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L.E.D. Supplier Needed please?
Does anyone know of a supplier for leds. i have tried applec, ashby, fibre optics and blue signs but to be honest i am trying to cut out the middle man and go straight to the source as we do a lot of raised letter jobs and price of these leds scares customers off right away.
james
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27 Replies
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Picked these up at recent expo
FibreLED
Rathmines
http://www.fibreled.comand
Fibreoptic Signs + Optics
Clondalkin
http://www.firreopticlighting.biz
Hope these help
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Pat, the last link doesn’t seem to work! or is it me?
L J
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i am guessing you have checked the NEW leds from ashby? the old ones, although reasonable in price where a fair bit highr priced than their new range. i havent used their new ones but saw them at signuk and was pretty impressed.
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this might be a long shot but always worth a go. I know of a guy through a motorbike forum that makes LED gear for bikes, replacement bulbs, revlimiters, gear shift indicators etc.
I’ve not had any dealings personally but I know those that have recommend his work very highly. I’m sure if you gave him the brief he’d be able to do what you ask… after all I doubt he makes a living from bike stuff alone.
try http://www.ledgear.co.uk/ contact him and say you were put on to him by eddypeck of fzr1000.co.uk
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Hi John,
I suppose it would work better if I spelt it correctly
http://www.fibreopticlighting.biz
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Same old question I suppose, Why Led? Why not Neon? any reason?
Regards
Chris -
quote Chris Timmermans – Neon:Same old question I suppose, Why Led? Why not Neon? any reason?
Regards
ChrisI suppose that neon is percieved as hard to source, expensive to buy and run. But if you want to really make a bright light, led’s I would say work out far more expensive on larger signs.
Want to see more? https://www.uksignboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=21287
Peter
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Hi There
Chris is right.
When the fad of LEDS is over….. neon will be back in fashion. Look at things even now..UK glass shops rushed of their feet. Is this the start !
Anyway check out neon over LEDs next time.
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Both have their place in signage, just depends on the effect you are trying to create. and of course your budget. Try getting Neon to do multiple colours on the same letter…..
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Time to answer I think!
As it happens you can colour change Neon in the same letter, if you want that kind of result, RGB (Red, Green & Blue) on a moderately priced colour mix unit not cheap but then again neither are RGB Led’s, as I’ve said in the past Led’s are the "In thing of the moment" there is a place for Led in small illuminated letters and places where it’s not feasible to put Neon, but illumination by Neon is far superior to Led try costing your Led job for 1800mm high lettering compared to Neon I think you will find that Neon comes out the winner on most counts. I suppose your next argument will be about Maintenance it’s not always true what you read about Led’s they also deteriorate over time just as Neon does.
Time will tell!!!!!!!Regards
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he he… as I said Effect and budget…. what I actually ment was try getting neon to do multiple colours AT THE SAME TIME… he he..
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OK you mean one tube, which goes through multiple colours, I’ve seen it with two colours in one tube, blue & pink, silly argument Led has it’s good points, Neon has it’s own too.
Regards
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How about 16.5 million, or 57 billion… not all Leds are the same… Nothing silly about it, its just a knowledge gap.
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Steve, please be aware that advertising your own goods and services on the boards is strictly a no-no. And at least before trying to do so, it may be nice to introduce yourself.
Peter
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Probably one of the worst mistakes you can make, advertising something 2 years old…… Generally speaking, this is a classic scenario for most companies, get the website up and then do nothing with it, dont tell people what you and your company have deen doing or developing. Add to then then not reading the rules of the forum.. Doesn’t show you up in a good light. So to speak.
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Well John
Looks like you prefer Led’s then!!!!
Do you know anything about Cold Cathode/Neon? Just wondered whether you had ever worked with it and understand the fundamentals of what is achievable with it.
I must admit nothing has ever come as close to Neon replacement than Led, but still in the early days yet, still having problems with water ingression, dry joints, seem to be improving though.
Regards
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quote John Lyons:Probably one of the worst mistakes you can make, advertising something 2 years old…… Generally speaking, this is a classic scenario for most companies, get the website up and then do nothing with it, dont tell people what you and your company have deen doing or developing. Add to then then not reading the rules of the forum.. Doesn’t show you up in a good light. So to speak.
John mate, you also need to read board rules, show your real self in your avitar, best way on uksb to get respect 😉
pETER
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Sorry guys…. it would be too distressing for me to post a pic of myself…. And apologies for the brain laps…. Just read the rules properly this time….
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Tee hee, same old John 😀
Dave
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Thanks for the comments Chris,
You are correct to a degree, I don’t prefer LEDs, they are just a components in the systems we design, their flexibility and colour rendition are second to none, the technical expertise required to successfully implement them is however quite high…Never had a single problem with dry joints, This is simply down to the design of the package and the method used to manufacture and test the LED, of course things go wrong with the manufacturing process, I could tell you some funny and no so funny stories.
IP ratings most of our kit is either – IP66 for LEDS, IP67 for cable connectors and IP67 for PSU,s. Again, this is down to design, you simply have to test it, then test it again, until you are sure that the fixture is not only 100% watertight, but should someone put the fixture down to 10m that is will still work. Building in a healthy margin of error should always be in there, customers will always do the unexpected.
But as I said in my earlier posts, there are LEDs and then there are LEDS, and unfortunately Good LEDS are expensive, its as simple as that. If you use something from China you have to understand you are going to have problems…. It might be cheap, but you know when its says its IP 60 anything… its not.
Architects, designers etc… have had bad experiences with LEDs because their expectation have been not been matched by the end result. Because each of the components in the LED lighting System, whether it be in a sign, in-ground applications "concrete is the worst place to put an LED, or integrating LEDS in the a glass curtain wall have to be equally matched by the company implementing the solution, the people, the processes and the products are critical, buying the solution because its cheap, will never get you what you really want.
Ahhh, could talk all day on the subject but…..
John
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I have used this guy for a while and made the LED kits up myself, if you buy in quantity there is a bit of a discount.
Ian
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Hi There
I tend to think that LEDs and Neon have their place. After being in the neon trade for the last 20 years there are always new ways of lighting…some last…. some dont. If you need a good bright sign then Neon is the answer and for smaller stuff maybe LEDs.
I have read on other neon forums this same old arguement over and over again. Neon has been around for over 100 years now and is still going very strong. I have trouble having neon made now as all the neon shops are busy !!.
Neon and LEDs are totally different…the only common factor is LIGHT. Would you say adding household light bulbs to a sign for illumination is an arguement ????????
Cheers
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This is good stuff….
I’m of the opinion that LEDs are just a different way of doing something, there is no right or wrong, just good ways and bad ways….
The points I would make is of course uneducated in the signage field, but having travelled extensively in the US they would appear to be light years ahead to Europe on acceptance and use of signage, our planning laws are different and far more conservative then in the US, as a result signage development happens much faster. The point I’m making is that perhaps your neon manufacturers are rushed off their feet not because neon is better then LEDs, but because European Businesses are finally giving signage the attention it deserves in differentiating one biasness from another and finding new ways to build a brand name to attract more custom.
I’m not sure I understand your last point, as light bulbs have been used in signage for a very very long time and are still being used. I would also make the point that LEDs are defiantly not light bulbs. They are a semiconductor that only allows passage of electrical current in one direction.
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Hi John
I agree with what your saying, at the moment we are changing over signage for a well known mobile phone company, these are all Led not Neon, the first boards that were manufactured were all manufactured by Osram the boards and aluminium heat sink were made the shape of the letters and then clear resin poured over them probably about 6mm thick, the problems are dry joints, water ingression and faulty power supplies, some of them look as though they have nearly caught fire, I think if I were the mobile phone company involved I would be getting in touch with the original supplier and asking whats happened to the 100,000 hour Led life I reckon when these were originally made they cost an absolute fortune, we are replacing them with a different type of Led extremely reliable and easy to install. you see we don’t only manufacture Neon we do Led as well.
Regards
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Yes but you dont use household bulbs instead of Neon or LEDs for internal illuminated letters. Or do you !
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I was going to comment but, I think thats ends this thread.
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