letters Pealing

[Chris Wool]

yes i does make sense just had this myself.
half way through a order i started a new roll of white from the same supplier, and had a lot of trouble peeling the clear away with out picking up some letters. tried hotter colder longer harder.
but i found that if i peeled from the other direction all ok. then repressed it for good measure at standard time etc.
the supplier said i was doing something wrong.
but i had done 5 shirts with the old roll and all was fine, until i started on my new roll.
they might struggle to get my next order.

chris

[George Elsmore]

I have had the same sort of problem lately same material same heat and pressure but new roll failing, its happening more and more!…Why????

[Chris Wool]

my stuff is target premium whats yours

chris

[George Elsmore]

HEXIS 😕

[Nigel Pugh]

Phew 😉

[George Elsmore]

oh and grafitype stuff as well :lol1:

just kiddin :lol1:

send me an account form please Hugh i think you have my email address

[Chris Wool]

its also harder to weed as if the glue on the clear is stronger.
anybody else.

chris

[Nigel Pugh]

quote George Elsmore:

oh and grafitype stuff as well :lol1:

just kiddin :lol1:

send me an account form please Hugh i think you have my email address

Different company that George, I work for Graiftyp (no E) 😛

[George Elsmore]

are you a pedant by any chance Hew :lol1:

[Steve Underhill]

There are some silver/golds that cant be overlaid,did you overlay the white onto the silver?
Also I have used xpres now exclusively for 2 years for my transfer materials and have not had one single shirt back ever.
Says it all dont you think.

[Peter Mindham]

quote Steve Underhill:

There are some silver/golds that cant be overlaid,did you overlay the white onto the silver?
Also I have used xpress now exclusively for 2 years for my transfer materials and have not had one single shirt back ever.
Says it all dont you think.

Yup xpress seems to work for me also but to be fair have not tried Grafytidodahs yet

Peter

[David_Evans]

Been using xpres’ for a few years now without any problems, but have been trying the stuff from victory design as the price is a little better and its a little thinner, it seems spot on but will keep trialing for another month or so.

Dave

[Steve Underhill]

Price is better than Xpres?
How much do you pay for normal flex?

[David_Evans]

20m + 4.75 They dont seem to want to haggle

Dave

[Steve Underhill]

£4.75 I pay per metre for any length, 1 metre or 100 metres.
Thats ultra cut, flexi cut, promo flock (premium is £6) glitter, in fact any T shirt vinyl is £4.75 per metre, and I have target transfers down to that also.
Xpres 1
Victory 0

[David_Evans]

£4.75 for 20+ is from xpres ,victory are matching it for 1+ but i reckon if i start buying solely from them it might go lower. i hope. and its does feel a little better.

[Steve Underhill]

Its taken me ages to get xpres down to roll price per metre.
I pay £4.75 no matter what, if its 1 metre I pay £4.75 if I get 10 metres its the same.
It is the cheapest I found yet and the stuff is top notch so I have no reason to even shop about.
I doubt they can go any lower than £4.75 as I dont think they buy it in at much less, the rep was telling me the market margins and they are ridiculous.

[Alan Drury]

Not a bad price for the Victory product, I’ve used their Easymark cotton and now use the Easymark Opaque both excellent products.
Alan D

[graffica]

Have just picked up 6 cotton mix aprons from a client who was complaining of letters coming off. These were done a year ago and have been washed about 50 times. All was done in white vinyl from the same roll. Trouble is, on each one, different parts of the logos/lettering have peeled, some only partially … no consistency whatsoever. Where it has come off, it´s left a mark, presumably the adhesive. Client assures me the aprons have never been washed at more than 40 degrees, and were OK up to about 2 months ago when odd bits started to come off. I´ve never had this sort of problem before, so it´s a complete mystery to me.
I can´t tell you the make of vinyl as I buy it here in Spain and have used the same supplier for years.
Anybody got any answers?

Chris

[Michael Potter]

sorry guys but somewhere in all this my question got lost.
Can we try again.
No we didn’t overlay the white they were side by by side.
Thanks Mike
Not sure we can get the vinyl you are talking about here in Aussie
Cheers Mike 😀

[Steve Underhill]

I would try a little hotter, and if its cold peel try peeling it whilst still warm, not hot but warm enough to make the release a little easier.
theres less adhesion at this point to the backing than when it is cold.
more pressure and a bit more heat I would try, no more than 160 degrees though.

[Michael Potter]

Steve
Thank you,Thank You. :thanks2:
Wife and I will try that today thanks so much at the least we know have a starting point.
cheers Mike 😀

[Dave Armstrong]

quote Chris Wool:

its also harder to weed as if the glue on the clear is stronger.
anybody else.

chris

I had the same problems with this material, gone back to using dorotape’s stuff

[Steve Underhill]

I would also try rolling the backing from the flex, just like you do app tape from a vinyl graphic, it puts less pressure on the flex and saves any crinkling etc, if using glitter flex then this is the way I always do it as even pressed at 170 degrees that stuff is horrible to peel.

[Chris Wool]

thank you steve for your comments, which are very helpful, but dont you agree that we should not have to prat about, trying this and that, it should work as advertised. the previous roll did, cant get them to understand its changed on the new roll.
mikes problem sounds just as my new problem but i have had the benefit of knowing what it should behave like. my other colours are fine

i will have another go at the suppliers tomorrow else hello nigel

chris

[Steve Underhill]

Well I just tried to weed some day glo pink stuff which was about as thick as flock, couldn’t weed it so had to cut it at 170 grams of force, recommended was 130, same with the glitter stuff temp is meant to be 160 and 170 to 180 is what it releases at, I think they have a test press/cutter they use at the point of manufacture and that’s what they go with, after all machines will all vary slightly in spec etc and whats good for one isn’t good for another, so I guess its trial and error.
As for the same type of vinyl changing properties from roll to roll, I haven’t had that but I would imagine even a few microns change in thickness would make a difference to dwell time etc, so just have to persevere with it, at the end of the day if its not coming off try it harder, if its still not try it hotter or peeling while warm, not cold and not hot just warm.
This approach seems to work for me without fail, I never get any peeling or rejects.
As mentioned at present I solely use xpres materials, but have used Target & Dorotape without problems also

[David_Evans]

Couldn’t agree more Chris, i just don’t understand why there can be such difference in the vinyls and that the supplier always think your doing it wrong, all i can think is that it might have something to with the age of the vinyl. just a thought.

Dave

[Chris Wool]

spoke with suppliers just now, and it appears they have had other moans so they are swapping the white out.

we will see

chris

[Ian Stewart-Koster]

Michael, I find an aussie business- adzon.biz I think they’re called- very good. Nice stuff to cut, good instructions They’re near the Gold Coast, from memory.

Oh, I’m no expert, but if it peels up, I use the recommended heat, for longer & squash a bit harder. So far that’s held up well- but you don’t want to mash it into the fabric too much either, or the fabric comes through, depending on the stuff you’re using.

[Michael Potter]

Thanks Ian
Believe it or not I stumbled across their web sight yesterday We found that 1 of our problems was the press was reading about 20 degrees to high amazing what a difference that has made.
Ps how did your letterheads meet at the wool shed go.we were hoping to come but the proverbial hit the fan making it impossible.
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
Cheers Mike

[Ian Stewart-Koster]

Hi Mike,

how did you know it was reading wrongly?
(or, rather, what did you use to measure the actual temp?)

Letterheads-Oz 2007 went really well- we had 1 attendee from USA, four from NZ, and 45 aussies- it was the best attended meet since 2002. Sponsors were really helpful, everyone had a great time. Projects were very well done too: 1 big shed gable was lettered, heaps of panels were glass-chipped with glue, and the usual airbrushing, striping & what-have-you plus carving workshops using the new multipanel signfoam.

Here are the pictures: http://www.traditionalsigns.com/assets/images/LetterheadsOz-files/Meet-pix/index.htm

[Michael Potter]

Hi Ian
We bought a laser temp gun. just point and read Avery have released them in their new toolkit.
They seem to work really well.
Cheers Mike
liked your article in visual impact.

[Ian Stewart-Koster]

Thanks!