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PC 60 Roland
Hi all
I was wondering, although they are an older machine, how many people on the boards are still using their PC60 or PC600 on a regular basis?If you do not reply, please use the anonymous voting poll above this post please.
Thank you…
Peter
There is a good reason for asking this, but I will explain later. 😀
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28 Replies
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only when its a small text job or a number plate or its a hot day and need to keep the door open
Rich 😀 😀
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had mine around 8 – 9 years or so and still would not sell it.
still makes money some jobs inkjets just cant do.Chris
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Just printed and cut 20m on me gerber, black on yellow vinyl,
Far quicker than my jv3, for this particular job, and ready to use or laminate as it comes of the cutter. A bit cheaper to run than the pc60/600
but the same principal, I was going to sell it, but it will produce ten times its worth, over the next year.
Peter
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Just sold mine after 7 years.
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I have a pc 600 peter which I will get working promise 😀
Doesn’t help you with your question though.
Can’t wait for you to explain mate
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well i have mikes
as for use it reguly not yet but hope to be -
I have just noticed a small error in the poll option above. please could you scroll up and vote on the poll, even if you do not reply. thank you 😀
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I only have a PC60 😥 Use it mainly for cutting, only ever print small labels etc. Very expensive to run, but freat for Gold and Silver spot colours.
Jim
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I’ve had a PC60 for nearly 18 months, barely ever use it despite a new head & new carts, just not got the time to spend learning how to use it, although I have had loads of jobs I could do on it.
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I’m just wondering why Roland have discontinued making heads for the Roland pc60 & 600
Do they not feel they have a responsibility to supply parts for machines which are apparently still very much in service by quite a few signmakers
If they have finished making parts does this not make these machines hit the scrap heap before they really need to?
It would seem that many here are not willing to part with them.
They fill a particular need even though they are expensive to run when compared with today’s digital.
It doesn’t make any sense except that Roland seem to be looking after themselves and not the customer
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I fully agree with you John, but is it not just the powers using their elbows to force people into the newer options, ie digital printers. I was always very happy with my PC60 and used it almost up to the day I sold it, I just caved in and bought a Versacamm. Maybe the big elbow worked on me! :lol1: (?)
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Seems I am on the right board to have some professional advise! I say hello from The Netherlands to all the Roland PC-60 users on this forum!!!
I just bought myself a used Roland PC-60 and the print quality is not as I expected yet. I have horizontal lines looking like scratches in my prints and color overlaps look terrible. A huge raster in the print instead of a 600 dpi photo! The guy I bought it from assured me the print head should be perfect. I think it is because I tried printing four 1cm height C,Y,M,K bars and they looked fine except of these small horizontal (scratch) lines. I have to look deeper into the system how to get the best possible print quality.
Myself, I am from The Netherlands and rang Roland if they still supply print-heads for the PC-60 and they do. Cost is 525€ + Tax. They told me all spare parts are available.
One question I have about the spare parts cleaning. I read somewhere on the net that the print-head cleaning solvent is Isopropyl alcohol (97%). So can I use this alcohol to clean the print-head instead of using the Roland head cleaner which I would have to order for 30€? If so, What kind of material (cloth) should be used with the alcohol to wipe the head?
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I just finally setup my pc600 and I am having the same problem, the print quality is not good so far. I know the printer is fine bc when I picked it up the guy printed a test image and it looked good. But now I have the lines like you say you have and I also have dots at random spots.
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Horizontal lines in the print (evenly spaced about 1cm apart) are a sign of print head failure. Sometimes this can be cured by cleaning but if it won’t go away you will need to replace the print head.
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quote Phill:Horizontal lines in the print (evenly spaced about 1cm apart) are a sign of print head failure. Sometimes this can be cured by cleaning but if it won’t go away you will need to replace the print head.
Phill,
Hoping you can help me on this one. I fixed some of the horizontal banding with the line pitch adjustment, but I still have spots where in say a large area of red, there are lighter and darker bands. Also, I just did another print and I have areas that look like white scratches where the resin looks like it didnt lay down. These are random sizes and literally look like someone scratched the surface with something at different spots. Can these problems be solved by replacing the print head? I bought the unit used and I dont think the head was replaced at all in the last 2 to 3 years. Will this solve my problems?Also, do you know if there are any other printers out there that can print in silver and white spot colors for outdoor use like the colorcamms? That is what drew me to the Colorcamm in the 1st place. Please respond when you get a chance!! Much appreciated!!
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Ensure the vinyl you are printing on is scrupulously clean. You need to wipe it down with iso propyl alcohol before every print otherwise you may get patchy areas and also cause head damage.
The head also needs to be set up properly for optimum results. If it has been replaced recently but not set up (there is a voltage adjustment to do) this can cause problems.
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Can you tell me where to do this adjustment? I honestly think the head might be declining bc earlier I was printing and getting decent results with no scratched white areas, but later on have been getting those areas that wont go away. It looks like at spots someone ran sandpaper over the print, they are scratchy white spots and also where the colors are actually laid down, there are lighter and darker areas (almost banding running across the prints).
Just in case you wondered also, I always clean with a cloth with alcohol and make sure there are no debris on the vinyl. The reason I am worried about the print head is bc these problems only started recently in the last few hours of printing.
But just in case, where can the adjustments be made?
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Phill,
I did another test print and now Im not getting the white "scratched" areas as much, almost not at all, but I still have some color banding horizontally. For example, if I print a large area of the same color red, there are noticable lighter and darker bands across the red printed area in an area where it should be the same shade of red. Any thoughts? I am pretty much only printing small decals on this thing, no larger than 8 inches by 5 inches in size each… -
Sorry Keith – I don’t know how to do the voltage set up thing. I’m sure Chris knows a lot more about this than I do. Hopefully he’ll read this thread and be able to offer some help later.
Meanwhile don’t do anything hasty, if you don’t know what you are doing there is a danger you could make it worse. If the problem has only just occured (i.e it was alright before) than it’s unlikely to be the voltage thing.
Another thing well worth trying is different cartidges. I do once re-call having problems with magenta and red not printing properly. The only cure was to replace the ribbons (cartridges).
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Phill, thanks for the help so far. The white scratch problem id definately gone (may have been a bad setting) but I have been consistently getting banding going left to right horizontally. I thought it was the line pitch and I adjusted that but its still just as noticeable. There is color banding if you look up close, and I cant get it to go away, I have tried every setting available. When the print head starts to go bad, is this the type of banding you start to see?
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Do some test prints.
Print a series of rectangles -say 100mm x 100mm one in each colour (C M Y and K). If the problem is only apparent in one colour (ie. magenta) then its the ribbon at fault. If you’re getting the same problem for each colour – then it looks like the head 😥
As I said earlier, if your getting a series of lines (gaps in the print) about 1cm apart – it’s a sure sign that the head is faulty (assuming you’ve tried cleaning the head).
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Hi Keithld
PM me, I can give you some ideas on adj the head .
Ron
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quote Ron Reuter:Hi Keithld
PM me, I can give you some ideas on adj the head .
Ron
Ron,
I cant seem to find how to PM you, can you send one to me until I can figure it out? I would gladly post my email if that would be ok with you, maybe that would be easier, I could show a pic of a print to show what problem Im having (I didnt want to post the email address yet, in case thats something that isnt allowed on here). If it is please let me know, I really need help with this. Thanks in advance.Keith
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Well, I have searched and it seems others have posted their email addresses in posts, so here goes:
Also, heres another issue I had a question on. When I did one of the machines self tests where it prints a test image, test text and a pallette of colored squares, the colors had noticeable dots in them and the test picture had some lighter/darker color banding within like colors. The test print said on the printout it was RGB 144 DPI. I figured the banding or noticeable dots were bc of the lower dpi printout, but when I tried to then print in 1200 x 600 dpi, it really doesnt look much better than the 144 dpi test print, in the black areas you still see tiny dots of the other 3 colors up close and the quality doesnt seem to me like 1200 x 600, you can see noticeable dots the same as the 144 dpi test print. The color banding is very noticable, in an area of blue you will see a red line and in dark areas you can see yellow and red lines.
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I have now cleaned my printhead with Isopropanol (Spray can CHEMIE IPA) , making used of a high density sponge. I also cleaned the print medium with the same stuff. Phill is right it does help A LOT! Now ordered Oracle 751 which should increase the quality even more.
B.t.w. CITIZEN Printiva has the same head as Roland PC60 and can be used according to our Greek friend! He done it 2 years ago and still running fine.
Thank all for the great help so far!!!!
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quote bulkos:I have now cleaned my printhead with Isopropanol (Spray can CHEMIE IPA) , making used of a high density sponge. I also cleaned the print medium with the same stuff. Phill is right it does help A LOT! Now ordered Oracle 751 which should increase the quality even more.
B.t.w. CITIZEN Printiva has the same head as Roland PC60 and can be used according to our Greek friend! He done it 2 years ago and still running fine.
Thank all for the great help so far!!!!
Where can that print head be ordered? Does anyone have a link? Also, how did you fully clean the print head? The only way I know of (Im new to this machine) is to clean the lower right hand edge like it says in the manual. Is there a way to better clean the head? Please instruct. Thanks!!
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You could for example buy a printhead from Roland directly or look here http://lcheapo.net/
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When do we get the explanation please Peter?
You have something up you sleeve I reckon 😀
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