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  • Innocent until proven guilty?

    Posted by Phill Fenton on March 13, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    I don’t like to court controversy, but it occurs to me we have a witch hunt mentality in the country with regards to Jimmy Saville and other high profile celebrities accused of sex crimes?

    I always understood the basis of our law was that there should always be a presumption of innocence until a case is proven in a court of law. How come the papers and media can get away with statements about his "crimes" that haven’t been settled in court?

    Surely the man should be tried (even though he is deceased) to ensure justice prevails?

    Only playing devils advocate here – but my concern is that allowing this to go on is a breach of the British justice system :peek:

    John Singh replied 11 years, 2 months ago 4 Members · 5 Replies
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  • Steve Morgan

    Member
    March 13, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    Were he alive it would of course be libelous to print what has been in the media, however I don’t think that you can libel a deceased person.

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    March 13, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    i agree with regards to your point on the papers getting their say without "most the time" being held liable. i guess that alone is a huge discussion in itself.

    i personally believe in a higher government "of sort" is in existence in all parts of the world. higher in as above what we all know as of the dictators of this and that globally… just personal opinion of course and again another huge discussion on that in itself could be had.

    as far as jimmy saville and co are concerned. well i have read and watched allot about him and others online. some nonsense, some very credible, whist other stuff was pretty much under our noses.
    do i think he was a paedophile, yes… why, well not really waht the papers have said. just what i have found with digging here and there over the Internet.
    should all those connected to him tarred be tarred by the same brush, no not at all. but i do believe most turned a blind eye to it.
    i think his connections to high ranking government officials and many others
    being part of his "ring" has been what kept it all under wraps via fear of pulling allot of them down with him.

    Yes, i know allot of what i have just said was in the papers and much of the my opinions expressed by many time and time again. i know that, i just mean it was my own digging online, listening to witness stories, who he was connected to and more that made my mind up. rather than just reading the papers and taking it as gospel.

    😀

  • Ivan Morley

    Member
    March 14, 2013 at 10:27 am

    When I was arrested (with a few others for questioning under caution), and it was reported in the newspapers, the police did not reveal any names, just ages.

    Yet, celebrities are arrested and have their names published. Are the police leaking this information?

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    March 14, 2013 at 10:31 am
    quote Ivan Morley:

    When I was arrested (with a few others for questioning under caution), and it was reported in the newspapers, the police did not reveal any names, just ages.

    yeh but that was only last week Ivan, there’s still time yet mate. 😕
    i think you will be fine though, at the end of the day you only spoke to jimmy in the pub. count yourself lucky, i still have the cigar burn on my ar$e cheek! 😳

    :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

  • John Singh

    Member
    March 14, 2013 at 6:56 pm
    quote Robert Lambie:

    yeh but that was only last week Ivan, there’s still time yet mate. 😕
    i think you will be fine though, at the end of the day you only spoke to jimmy in the pub. count yourself lucky, i still have the cigar burn on my ar$e cheek! 😳

    :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

    :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

    We did have the case of a person not long back who was wrongly accused and the person accusing took back his statement…… but the damage is not easily undone
    A person’s character can be assassinated and yet he can be totally innocent

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