magnetics

[George Elsmore]

http://www.bisbellmagnets.com/shop/index.htm

try these 😀

[Martin Pearson]

Europoint and Grafityp both sell magnetic and they are on the home page.

[Chris Windebank]

thanks George, just called them. Funny, i just found a letter on my desk from Arnoldmagnetics, quoted even cheaper at 46.00 for 10m, wow!

[Martin Pearson]

Is that for vehicle or display grade magnetic? Is it vinyl covered or plain and is the back coated or uncoated. I have found people selling magnetic sheet at all sorts of prices and a lot of the cheaper prices were for very inferior products.

[George Elsmore]

No problem i use the bisbell stuff its good quality i changed to a cheaper version once had nothing but problems you need to go for the .85 grade

G

[David Rogers]

quote George Elsmore:

No problem i use the bisbell stuff its good quality i changed to a cheaper version once had nothing but problems you need to go for the .85 grade

G

Totally agree – I buy from Bisbell too – ordered some at the end of the year. Was about £70 (inc VAT & del) for 10m @ 610. It’s good stuff….and they are reasonably priced for what you get.

ps. it weighs a flippin’ ton!!

Dave

[gazfoz]

Had a customer call in with some magnetics we supplied a couple of months ago, saying that he couldnt remove them off his vehicle. When i tried to remove them they just tore in sections, seemed like the magnetic material was welded to the vehicle. Anyone else ever experienced this??

[David Rogers]

quote gazfoz:

Had a customer call in with some magnetics we supplied a couple of months ago, saying that he couldnt remove them off his vehicle. When i tried to remove them they just tore in sections, seemed like the magnetic material was welded to the vehicle. Anyone else ever experienced this??

Yes. Usually happens if it’s been baked though! (When I’ve stuck bits to a panel heater…). Can only surmise that either the solvents in the paint (if new car) or moisture has ‘bonded’ it to the material.

I think it was Kate (?) that said there was a vinyl backed version of the magnetic – so the actual sheet was not in direct contact. Might be something for us to bear in mind for the future. Hmmm.

Just a thought…but if he’d had them on so long they stuck, maybe normal vinyl would’ve been just as good!

Dave

[Martin Armitage]

We had this problem a couple of years ago, a magnetic welded to the side of a van. We now supply a sheet that goes out with every magnetic supplied with our recommendations ie daily removal and washing, waxing vehicle surface, not applying to curves or repainted surfaces. Plus a few other points. We ended up having to respray a panel of a van at our cost. The van in question was a dark blue and i have a reply from the manufacturers as to the reason why this happens i will have to dig it out.
Our supplier now supplys a disclaimer with every roll of magnetic he supplies.

[Karl Williams]

Ive had this problem twice. Supplier told me the glue from the white face goes through the mag and if left on all the time will bond to the vehicle.

Been supplying mags for 16 years and this has only happened twice.

[David Rogers]

quote KARL WILLIAMS:

… Supplier told me the glue from the white face goes through the mag and if left on all the time will bond to the vehicle…

Surely not…sounds like a cop-out, if that were the case then vinyl adhesive would surely go through paintwork & bond to the steel bodywork – or the back of 0.75mm signs would get sticky..they don’t.

If I had to guess (I don’t, but I will 😀 ) I would suspect that the plasticizers that hold the mag together bond rather well with painted surfaces especially if left a long time, or solvents coming out of the paint break it down when it gets very hot. Total guess of course – but wouldn’t think the adhesive from the vinyl face could ‘penetrate’ nearly 1mm of material and get a grip of the paintwork.

[Karl Williams]

Totally agree with you. The customer thinks this is a cop-out from me, and says I didn’t warn him of this. I can’t warn someone if I didn’t know about it myself. I replaced these to try and keep face with customer, but supplier would not budge. If this was the case then there should have been a warning in the box.Sounds like utter b******s to me!
We supply most of the taxi firms around here, around 25 sets aweek. kids keep nicking them!

[Kate Griffiths]

Hi,
Yeah you can get a back coated magnetic that helps prevent the mag sticking to a vehicle. alot of people dont look after them properly, and if you dont clean behind them often enough you can experience problems, more so in summer where moisture gets trapped behind the mag and the heat reacts and welds it on.

The magnetic should have a high gloss finish on the back, as though it has been laminated for vehicle use- I can send a sample to show you if you need one?

Thanks

KATE

[Stephen Morriss]

I remember someone saying they used hot water of a heat gun on the magnetic and this allowed it to come off without damaging the paintwork.

I hate magnetics anyway, I always try to persuade the customer to have vinyl.

Steve

[gazfoz]

I always tell customers to remove magnetics when not in use, and to clean areas of use regulary. The customer whose magnetic got welded to vehicle told me they removed magnetics every night and cleaned as mentioned. (impossible situation if they are telling you that they are, got to take there word for it). we now supply a care guidelines sheet with every magnetic ordered. customer will still come back though saying they have adhered to guidelines. 🙄

[Karl Williams]

And expect you to pay for their bone-idleness!

[Martin Pearson]

As someone has already said if you are selling magnetics always supply a magnetic care sheet with them and make sure you tell the customer the possible problems if they don’t follow them. I always tell customers that they can weld themselves on if the care instructions are not followed.
Bisbell will provide you with a sheet telling you how to look after them so you don’t even have to try and write something yourself. In fact I think you may be able to download it from their website. Heat will make this happen more quickly and I always advise against any magnetics on the bonnet of a van but if the customer insists then just make sure the invoice has some sort of warning so the customer cant say they weren’t warned at a latter date.

[Karl Williams]

Regarding mags on a bonnet! DEFINATE NO NO! Five years ago I had a break from the sign game, and went to work at an undertakers for a while. we had a call to a road traffic accident. a van involved had been speeding and had a mag on the bonnet. this came off, went through the screen. not a pretty sight!