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Pop-up stand material, thoughts please?
Looking to opinions on this one.
We have been making lots of banner stands over the last few months. No problems as yet. However in the beginning we would do everything on digital banner material. Worked and looked great!
Not so log ago after covering the best part of a stands banner in print, we noticed a few days down the line the banner curling in on itself down each side!
On I came to the boards and asked opinions. Was advised of the kentmere type polyester backed material. Much more expensive etc but does stay flat.
My grumble here is that the finish is not glossy like the banner material or even a temp one we did in a semi-gloss paper. It has a very matt finish to it. I know by laminating I will add sheen and darken the colours, at same time protect the print. But im still not happy with the matt finish. Everything else I have used until now is nice and glossy, rich in colour. Anyway, again, no complaints… last week we did 10 popup stands for one customer. Very pleased and away they went. Did there exhibition and that was that. They came back in yesterday for more stuff, so I asked what they thought of stands. They said they were perfect, looked great. But a company on the next stand had same, but appeared to be much more vibrant and they wondered was it their design or the material? I told them it was the material & that I thought same. But said ide ask for any better alternatives on here?I have another 10 displays to do for this customer in two weeks, I have used the last of our film for the stands, so need to get more in. but before doing so, is there anything better for a more vibrant finish?
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if you are using the opaljet sv on the grenadier the clour gamut is very poor indeed compared to hp5500 dye printed media no comparison.
most sign houses have plumbed for solvent printers as it best suits the market they are in with crossover into exhibitions think the JV3 is getting best result on the sv media.
we had kentmere come and try to profile for the grenadier and could not get a good enough profile.
two things i would try but depends whether you mean rollup or popup display rollup beng a single panel popup being a multiple panel.
for rollup get a lightweight encapsulate 100 – 125 mic and apply a vinyl to it with your laminator or for popup use a heavy weight encap. I cant see this not working thing is put as little tension on you rollers as this creates the curl. Everything curls on rollup except the reverse print polycarb style media.
will pm you
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Are we talking about 2.1M by 900mm or the 3M by 3M chaps
If itis the former we do not hav eproblem with curling at the edges and we dont use Kentmer because we had a alot of problems with their material. Tend to find that matt is best as you get alot of bright lights in exhibitions so you dont want glossy, also have good material for the big guys 3M by etc but that is matt as well.
Maybe I am ranting but I dont understand
regards adrian
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sorry guys, I’m talking the roll-up type stands 900ishmm wide. i call everything with regards to these sort of exhibition stands as “pop-ups” :lol1: i know i know… its not, and there are many names, but as long as i know what i mean eh? :lol1: probably wrong way of looking at it on here though… how to confuse folk. 😀
the Matt finish isn’t so much the problem its more lack of being vibrant that gets me.. almost appears washed out to me. i had some from kentmere and some from hexus.
we never had probems with the banner material, until i noticed on a stand that hadnt been rolled in in some time was beginning to curl.
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Hi Adrian,
What machine do you use to print on, and what material do you find the best, do you laminate, if so what thickness laminate do you use, we are just looking at getting into this area and until now have been buying all our print in.
Thanks,
Chris.
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Rob,
the lack of vibrancy is the same using the JV3 SP and K Opaljet 125
Andrew
did notice on my machine the stored hexis profile worked a lot better then the pre set kentmere profile – don’t have too much time for experimenting with profiles
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John is correct on his comments, this is what we found on our 6 colour JV3, I know that John knows this market well but our results with OpalJet (the glossy thin one) was good, colour gamut held well but found black to be very thick on ink, took ages to dry. The OpalJet comes in matt and gloss types, the matt does look flat and boring… once clear lamination applied it lifts a bit.
However Roller-Pop Up banners could be treated the same, but sticking to thick banner materials, however you can struggle when rolling it up. Found attaching the banner material to the roller a bit of a struggle too.
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Dave,
the Kentmere Opaljet doesn’t come in gloss, does it?
Cheers
Andrew
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dave, ill be honest, if it wasnt for the banner curling ide still be using it now. infact i do at times, depending on the customer and how much print is on the banner.
we dont have any bother attaching it with double sided tape at bottom and the clip at top or clip and tape. colours/print good, mechanism works well and easy to erect. just the bloody curling. 😕 -
Hi hirs
We have a Roland SC540 using B&P Active Full Solvent inks. We buy our roll up 900mmm by 2,1M and Pop UP 3M by 3M (two different materials in bulk from Taiwan, Dont have any problem with colours vibrancy or curling.
Hard to show on here but if Rob wants to send us a file we will print it for him (free of charge) to show and then he can decide and report back to you.
Reagrds Adrian
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quote Andrew Boyle:Dave,
the Kentmere Opaljet doesn’t come in gloss, does it?
Cheers
Andrew
i don’t have the list to hand… on the back of AIT prices.. then thin one.
Ok, i don’t know what it is called but I believe it is a Hexis product -
We use Dickson’s single sided, it is strong and doesn’t curl. I think we are now on VuFlex, its a little thinner but a bit brighter. I seen some popups okay with that.
We also do the double sided tape route… but found that some of the systems fails after a period of time, the tape weakens.
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I’m using a product from ATech, mediaTech easiblock 125.
I print this on my HP3000 with pigmented inks, it has a slightly satin sheen to it, not totally Matt.
Only problem I have is it seems to take ages to dry but I suspect it may work with you Grenadier Rob.Steve
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The signage guys a crossing over into the display markets with one hand tied behind your backs solvent machines are good dont get me wrong but dye based machines win on quality hands down. Especially the new generation of inkjets around now.
Nothing i have seen at any trade show to date on any solvent machine to date matches the quality of print off even 5 year old technology of HP5500, Epson9000.
I am sure i was told that the nature of solvent ink and particle size, and suspension of the particle sizes within the solvent itself meant that it could never achieve the colour gamut of water based inks.
solvent eats into banner (PVC banner) and causes shrinking, same with vinyl so the shrink causes tension and thus creates curl. the curl reduces the thicker the media but thicker medoia won’t go in a cassette catch 22.
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Stephen,
it wont work on a solvent machine the inks disolve the coating – we tried.
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Sovent printers in my experience are no good for exhibiton prints. They’ll never mach the quality or vibrancy of an inkjet printer using dye inks. The solvent ink just does’nt work with the materials properly, they seam to print wishy washy colours with no contrast. I used our cadet to print a pop-up, and I was ashamed to put my name to it. So I bought a dye based printer for exhibition work and left the cadet to do the vinyl prints. Its no good having a printer thats a jack of all trades and a master of none. Dye ink for exhibitions and solvent for signs.
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quote signworkshop:Sovent printers in my experience are no good for exhibiton prints. They’ll never mach the quality or vibrancy of an inkjet printer using dye inks. The solvent ink just does’nt work with the materials properly, they seam to print wishy washy colours with no contrast. I used our cadet to print a pop-up, and I was ashamed to put my name to it. So I bought a dye based printer for exhibition work and left the cadet to do the vinyl prints. Its no good having a printer thats a jack of all trades and a master of none. Dye ink for exhibitions and solvent for signs.
good to see a man “both” sides of the fence, giving his honest opinions “and” putting his money were his mouth is!
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I was just wondering if there has been any develoment on banner [roll up] materials that I don’t know about.
Have a roll of the Kentmere and Dickson Banner.
Using the JV3.Is there anything available that is effective and does not require laminating or that is [effective and vibrant that does require laminating]
Cheers
Andrew
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best bet is to use HP 5500 its the best in market for POP up displays,
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Hey Rob,
I’m not sure if you can get it, but I would recommend Sihl Pop up with a satin laminate. It’s awesome for what I would call a retractable bannerstand. The only issue I had is when I used different laminates. One manufacturers brand would work great and the graphics would stay flat for a long time. But another brand would curl within a few days.
The other thing you have to be cautious of is the combinded thickness of the media and laminate. If you get too thick of a combination, the banner will not retract back into the canister.Checkers
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Ok not sure if I’m doing the right thing opening up this discussion again but I was wondering if anyone had found a solution as yet to stop banner curling in at the edges on these roll up banners.
The reason I’m asking and opening this discussion again is that i have just taken an order to print 15 banner stands which i was going to print onto vu-flex banner using our Cadet Plus now I’m slightly worried that these will curl as they are going to be up long tern in property offices they are not the cassette banner stands but the quick banner type.
So can anyone please give any advice on this, on which material they have found most suitable or should I just not take the chance and print them on stoplight no reason for this it just hasn’t curled in the past but then again colours are not as vibrant as what I’m getting on the banner.
Dave
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:feedback: before I hit the *drink*
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Dave, ask your suppliers about the new Poly material for banners that is available now.
We have 2 materials released here with ‘no curl’ properties, one is a banner matterial the other is a Polypropelene. Both are satin, and really very good. Neither are cheap tho, both are at the premium end of the market. They come out of china and I’d be suprised if they were not available there too.
Just a thought
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Thanks Shane funny you should mention that poly materials I see one of the big Sign companies here are advertising that on their shop front I think they would be the only suppliers here, Ill give them a ring and inquire a little more about that.
Thanks again
Dave
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easystands have launched a new sort of gloss material, looked pretty good. maybe worth giving them a call…
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Ive only ever used Opal jet for any banner stands and never had a problem with it curling and I found the colours were great on it. But its not cheap 😀
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i was using the stuff from hexis with grey back. not cheap, but reasonable to some. my only gripe about this stuff is it leaves a very matt washed finish. not vibrant at all… though good quality prints.
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Easystands new material still needs laminated!
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I am assuming you are printing using solvent inks ?
see http://www.sensitisers.co.uk
Various options for the solvent machine from 165mic / 270mic , advises that may avoid the need for lamination with some printers , surface is a matt white / scratch resistant and has a grey back in most cases.
All are polyester and therefore very stable which reduces the risk of curl.
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The easystands product had a white back, and doesn’t block out the light that well. Stood two up yesterday, and you could see a shadow of the pole through it when the light was on it, thought it was a mark on the graphic at first!
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