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  • Robert Lambie

    September 26, 2002 at 7:04 pm

    very smart tim!
    i like the script “and sons”
    the whole thing works well… what are you going to print the bricks and trowel with?

    i would maybe make the “&” symbol in light green like the “contact”
    breaks the phone numbers apart…

    lovely sign none the less 😉

  • eddie cotter

    September 26, 2002 at 7:56 pm

    lovely design work, great colours, well done tim!!!eddie

  • Martin Pearson

    September 26, 2002 at 10:48 pm

    Nice one Tim, what sort of size is it ?
    Will you just print it all for speed ? what are you going to mount it on ?

    So many questions !!!!!

  • Tim Shaw

    September 27, 2002 at 8:57 am

    It will be 3′ wide all cut vinyl. We will be printing the bricks and trowel on a gerber edge.

    Mounting on 8mm Foamex or piece of dibond if we have a piece kicking about, its that be more durable than Foamex, especially if its going to thrown around a builders van.

  • Martin Pearson

    September 28, 2002 at 12:53 am

    Tim I realise that you are doing this as a favour for a mate, but if you had been asked to do this for a paying customer what sort of money would you have charged ?
    just curious !!

  • Tim Shaw

    September 30, 2002 at 5:50 pm

    Martin, i probably would’nt have produced a design such as this without making sure I had some idea of customer budget.

    Off the top of my head when I have to give price, my rule of thumb for a job about this size is £12.

    1m x £12 x no off colours + 1 ( for board if foamex)

    therefore 1 x £12 x 5= £60 plus labour 1.5 hours total £82.50

    if the board size had been 2000m

    price = 2 x £12 x 5 + labour = £145.

    Hope this makes sense.

  • Phill Fenton

    September 30, 2002 at 6:37 pm

    You’ve lost me completely (?)

    Lovely sign though 😀

  • Robert Lambie

    September 30, 2002 at 7:28 pm

    me too 😕

  • Tim Shaw

    September 30, 2002 at 8:32 pm

    Sorry guys, let me try again.

    The panel size is 1m x .8m.

    I then times the longest measurement by £12. (1m x £12)

    I then times this figure by the number of colours of vinyl used in the sign, in this case 4 ( 2 greens, black and white)

    Add 1 for the foamex panel giving a total of 5.

    5x £12 plus any labour cost gives the total sign panel price.

    Works very quickly in practice.

    There, I hope it makes senses this time.

  • Robert Lambie

    September 30, 2002 at 8:39 pm

    ah i understand tim.. 😀
    surely you dont pay the same for foamex as you do vinyl though 😕

  • Tim Shaw

    September 30, 2002 at 8:47 pm

    We get a sheet of 5mm for £25, 8’x4′ Foamalux

    £50 if you double up. Therefore a third of a sheet is charged at £17, cost price is £8.

  • Robert Lambie

    September 30, 2002 at 9:01 pm

    ok tim no worries mate.. i was just wondering because you said..

    quote :

    Therefore a third of a sheet is charged at £17, cost price is £8.

    but you charged £12 for the foamex.. i guess at the end of the day. if you are happy with what you charge then thats the main thing 😉

  • Phill Fenton

    September 30, 2002 at 10:11 pm

    Does that mean you would charge the same for a sign 1m x 1m as a sign 1m x 500mm (both with the same no. of colours)?

    Surely this method throws up a number of inconsistencies? (Rob – can we get a spell check please)

    How did you arrive at this method for pricing work?

    I hope you don’t mind my asking – I think it’s an interesting subject – and I am very interested to hear how others go about pricing their work 😀

    (I use a spreadsheet to price mine – this is very quick and easy – but doesn’t take into account very well the degree of difficulty in making a sign. I don’t think there’s a perfect way to price signs, many methods are very cumbersome – so any method that’s quick and easy has it’s own advantages). Maybe we should open a forum on pricing work?

  • Tim Shaw

    October 1, 2002 at 10:11 am

    i know what you are saying Martin, I have been looking at this problem myself for quite a long time.

    Like I said this method is so I can give a price quickly, If I was making
    10 or so the same, then I would look at the prices a lot closer.

    These prices are an example remember. As Rob says I would only charge
    £12 for the board which cost £8 but the small amout of light green on the job offsets the costs a little.

    I have tried using a spreadsheet before but this as its own problems.

    Square area charging works to a point, but what do you do when the panel size goes over the half way mark on an 8×4 sheet. Say the sign is 2’6″ x 4’6″ ( 11.25 sq feet with 20.75 sg ft wasted) !!!!!

    Do you charge per sq/foot now or do you charge for the full sheet.

    If I charge by the running metre on the longest side, I am including waste.

    If the sign is very complex just increase the £12 figure accordingly.

    You use a spreadsheet , what would you be charging ?

    Do you charge for

  • Phill Fenton

    October 1, 2002 at 11:19 am

    For a sign 1000mm x 800mm x 5mm PVC sign – 4 colours and an area printed (say 250mm x 250mm thermal transfer print). I would have priced this at 97 pounds + VAT.

    I might also add on a precentage increase to this figure as it’s a very good design – and quite a complex sign to put together.

    I usually disregard materials wasted as these offcuts always get used eventually for something.

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