i posted a bit on it before i knew what it was, and apparently there is a deal where you don’t pay for the machine – you just need to buy two sets of ink per month, though the disscusion is who much your actually gonna use it, to get throught that much ink??

  • Rodney Gold

    Member
    September 17, 2003 at 5:01 am

    I have seen the Versacam and had some experience with it and its a real little gem – its really affordable at about R100 000 here and R12 = GBP1 – so Im sure it will be under 10k.
    I have its much bigger brother – the Soljet Pro II.
    Its a 4 colour machine , not a 6 colour , doing CMYK – it prints to 1440 dpi , but in reality the profiles only go 720 x 1440 – one would very seldom use the 1440×1440 mode anyway – the reason it doesnt use 1440 x 1440 is that it uses a new inkset and heater – and 1440×1440 deposits too thick an ink layer for it to dry properly. I might be wrong here , there might be upgrades to the RIP etc
    It’s not a blindingly fast machine , the big soljets print about 4x faster. This is not a problem unless you are pumping out huge amounts of graphics.
    Inks are the same as the other rolands and cost about $75 a 220 ml cartrige.
    We work on about 200-250 sq m for a 12 cart inkset – so I would imagine that one would get about 80-100 sq m for a 4 colour set , IE about 800 sq ft for $300 – about 40 pence per sq ft and that is conservative.
    You can expect to print round 2-4 sq m an hour at a medium to highish resolution – cutting is pretty fast too and very very accurate.
    You can actually print , overlaminate and reload (the machine works it all out for you) and then cut.
    The 4 colours vs 6 are not much of a problem unless you are doing “art” type printing , colours are nice and vibrant , blacks are black and not muddy

    What can it print on – well most uncoated vinyls , most papers , most self adhesive papers , some Canvas , most fabrics and poly weaves , some holographic foils , some really exotic subtratres like laserable spectrum lite foils , clear vinyls , backlit , most banner materials , scrim banner , fire retardant banner , plain banner , perforated films , some cold laminating films , acetates etc.
    Results are variable on uncoated media , depending on the profiles used , a lot of stuff doesnt have a profile and one has to fiddle – using rolands coated media gives better results than uncoated in terms of smoothness of print. This too is pretty academic unless you use a loupe to examine the print (I do!!)
    Most stuff comes out dry to the touch , some are slightly tacky , but dry in a few minutes , unlike the older rolands whose prints came out quite wet.
    It is a very dandy affordable machine and is going to shake up the industry a bit – it empowers those thatr dont want to spend $30k on large format to compete in the industry.
    The RIP alone , which is a Wasatch RIP is excellent – one of the best around , its quick and has some great features and albeit it’s not the FULL wasatch rip (being customised for roland) it has most of the features.
    There is a nesting feature that will optimise print material , it takes the various shapes you cut and fits them as close together as possible to conserve space.
    The machine is maintenance free to all intents and purposes , you just clean it – no flushing pipes , messy inks etc etc.
    It doesnt have a network card , but a USB port and on big big files , this slows down tranmission a little , but its not a problem (It might be if the machine printed faster)
    Its as good as just about any large format printer and a lot better than some at 5x the price. It’s obviously not meant for digital shops that churn out 100’s of sq meters a day – the smaller size also makes handling rolls of media easier.
    One thing I didnt look at was whether it can adjust head height to print on media up to 1mm thick like the bigger machine does , the specs dont indicate a material thickness.
    Im not a roland agent , and in fact am sort of wary of roland promises but this looks ok to me – I am not sure what place the roland PC60/600 will have with this product out ?
    I would take the Dealer a CMYK image and a “spot” colour image and ask them to print for you to see how the solid colours are printed , their accuracy and how it handles shading and fades on the CMYK image.
    I think its worth a look and is a better bet overall bang for the buck , than the bigger machines , its limitations vs them are not worth 2-3x the price.

  • Rodney Gold

    Member
    September 17, 2003 at 5:28 am

    I forgot to add this
    durability : on uncoated media you tend to destroy the vinyl when scratching with a sharp object to get print off , uncoated vinyl also withstands the wet finger rubbed vigourously overt the print test – some solvents remove the print instantly (citrus oil cleaners are deadly) – as to UV stability , well most inks are uv stable for their rated life.
    If I was doing anything like vehicle wraps , I would use some sort of lamination or coating , same with anything that will be handled a lot
    On Coated media (and it DOES print a little better on coated) the media and coating will determine the resistance to damage – some are hardfy and some are VERY fragile.
    If the print is tacky when it comes out touching it reduced its gloss , but doesnt smear it much. , some Medias actually dont work very well , like the shiny silver polyester vinyl or reflective vinyl , however even if the print is slightly wet or slightly pooled (IE cos its wet it sort of clumps a little) it still does dry pretty durable if not messed with.
    One thing is that the RIP on my big machine has a 2 and 3x overprint function for backlit stuff – IE a much denser ink laydown – this doesnt work as well as a single strike (normal) as it tends to blur the detial a little , I am being real niggly here , but its there.
    As I was writng this post , I tried a print on sparkly lamination film , a sort of cold pressure lamination matt film with a slight sparkle used to finish prints , it worked beautifully – Im sure there is some sort of application for digital printing on laminhation films? If I can print onto something using the soljet , it can be printed using the Versacam – same rip , same ink , same heater technology.

    Not sure whether it would work with the hot films tho

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