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  • Laminating cast coloured vinyl, advice please?

    Posted by Chris Wilson on January 27, 2019 at 10:04 am

    Am sure this we’ll be fine but just wanted to double check.

    Customer is going for a gold/bronze finish on there signage. They are now leaning towards the avery 800 bronze but want a matt finish. As it’s not in the colour wheel am guessing it doesn’t exist. I would be fine to laminate a roll in polymeric matt though? All going on flat panels. Quite chunky letters also.

    Never done it before just wanted to check there’s not going to be some random reaction a year down the line and two will be flaking off.

    Robert Lambie replied 5 years, 3 months ago 3 Members · 5 Replies
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  • David Hammond

    Member
    January 27, 2019 at 11:04 am

    You should really match the laminate.

    Cast with cast, poly with poly, mono with mono.

    Or you’ll find that the laminate shrinks faster than the vinyl, creating a bit of a mess. It may take years to happen.

    You should be ok laminating it with a higher quality, e.g. Mono with Poly, Poly with Cast.

  • Chris Wilson

    Member
    January 27, 2019 at 11:57 am

    Hi David,

    Shouldn’t get to much shrink on the poly and we have some, but I suppose if we’re going to do something might as well as just order a cast matt. Sure I can use it up with something else in future anyway.

  • David Hammond

    Member
    January 27, 2019 at 12:02 pm

    Why does it need to be cast?

    There may be a Matt polymeric available? Hexis have a wide choice of colours, as do metamark.

  • Chris Wilson

    Member
    January 27, 2019 at 12:15 pm

    Through an advertising agency and the colour they have chosen is the bronze from Avery 800 series, but Matt not gloss (rolls eyes)

    Everything is quite strict colour wise as customer is getting a full rebrand, not just the signs. So this matches up.

    I can say no and produced a plan B, but just wanted to check if it was possible as colour vinyl and digital vinyl do have different make up, didn’t want the laminate not to bond correctly and 3 years later have various signs with a wee failures here and there.

    I’ll check the other swatches but as it’s quite a unique colour I thought I would try this route first and save a bit of time calling round and faffing about.

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    January 27, 2019 at 10:47 pm

    As said, you can laminate with an equivalent or higher quality laminate and you will not get any adverse effects.
    However, if you laminate… let’s say a monomeric with a cast. which is one extreme to the other, so to speak. The monomeric will shrink/warp beneath the cast and look bad. This, of course, is the monomeric base film that’s just doing what it does over time, but at the same time takes the cast with it on its journey of deterioration! :smiles:

    different applications will push the performance of the films to the max. curved or 3D surfaces such as wrapping vehicle panels, the monomeric wouldn’t stand a chance, as would many polymerics, only cast and that’s if it is fitted correctly.

    cost-effective wise, it’s always best to laminate with equivalent grade films. better still, same brands… because different brands have different properties in the way the film is made, some better than others!

    That said, this is a flat panel and a good polymeric on a flat surface should be perfectly fine. so, the cast base film could be termed as over-kill, but the polymeric laminate should be just fine on top.

    I am "guessing" you are using the cast base film because the colour/finish range is much better with cast films?

    If you do go for a cast matt laminate, remember that you might have to buy it in full or part rolls, rather than increments of 1, 5 or 10 metres.

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