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Licence plate query – legal?
I’ve been asked by one of my customers if it’s legal to print his registration onto vinyl and put it onto his bumper rather than using acrylic plates……. his reason is he doesn’t want to cut into his bumper and its flat at the moment 😮
He seems persistent but I’m just wondering if it’s legal before I give it to him, I’m sure he’d still use it either way but just want to know for myself
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depends on the year of the vehicle 1972 i think is the turning point after that i would have said it was illegal before a gray area
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quote Chris Wool:depends on the year of the vehicle 1972 i think is the turning point after that i would have said it was illegal before a gray area
chrisCheers for the reply Chris, His car is a 2000 model
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Licence plates need to carry the BS mark and be the correct standard. I wouldn’t think this is legal. Personally I would give DVLA a call to find out.
Alternatively just sell him the black cut out letters and reflective separately then it’s up to him to take the risk.
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quote KARL WILLIAMS:Licence plates need to carry the BS mark and be the correct standard. I wouldn’t think this is legal. Personally I would give DVLA a call to find out.
Alternatively just sell him the black cut out letters and reflective separately then it’s up to him to take the risk.
Oh, and put your tongue back in, you’re turning me on!Good point Karl,
I’ll try and get some reflective vinyl and print onto that, leave it upto him if he wants to use it after that. Think he really only needs it for shows
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You’re Safer supplying the vinyl lettering as a separate and tell him to put it together. The chances are no one will say anything, but it’s best to be on the safe side!
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quote :You’re Safer supplying the vinyl lettering as a separate and tell him to put it together
sorry karl that is deemed to be a reg plate.
dodgy ain’t it.
Chris
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quote Chris Wool:quote :You’re Safer supplying the vinyl lettering as a separate and tell him to put it togethersorry karl that is deemed to be a reg plate.
dodgy ain’t it.
Chris
Not if you get them to sign a bit of paper stating it will be used as a ‘show plate’…also, AFAIK the reg plate clampdown (ie. getting signatures, V5, putting your name at the bottom) doesn’t affect Scotland…yet.
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quote :doesn’t affect Scotland…yet.
forgot that bit
chris
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A closely related problem area for us is trade plates.
These are supposed to be displayed front and rear, but the rears are a pain to keep taking on and off so, what happens in practice, is that the drivers just throw both on the dashboard and drive off into the sunset.
What I did was to make a magnetic rear. Highly illegal, but better than displaying no number at all.
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Supply what he wants and put your competitors name on it 😀
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You evil man! 👿
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mio 🙄
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Stick on reflective plates are not legal, unfortunately.
Have a look on DVLA’s website – It’s on there about self adhesive plates not being legal.
Cheers
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quote Chris Wool:quote :doesn’t affect Scotland…yet.forgot that bit
chris
There are two issues here, (1)what is a legal plate, and (2) who can supply them.
the legal plate is even in Scotland an mot requirement.
who can supply them is the other issue.Peter
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quote David Rogers:quote Chris Wool:quote :You’re Safer supplying the vinyl lettering as a separate and tell him to put it together
sorry karl that is deemed to be a reg plate.
dodgy ain’t it.
Chris
Not if you get them to sign a bit of paper stating it will be used as a ‘show plate’…also, AFAIK the reg plate clampdown (ie. getting signatures, V5, putting your name at the bottom) doesn’t affect Scotland…yet.
Also disclaimers have no say in law, its like tesco putting a notice on there food, saying if it poisons you its not their fault…..
Just a comment, I could be wrong. I am only human 😀
Peter
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quote Peter Normington:quote David Rogers:quote Chris Wool:quote :You’re Safer supplying the vinyl lettering as a separate and tell him to put it together
sorry karl that is deemed to be a reg plate.
dodgy ain’t it.
Chris
Not if you get them to sign a bit of paper stating it will be used as a ‘show plate’…also, AFAIK the reg plate clampdown (ie. getting signatures, V5, putting your name at the bottom) doesn’t affect Scotland…yet.
Also disclaimers have no say in law, its like tesco putting a notice on there food, saying if it poisons you its not their fault…..
Just a comment, I could be wrong. I am only human 😀
Peter
I know what you’re saying Peter – a legitimate plate that conforms to BS is an MOT requirement anywhere in the UK. However the SALE of something that can be used as a numberplate is NOT regulated in Scotland. There is NO legal requirement for a disclaimer either…but it re-enforces to the punter that you take NO responsibility if he gets nicked using it for anything other than ‘show’ purposes ‘believing’ you sold him a legitimate plate.
It’s like Tesco selling kids costumes that have a disclaimer "does not enable wearer to fly"…if your kid jumps off the roof shouting "to infinity & beyond!" their a$$ is covered as was not sold for that purpose.
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DAVE
"does not enable wearer to fly"
that’s a statement not a disclaimer 😉
Now if you put on the invoice, "this is an illegal number plate, and I made it" that would also be a statement,
anyway its all a bit pedantic for a 2bob number plate, If I were John, I would just say " sorry mate, dont do plates, halfords do them cheaper, cant compete to make a one off,"
Sorry John, no offence ( hope newly wed bliss is still with you)Peter
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quote Peter Normington:If I were John, I would just say ” sorry mate, dont do plates, halfords do them cheaper, cant compete to make a one off,”
Sorry John, no offence ( hope newly wed bliss is still with you)Peter
Just what I was thinking – either make the damn thing or move onto the next job. Time is money John, don’t let your customers create problems for you. 😀
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quote Phill:quote Peter Normington:If I were John, I would just say ” sorry mate, dont do plates, halfords do them cheaper, cant compete to make a one off,”
Sorry John, no offence ( hope newly wed bliss is still with you)Peter
Just what I was thinking – either make the damn thing or move onto the next job. Time is money John, don’t let your customers create problems for you. 😀
Yeah I’m with both of you here, I have made him the same plates in acrylic the other week there but he does bring alot of business my way and he does alot of graphic design stuff for me so I’m stuck between a rock and a hard place
Wedding bliss 😮 someone forget to tell me about that?? :lol1: :lol1:
I’m only blissful that the shotgun’s have been put away (:) I didn’t want to sleep with the fishes :lol1: :lol1:Also thanx for the replies everyone
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Having read the whole post I am a bit confused by all of this now. Easily done I can hear some of you saying !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When the legislation was first introduced I registered with DVLA as a number plate supplier as I thought I had to. It wasn’t until a few months latter that I found out that the law only applied to England and Wales.
Last year I received a letter from DVLA stating that the legislation had been changed and now included Scotland and Northern Ireland.Having read Dave’s comments about Scotland not being covered I did a bit of checking and can’t find anything that says the law has been extended to cover Scotland, best I could find was a consultation paper saying it should be. I am now trying to find the letter I received as I can’t understand why they would tell me it was now law in Scotland if it isn’t.
As for MOT’s although they don’t have to check plates conform to BS standards they are suppose to now check for font height and spacing as well as physical damage and fading.
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Back to the original query – self adhesive ‘plates’
Found out they were made illegal in 2001 throughout the UK as a valid registration mark.
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just a quick reply here
basically if u supply him a reflective strip this is a reflective strip if u supply him vinyl lettering wether the whole alphabet or his actual reg in seperate lettering this is still just vinyl lettering and could easilly be used for things like door name or wheelie bin number so the fact is karl is rite sell seperate as seperat things if he combines them on a car thats nowt to do with u
its like chemical ingredients in a chemist there all legal to buy over counter but combined by some1 it makes somet illegal but the chemist selling the stuff aint to blame
just my opinion
how ever if u print on the reg to the reflective then yes this would be a illegal plate made by u
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I am not conversant with all the current law regarding number plates, but I do know that the legislation is full of holes. it was brought in without thought, on the back of congestion charging, when ken livingstone suddenly realized that car owners could just by a plate, and blue tack it over their real one to avoid the tax.
It was a half hearted attempt to stop car owners avoiding the congestion charging.
All the law does in that respect, instead of having a plate made. the people who want to save £40, yes £40 quid a week, to go into C London, just unscrew them from other cars!, the real owner still gets the fine though, and its hard to prove you are Innocent..Peter
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On the plate making software we have, if you don’t put on the bottom of the plate your company name and postcode it doesn’t come up saying illegal plate. DVLA state this is illegal. I wouldn’t stress myself over this one. Like I said before, supply as separate vinyls and then you can put on the invoice Various vinyls. Just make sure the numbers aren’t in the license plate font. That way you can’t be responsible for your customers actions.
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Peter it is funny you should mention the wrong people getting the fine and how difficult it is to prove you are innocent. I got a fine for driving a vehicle without road tax somewhere in the Birmingham area just before Christmas, it was for a transit van I had sold 18 months previously. I knew the guy that bought it and he used it just to store tools in but it had never been on the road. We had to get the local police involved to prove that it could not possibly have been on the road never mind make it all the way down to Birmingham. DVLA weren’t really that interested in who owned or was driving the van, they just wanted the money from who ever they could get to pay.
Sorry to have gone off thread a bit but I think John’s question has now been answered.
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