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London Riots…
To everyone who may have businesses or live in the affected area, keep safe and hope it doesn’t affect you too much.
I ain’t going to comment on the scum doing it because everyone will have their own view and this message is to wish everyone well & not start a political debate
Regards & keep safe
Kev
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Same here Kev, hope anyone local are safe and well…
Rich, are you not close mate?
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My thoughts too.
Are these are close to John Singh as well?
Keep your collective heads down friends. These criminals need to see justice, whether they will or not remains to be seen.
Shane
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I dont buy papers….I dont watch tv and I dont listen to live radio..
I get to know whats going on on the signboards…!
Crazyness…you could see this happening…I will be traveling to croydon this week…hope Richard Urquhart is okay…his office is in central Croydon.
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yep my thoughts with all affected .some shocking scenes
derek
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I had honestly seen nothing of all of this since I saw the bus on fire (friday?) night and heard enfield had kicked off a bit too.
last night was the first i’d seen of this additional nonsense, watching the news this morning my daughter asked me what was going on any what started it, she was appalled at what she was seeing, scared too – judging by some of her lines of question. when she asked "why don’t the police use guns and just shoot the people who are attacking them?" I genuinely couldn’t see a reason not to, though she did add "maybe just shoot them in the legs as it’s not nice to kill", was hard to fight off a grin at that one!
I think it’s disgraceful in the extreme, society has led to this, the shooting of an attempted murderer has little to do with this. time for the big boys to come sort out the chavs and other groups involved,
anyways,
I think i’ve found the trouble…..
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It really angers me, and hope everyone is safe and sound from the boards.
Rumours of it spreading to Manchester Tomorrow… Somehow I don’t think these people have work or anything to work around, so it might well be tonight. I’ve checked my insurance and I’m covered.
What angers me is the press asking for the Army to get involved. The police will have more rights that the Army. Under the rules of engagement, you cannot fire unless there’s imminent danger to life. We were constantly briefed that. We couldn’t shoot green peace if they walked on the boat and and sprayed Ban the Bomb down the side of it!
The Royal Marines however are trained in Riot Control… and they won’t mess about, stuff their human rights when they’ve got their hands zip-tied behind there backs and a 14stone marine on top of them!
Keep safe people!
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Best quote I’ve heard for a while : Gentleman being interviewed on BBC news 24 said "we spent so much time educating our children about their rights and no time educating our children of their social responsibilities".
I think that it is basically true from my experience.
It seems well organized from what I read. Anarchy is always simmering under the surface in many large cities. These opportunists just need an opportunity I guess.
I don’t understand how these thugs reason that damaging, looting and fire bombing innocent business owners is a justified response to, in this instance, government distrust.
I think these thugs know the law well enough to know that the punishment will fall very short of the crime. Until that is addressed, nothing is likely to change.
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It’s about time we did away with human rights for criminals – you don’t obey the law, so don’t expect it to protect you.
Since the prisons are overcrowded as it is, and we don’t send them to Australia anymore 😀 , I think we should put them on some leaky boats and moor them in the middle of the Atlantic.
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When I was in Navy there was a tale about the Auz Navy intercepting a boat full of illegal immigrants.
Straight to the point, they asked the boat to turn around, it didn’t so up surfaced an Auz Submarine, told it to turn around or it will become target practice. :lol1:
We need to get straight to the point. Join the riots, you will be shot at. (:) (:) (:)
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Oh no….. were not starting on old sea dits now are we 🙄 🙄
Got quite a bit of family living in and around London so keeping an eye on how things are progressing.
As has already been said, hope everyone is safe or as safe as can be.
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I’ve got a workshop in Wembley. Any thugs wanting to learn what you get when the air compressor and nail gun are combined will be welcomed.
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Birch the bastards
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Well Police asked shops in the local area to our workshop to close at 3 o’clock today. Crowds gathering at a local shopping area got home at 6 & all i can hear is sirens. Seems Barking, East Ham is kicking off again.
Makes you wonder where the parents of these kids are i bet they will be quick to claim there kid is an angel if they get hurt.
Kev
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Richard spoke last night and he is concerned as his shop is not far from the big fire…..
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My road leads onto Amhurst Road and at the bottom of Amhurst is Pembury Estate and Hackney Empire close by where rioting was yesterday. Peter and Lynn know the area quite well
3 min away is Shacklewell and the Turkish shopkeepers are said to be united and armed with baseball bats ready to deal with any attempt on their shops. Was driving down there earlier on and there were crowds gathering but not hooded youths just local people and community officers. I guess the police want to quell clashes with local business owners and yobs
Most shops in the area have their shutters down anyway
Sirens have been going on for about three days continuously as I write until 3ish in the morning
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If the police did their job and actually prosecuted criminals over the years, instead of being trained to act like social workers and allowing the higher echelons to massage the crime figures to show ever decreasing levels of crime, there would be no need for vigilante shopkeepers…
Personally, I’m on the side of the vigilante shopkeepers.. but I believe we need a national investigation to get answers as to what has allowed this anarchy to prevail in what was once a safe and civilised country.
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quote Phill Fenton:If the police did their job and actually prosecuted criminals over the years, instead of being trained to act like social workers and allowing the higher echelons to massage the crime figures to show ever decreasing levels of crime, there would be no need for vigilante shopkeepers…
Personally, I’m on the side of the vigilante shopkeepers.. but I believe we need a national investigation to get answers as to what has allowed this anarchy to prevail in what was once a safe and civilised country.
Phill,
I know a fair number of coppers from all over the country, you would not believe just how frustrated they are that their hands are tied. the people we need to thank for not prosecuting are the CPS, they decide if the evidence is strong enough and will often throw out perfectly clear cases for no good reason other than it’s ‘petty’. we have the doo-gooders to thank for prosecuting the police everytime they get caught up in violence and get hurt or shot.as Shane quoted earlier, the problem is that too many people teach their kids their rights but not responsibilities.
over the last couple of generations (a very loud and vocal minority) have brain-washed perfectly good parents into being submissive washouts when it comes to children, making us feel like social outcasts for smacking our children when we feel it’s warranted. well I for one am glad I ignored that and smacked my childrens backsides, I am extremely proud of my well behaved and socially responsible children, they learned moral values early on and now, I rarely have to even remind them.
my children are disgusted by what they’ve seen, scared to a degree too, My oldest son to the point that he asked me for the combination to grandads "police approved" cabinet at the house where he’s looking after the animals for a week, not like him to be fearful at all. My 11yr old girl has been so grown up about it all, she’s a much wiser head on her shoulders than her age would suggest -in some ways anyway… she wants to send in the army and have curfews – i didn;t even think she’d kow what a curfew was!
a curfew isn’t a bad idea. get the message across that anyone out after 10pm will be stopped and arrested, all recourse to the law after that time will be non existent. A family friend is based nr aldershot, while there’s nothing official, they’re already prepared by the sound of it. I wouldn’t think rules of engagement come into it with rioting. just get in and hit em, no normal person will feel sorry for anyone hurt or killed, only the doo gooders and they may as well be removed from society with the scum they’ve allowed to breed and fester.
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I’ve been watching this lot unfold on BBC the past couple of days.
Our police is "useless" because they are poorly trained, motivated, educated and they are corrupt and lazy.
YOUR Police is useless because the powers that be decided cops need to give robbers candyfloss and cookies…
In the "old" South Africa they knew exactly how to deal with this:
1) Police and Army with batons and "sjamboks" (whips)
2) Dont work?? Teargas
3)Dont work? Dogs and rubber bullets
4) Dont work? Real ammo…..
Once they have a few dead to bury, all head that way to be part of that funeral spectacle (complaining to BBC and other international media on the "Apartheid regeme" treating them "badly")
European governments need to toughen up their act. You dont deal with uncivilised people in a civilised fashion. Speak the language they understand…
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Emotional reactions to all that’s happened are understandable. But, the reality is quite different.
I don’t condone the violence in any way whatsoever however, I can understand some of the causes. Any politician that didn’t foresee or anticipate civil unrest in the UK should be sacked.
The rich & greedy, the bankers & financial institutions, the politicians fiddling expenses, the tax evaders They’ve all sucked so much out of society and arguably cause more destruction and human tragedy than any of these rioters. The main difference is – they wear suits. Much of the destruction & tragedy they caused was illegal & lawless, but they’re beyond the law – out of reach.
Due to the financial cutbacks caused by the suite wearing greedy men & women, those with absolutely no hope are dealt some of the biggest blows:-
youth schemes abandoned
social centres closed
support schemes wound up
police budgets slashed
social services slashedI consider myself one of the lucky ones! Firstly, my parents taught me right from wrong. They ensured I went to school. We had a very loving and caring family. Our neighbours were the same and our environment was safe & happy.
What would I be, if I had none of the above, if I had no parental direction, no education, no money, lived in housing that’s unfit for habitation and no hope? And with all this, I see politicians fiddling their expenses and many getting ‘let off’ because they pay it back. I see hideous bonuses being paid to the very people who suck the funding from the their support schemes.
I can only imagine how it must feel to have absolutely no hope & no future and you know what, I would quite possibly be one of those kids on the streets – except @ 58 I wouldn’t qualify.
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There was an attempted break in on our premises last night.
Whilst we don’t think it was rioters but more the local scrotes thinking the police were daft and would all be in the city centre.
They got through our outer shutter at the rear, which triggered the silent alarm, and alerted key holders (no me though????)
The police happened to be turning around in the car park at rear and believe they missed them by about 5 minutes.
I think they were planning on getting the newsagents attached, and their cash machine. The Fog Bandit tends to put and end to that, but by the time that’s gone off, the old bill are informed, and they’ve got the doors off. (hot)
No here’s to waiting to see if the landlord gets it fixed or I will be getting a sawn off and sleeping here tonight.
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@ John Cooper
Sorry mate, but I dont buy your explanation. A lack of youth centres etc does not turn one into a marauding hooligan !
youth schemes abandoned – we dont have youth schemes
social centres closed – we dont have social centres
support schemes wound up – nope, no support schemes
police budgets slashed – very very limited budgets here
social services slashed – got none of thoseIn Namibia an Old Age pension of less than GBP 40 PER MONTH is paid. Nothing for the unemployed. A very large percentage of the population live with less than GBP2 per day.
Yet, we dont have large scale riots and looting. Only the occasional stone throwing at political rallies during elections, but very swiftly dealt with by a police force that will bash your scull if you do not disperse.
Dont blame the "suits" – blame the hooligans. It is exactly because people always look to blame a mysterious "something else" that the problem never gets solved. You say it, so THEY say it as well.
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wheres the taser in all of this?
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I tend to agree Gert.
Everyone is always wanting to find the deep seated cause.
We had a debate here recently, after a spate of robberies, mainly conveniance stores and service stations.
The bleeding hearts would have us believe that these drug addled idiots were forced to steal because they had no money, because of high unemployment, high rentals costs… whatever.
Sorry, but I’ve starred bankruptcy in the face twice in my life. Once when we were days from losing our house by repossession after borrowing money from overseas, then our dollar plummeted in value. Our dollar went from US90 to US48 cents overnight.
The other was when a business partner took us for thousands of dollars.
Not once did it occur to me to rob someone. We borrowed from family, we worked our butts off to make good our debts. We did without – no blackberry phones, no modern clothes.
These clown are just rebels looking to make trouble. Sorry, I have no sympathy for them at all. To destroy other peoples livelihoods, innocent law abiding people no less – to loot, pillage and burn ‘because they can’ is just mindless terrorism. And, they should be treated as such.
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where’s my f*ing shutter engineer and landlord to fix the bloody thing! (hot) (hot) (hot)
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Says it all :lol1:
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Tasers, billy clubs, canine units, tear gas, pepper spray, round the little b@stards up and put them in juvenile detention centers and make them work on a chain gang to fix everything they destroyed, and then if they don’t cooperate put them in the big house with hardened criminals until they come out with size 9 @ssholes.
I have no pity for these scumbags and their parents need to be beaten about the head and shoulders as well.
Perhaps if these kids would have been paddled when they were bad and heard the occasional "NO" this would not have happened.
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It makes me feel so proud to be a Manc.
(hot) (:) (:) (chat.) (chat.) (chat.) (hot)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9560000/9560646.stm
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Jill – you’re just a "wishy washy liberal" – you need to toughen up a bit 😕
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quote Phill Fenton:Jill – you’re just a “wishy washy liberal” – you need to toughen up a bit 😕
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welll said Jill… :appl:
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Bring back the belt and keep the wee bastards in line from day one…..
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quote Gert du Preez:@ John Cooper
In Namibia an Old Age pension of less than GBP 40 PER MONTH is paid. Nothing for the unemployed. A very large percentage of the population live with less than GBP2 per day.
Yet, we dont have large scale riots and looting. Only the occasional stone throwing at political rallies during elections, but very swiftly dealt with by a police force that will bash your scull if you do not disperse.
Is that why the crime rate in Namibia is high for murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and burglary?
Just Google crime stats for Namibia – I think I prefer the UK.
And what is the distinction between the ‘men in suits’ who illegally & recklessly screw up society and the youth who chucks a rock and steals a television?
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quote Robert Lambie:quote Phill Fenton:Jill – you’re just a “wishy washy liberal” – you need to toughen up a bit 😕
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welll said Jill… :appl:
thirded!
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Apparently, Colonel Gadaffi is threatening to send us his troops to protect the "demonstrators" against the police oppressors 😕
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quote John Cooper:quote Gert du Preez:@ John Cooper
In Namibia an Old Age pension of less than GBP 40 PER MONTH is paid. Nothing for the unemployed. A very large percentage of the population live with less than GBP2 per day.
Yet, we dont have large scale riots and looting. Only the occasional stone throwing at political rallies during elections, but very swiftly dealt with by a police force that will bash your scull if you do not disperse.
Is that why the crime rate in Namibia is high for murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and burglary?
Just Google crime stats for Namibia – I think I prefer the UK.
And what is the distinction between the ‘men in suits’ who illegally & recklessly screw up society and the youth who chucks a rock and steals a television?
LOL, you’re right – our crime rate is sky high compared to yours. Crime here is part of a culture of "entitlement" that certain groups have… But I guess we are a bit nonchalant about it. I mean, I was born in a country at war, where a 6 year old kid started his day in school by searching the classroom for a bomb. Every time you entered a shop or bank, you were frisked at the door, or searched with a metal detector. We accepted it as part of life, like we accept the other petty / violent crime as part of life. Just think of the public outcry there would be in the UK if everybody was physically searched every time you entered a store….
The point I tried to make though is not about crime rates – it was about RIOTS.
This riot in London and surrounds is not about poverty or greed. It is about DISCIPLINE and RESPECT, or the lack there-of. If these guys were met by some burly blokes with batons and rubber bullets, this would have died off the first night. Unfortunately, your government (and other "first world" governments) have become so obsessed with the "rights" of individuals that they lost vision of the "greater good"
You are also right to a degree about the "suits" having their fair share of plunder, but their actions cannot be said to directly motivate a 14 year old immigrant kid to burn a car and steal a TV….thats like saying your car breaks down a lot because it is painted red. Totally unrelated.
PS. About 18 years ago I actually did visit your shores, planning to work there. I was disgusted by the way all people are treated as children. They even confiscated a little pocket knife I had with me at the airport!! I then worked in Wales for a few weeks (town called Porthcall) before I had enough.
I came home asap! For all the shortcomings in my country, at least my government here respects the right of the individual to protect himself and his kin and property. I sleep with a gun next to my bed, which I am allowed to legally own. With that I can protect myself and my family, without too much fear of prosecution. -
DISCIPLINE and RESPECT is what’s missing here and I believe it’s as important to treat the cause as well as the effects.
I don’t know what the answer is, my first post in this thread was ‘birch the b*stards’ because that would make me feel better. Some would say they deserve a damn good beating – maybe. And then you have the next generation coming through, probably worse than the last because successive governments have reduced the ability of others to discipline. Even parents have to be so careful – smack the child and they could end up in court!
When I was a kid, I had the cane in school, if I’d told my dad, I’d probably get another whack! I used to nick apples and when the copper caught me, he’d give my ear a twist that brought tears to my eyes. Would a copper dare to do that these days?
Many of these rioting kids have no families or abusive parents. Their brothers & sisters live a life of crime. They take drugs because it’s cool and they get pulled into gangs by older preying thugs. It’s a whirlpool of violence, drugs, lawlessness & hopelessness.
In the UK, we have no way to deal with the causes, symptoms or results and now we see the consequences of generations existing in the whirlpool I described. Youth schemes & projects, youth clubs and meeting places at least helped some, it was a start. The greed of the men in suits took this away because taxpayers monies have been diverted to prop up all their fraud, deceipt and theft.
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I almost said "Discipline is free", but then I realised in your case it is actually VERY expensive……
Like you said, if a cop would twist the ear of a kid spray painting profanities on a church wall, he will loose his job, be ridiculed in public, and have to pay compensation to the "victim". And the general community can use it as an excuse to picket the police office, shout abuse at the police (supposed to be an authoritative figure) and go afterwards to loot and plunder the shops of other (mostly relatively poor) members of their community, full well knowing blame will be shifted to the police brutality (!!) or "lack of delivery" by this or that government……
Sad, but true. Focus needs to be placed on proper discipline again – in the house, in school, and in broader society. Authority should be just that: AUTHORITY. Be it parents at home, teachers in school, or cops on the street.
I’m not saying we should completely disregard personal liberty and rights, but a bit of fear for authority can go a long way to keeping you on the straight…
In school I did not back chat, I studied, did my homework etc., not because I am some kind of holyman, but because my butt cheeks glowed ruby red with a few tears of blood if I did things my way, rather than their (the authoritative figure’s) way.
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just got sent this link, a little something to smile about…
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David Cameron "I am granting the Police powers to use water cannons/rubber bullets & tear gas to take back control of our streets from the parasites biting the hand that feeds them. In addition I am deploying the British Army to provide the authority that is so very lacking. Once order has been restored all who rioted / looted will be shipped off to Afganistan (& any other place as voted for by the public) & our troops bought home."…..
Carlsberg don’t do Prime Ministers but if they did..!
Well we can only hope!!
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Looting is spreading…
Caught on camera so will be arrested soon$this->auto_embed_video(‘http://www.youtube.com/v/Kqy9hxhUxK0?version=3&hl=en_US’, ‘560’, ‘340’)
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quote Hugh Potter:just got sent this link, a little something to smile about…
good one Hugh!!
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may as well get my bit in !!
These rioters should all be brought to justice, never mind giving them community service and a small £100 fine, what is this country all about.
a couple of lads were arrested here in Glasgow, for posting to have a riot in Glasgow, silly (ooops) swear word,,, and probably just so they could get a free telly from comet, lock these two idiots up for 20 plus just for thinking about it !!.
As for the politicians, most of them have still to grow up, they only read about riots in a comic book, take the miners strikes Mrs Thatchers day, she had lived and knew how to deal with the riots then,,,,,yes we have had other riots since then in the UK and they were dealt with swiftly, Cammeron and his gang of little men should get a backbone and deal with this, Use tear Gas and other means, then the legal system is well gubbed here, judges and the PF’s office will be thinking " what about our budget jail him and it will cost £1500 a week to keep him" so what do they do, fine them 50 quid and slapp a tag on the heel and tell them that they cant go out to play with the mates after 7 oclock, we have all seen it on telly, they wipp the tag off and sit it on the fridge, and do what they want,,, sorry folks I need to stop……….this aint doing any part of the country any good, hope all you members down South are okay and have not fallen prey to these @ssholes -
it’s getting worse – Cameron has completely lost control of the situation 😕
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This has made me laugh today
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I finished work real late tonight, went into tesco around 11pm to grab a quick bit of lunch, on the way in there were a fair number of kids and twice as many coppers, mostly psco’s, apparently the police had intercepted messages and had tip offs that kids were gonna loot tesco at 11pm… once the psco said that she knew where most of them lives, and that they’re already now on cctv and hoodieless, they all wondered off home! though we did see a police car speeding off in the direction of one lot but no alarms etc were sounding.
numpties, the lot of em.
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