I don’t get it!

[Dave Bruce]

quote :

I am under the impression that a forum like this is meant to be used to meet peers within the industry,learn some new things, and on occasion help each other out.

That is exactly what goes on here Stevo, to be fair.

There was a thread regarding the deleting of emails sometime ago, maybe you missed it. I think basically in the early days there was alot of spam sent via other peoples emails from the site and I think if you were sent some yourself and discovered it came from here you would not be too pleased.

If you are a paid up member you can pm other members as you know, so why should other non paying members get free advice?

I have had my email removed before too and it did make it more difficult for me to contact the supplier offering advice, but I resolved it eventually.

I think this is the best sign forum I visit and I believe the policing adds to the professional image the site has developed.

It would be a great shame if we lost your imput, as it has given many of us great inspiration on numerous occasions.

Cheers

Dave

[Robert Lambie]

hi Steve

should we allow your email address to be left, only for Joe bloggs selling machines to complain he cant?

should we allow the multiple posts by genuine members who just bought a new cadet or versacamm trying to gain a bit of trade supplies post links to their website or leave an email?

should we think him or her is just being nice, so we better leave it? fair enough.. however, after over four years running the boards, every aspect of being lenient has been abused. we have even had suppliers posing as "newbie sign makers" taking membership asking people to contact them for help… only to spam us all.

I’m not trying to be funny mate, but "where do you draw the line?"

when a post is made asking for help, someone replies and helps. people reading the post get helped as well as the person posting.
but lets say a post is made asking for help. many can’t solve the problem but try. then someone posts. (i can help, contact me at solution@thesignsman.com) from here the discussion is taken up via email. same as it would on the boards. however, when a solution has been reached. nobody on The site knows! that poster that’s started the thread has his problem solved. but the post in question is a Dud! it helps nobody Reading it! what can be helped via email should be able to be helped via uksb.

there are a million scenarios… we keep to the solution that best solves ongoing problems.

i hope this helps explain things, even if just a little.

[Marekdlux]

It is difficult for anyone outside of the UK (except the priviledged few) to help out because the only way to get PM ability is to be a part of the UKSG, which you can only do if you live in the UK. I guess they want everyone to say everything in the forums, but sometimes an email or PM will sort the problem without having to clog up the forum for other users. I do have to agree with you about the file swapping. I can’t say I would be sad to see that part of the site dissapear. For every legitimate "share" there are many others that are not legal in my opinion.
This subject has been covered many times though so not sure what good it does.
If anyone does PM me, include your email address, this is the only way I can contact you back.
-Marek

[Marekdlux]

quote DaveBruce:

If you are a paid up member you can pm other members as you know, so why should other non paying members get free advice?

Sorry Dave, but only the UKSG members can PM or see profiles. I have no access to any of that with a lifetime gold- (not +).
-Marek

[Robert Lambie]

marek no disrespec mate…
but nobody at all gets to see profiles. not even mods…
days gone by everyone could. but lets say you started getting emails or "letters at your home" only for your partenr to read… from porn sites from men and women asking to meet you because you are advertsing yourself there. knowing fine well the only site stipulating getting you must give full details is being abused, using well know sign makers details all over the net. who would you complain to mate? obviously me…

if we require personal details, we must protect them.

we have looked at offering those outside the uksg pm fascilities, and still are. but should a few quid paid give you the right to promote your "new sign forum" "sell to the trade" be abusive to members that dont agree with your post… and proceed to threaten you! because there is just another scenario. i know of members, suppliers and me included that have been threatend…

problems like this and more happen every day on a popular web sites. its my job to keep it at bay. if not solve, then minimise it.

.

[Marekdlux]

How come on a few occasions when there is a new member someone will say "Hey, nice website!" when there has been no mention of their website posted? Or am I just losing it?
-Marek

[Robert Lambie]

because uksg members can see a row of contact buttons, (not details)
i.e. send email, send pm, view website etc when they use this fascility the email for instance is posted via the boards from that account. not extrenaly… the disclaimer asks the person if they ae being spammed, threatened or whatever to contact the administrator and complain.
if this person is threatening the member i can do something about it as i have the proof.

as you may have seen in the "how did the boards start post" the site orgintaed for the uksg, we have adapted it to allow everyone become involved. but this proves difficult at times. as i said, we try please the majority if we cant please everyone.

ill be honest, i dont want this site to be unmoderated. every other sign site on the net claims to be and i see daily abuse, arguments and more on them.
try tell me one though that "is not" moderated. even if they say they arent! i know different….

by the way that last comment wasnt asking for a site name 😉 but if anyone feels they know one that isnt, feel free to contact me and ill reply.

[Jill Marie Welsh]

Just a suggestion….
Would it be possible to show member’s email addies pending their approval/permission?
Like the AIM/Yahoo buttons.
That way it’s up to them if they don’t mind spam.
Moderation is a necessary evil.
I like that nobody can rip on anyone else here.
I’ve noticed that even a just site reference can be edited out…not the actual website.
Love….Jill

[Phill Fenton]

Sorry Steve but I do get it.

If you want a friendly site then it is a necessary evil to edit out many of the extreme opinions expressed by some nutters that are out there.

It’s not paranoia – it’s simply a case of keeping the site friendly and light hearted. There have been many "nutters" that have visited this site and expressed opinions that do not belong here. This site has often been criticised for it’s censorship both here and on other sites – but without moderation it is likely to descend into a slagging match – fun to read but not conducive to a friendly atmosphere.

I’ve looked at other sites that boast they do not moderate the views and opinions expressed – but these sites simply degenerate into cliques that have their own blinkered views and agendas.

[David Rowland]

Most of the companies like BBC, CNN or any large-company message board site is moderated, although I am a big beliver in freedom of speech I do feel that the admins/moderators have done there job correctly to try and make this place a fair balance between sign makers and suppliers.

If this place became a message board full of adverts then it would become offputting… how many times have you had double glazing salesmen on the phone, people asking which gas supplier your on, people asking to give to charity, etc. who moderates that?

I am quite happy here as the adverts are to a minimum, the UKSG group gets discounts, the quality of messages are great with a vast archive of knowledge, If you contribute something, you do get a mention and who you work for, you do get a fair deal.

However as you might know, video is becoming more of a focus on the web, it however does require a lot of investment to get it right, it requires a good hosting deal, video cameras (few angles), someone to hold the camera, editing software, voice over, materials, conversion to web, step-by-step pictures and write up, this all takes time and money, so I am quite prepared to pay for the new gold package when it is due as I am certain I will learn something new.

With regards PM, I do feel outside UK could do with a better deal on that and UKSG needs more openess to talk about anything on the UKSG forum but being here without my contact details limits me from being identified but only to UKSG members.

[Shane Drew]

I can see both points here, and I have no intention of adding fuel to the fire.

My only confusion relates to the mods at times. This thread is a good opportunity to bring it up.

As an instance: some time ago a member, lets call him member Y, was looking for a vector. I know that there is a very good vector on another site produced by a member here.

I stated in the reply, that a non UK member, member X, was selling one on site xyz.com. My response was edited to remove the xyz.com address.

That same week, another member, member Z, asked if there was any hi res photos of fruit that were good for printing. Again, I buy my fruit photos from xyz.com, so suggested they do also. That reference to xyz.com was not deleted. This did not go un-noticed by Member X either.

I’m not sure why member X was penalised just because it was obviously deemed as profiting from this site. I’m not sure that I see that as a even handed moderation. Member X saw it as discrimination.

I have no problem with the need for moderation tho, and I know from personal experience that some members in the past have made outragous statements to get an argument going. The mods do a good job in this respect. It would not be an easy job, and they are trying to run businesses as well, so I do appreciate their input, I just wonder if we should be penalizing members like member X in this instance. xyz.com is a legitimate site like many others reccommended here, and Member X has a business creating vectors.

It should also be noted that member X has donated time and energy in doing demo’s posted here for all to benefit from. He is a valued member of this site, from my perspective anyway.

Just a little confusing from my point of view.

[Simon Kay]

I find myself confused also, regularly.

There has to be a way to contact each other if we want.

If the mods don’t want something discussed on the boards then fair enough but leave us the leaway to carry on the conversation with each other.

For instance I cannot speak to Stevo Chartran. He can’t give me his e-mail and I can’t give him mine. I’d like to speak to Stevo. I’d like to speak to Stevo about many things some sign related some not. Sheet I’m nearly able to contact someone living in Canada and could possibly talk to him about more things than just signs for goodness sake. The sign stuff I’d be happy to post here.
Another example was a while back when Billy Wifta let it be known that he was having knee trouble. I sent a post letting him know of this stuff that my wife had taken and it was brilliant – nothing more deviant than that. Just trying to point a bloke in the right direction for stuff that helps and is not sheit. The thread was bumped or my e-mail address was deleted. Does’nt help his knees much, I had nothing to gain except the pleasure in knowing I may have pointed him in the right direction.
Another more recent example. I asked on the boards if anyone had an arc welding image and many of you including Rob responded and I thank you for that. However one newish member offered to actually go out and get the image I needed as he was in that environment the next week. Well it turned out to be quite a big thread with folk joining in about all things welding – I didn’t have a problem with that – it’s all about the craik after all. However when the chap who offered to help came up with the goods – he’d gone out and taken photos for me – he was edited and that was end of story. Go figure.

Even if the mods had put a post in to suggest we took it to a personal level then that would have been acceptable. But I felt let down by UKSB and I’m sure he felt let down too. He was only trying to help after all.

It’s a tricky subject and I’ve spoken to Rob about it. I understand his concerns and appreciate the situation he is in however, and I’m sure I’m not alone in this, I receive about 60 bogus harassement each day trying to sell me bullshit I don’t want. I’m not scared of a wee bit more. I’m in control of the delete button at this end after all.

Cheers.
Simon.

[Shane Drew]

Simon, emailed stevo’s address to your fullboonah email.

Cheers

[Simon Kay]

Thanks Shane,

Crackly line or what!!!!

I get your drift now. 😀

Tamuchly

Simon.

[Carrie Brown]

Shoot me Im a mod!! (:)

I think the site is great and Im sure most of you here think that too??!!

There is a need for moderation around here … otherwise the site would be full of spam from people who want you to buy something from them, or silly bickering from members who do not really support the site, but only come here as they think its amusing to try and cause conflict then go boast about it on other sites. Other sites do moderate too … they just arent open enough to let people know about it. We leave a little note so that the person knows their post has been edited. Other sites just remove … no-one knows this as they are not open enough to admit doing it!

As a mod I do not get to see any info about any members … I get to see the contact buttons just the same as all other uksg members and the only additions I get is a forum called mods post bin, where we put the spam posts from suppliers etc. and an edit button that allows me to edit posts.

The "over policing" as some people want to call it (mainly ex members …. funny that!!) around here in my opinion has been caused from so many people in the past who have taken the pi$$ by abusing and trying to dodge the site regulations. Unfortunately this meant clamping down on certain areas of the site and in a lot of ways making it difficult for the genuine people here.

Suppliers both trade and non official trade cannot blow their own trumpet … what we were finding was a few members would get together and recommend each other …. as a way to dodge not recommending themselves …. you think thats a fair and unbiased way of doing things, that someone is only putting a contact forward, not because they offer the best service but because they in return will get a mention? It becomes a case of you pat my back I will pat yours.

Then you have the people who dont really support rob or this site or any of us members ….. they think its great to use the sites pm and email facility to spam other members with info on other sites, services, etc etc … you think that is fair? Again this kind of behaviour ruined things for everyone else.

Rob in my opinion is in an awkward situation trying to please everyone. With complaints from members about other members or things around the site, hack attempts, fake sign ups (usually from ex members) and a million other things that go on around here that most people dont realise. I think he is doing a fab job.

I do however, feel that maybe the email and pm facility could be dropped down to Gold membership so as the non UK peeps can get to use it too.

No matter what happens around here it will never be enough for some people … but you cant please everyone!!

😀

[Shane Drew]

perhaps the PM’s could be policed by the mods too? Just a thought. You mods have probably got nothing better to do anyway 😮 …. I’ll get me coat 😕 😳

[Carrie Brown]

Well its not as though me, Nik, Andy & Rob come on to read the posts or contribute where and when we can now is it … I mean we only come on to upset people and edit posts …. not as if we want to be able to come on and sit back and enjoy the site along with everyone else. 😮 😉

The whole point about pm … is that they are private …. we dont have access to those …. only the open posts on the forums. I dont want to be watching anymore posts than I already have to anyway … I do have a life, a young energetic family, day job and believe it or not peeps I do love coming here when its hassle free … then I get to browse through posts and enjoy myself like you lot!!!

😀

[Simon Clayton]

Carrie,
I see other sign sites and ex members being referred to as instigators of trouble,
What proof do you have, you imply it is all ex members, and I feel that to be very unfair.. maybe you should be edited to say “some ex members”

quote :

or silly bickering from members who do not really support the site, but only come here as they think its amusing to try and cause conflict then go boast about it on other sites

. Which I’ve not seen on any of the other sites

quote :

Other sites do moderate too … they just arent open enough to let people know about it. We leave a little note so that the person knows their post has been edited. Other sites just remove … no-one knows this as they are not open enough to admit doing it!

if your not a moderator of any other sign site how would you know what has been moderated or not?? Yes if someone sticks on hard core porn and the like yes it would be removed, that’s to be expected, but I can say I have never had any of my posts delete or edited on any other sign site, as I have here..

quote :

Suppliers both trade and non official trade cannot blow their own trumpet

Yet you have paid advertisements on here, why not just be honest and tell people this is a commercial site, and needs to make money.. simple

To solve the contact problem is simple; you have a public and private profile, the private profile is for Rob it has all your contact details, phone number, address etc the public one is the same but you can choose what you want to show, ie just your email and maybe phone number..

I hope I don’t come across in the wrong way, and that I’m trying to cause trouble as I’m not,(its difficult to write down what your trying to say) I have enjoyed this site from the very start.. But felt it was unfair that ex members and other sign site were being somehow blamed

Simon c

[Marcella Ross]

I can only say that this site, in my opinion, is professionally run and stands out from the rest. Due to the level of moderation on this site, it has not sunken to the lower levels of other sites where they are applauded for slagging people off.

I have no problems with the mods here, yes it can be a bit inconvenient when you want an email address but it’s a small price to pay for a great site full of great info, humour and most of all interesting and knowledgeable people.

[Carrie Brown]

No I am not saying that all ex members and other sites are causing trouble at all … if you read it that way, thats up to you. Thats not the way I intended it to read. We still have members that like to stir things up a bit too even now :lol1:

I have been and read other sites (note I said sites, there are more than one) for myself thanks … so yes I have seen posts and members that are there … and then gone the next! I do not need to be a moderator on another site to see a post vanish do I!!

I have also been on other sites that sl@g off the posts that are made here, way things are run, the paying of membership fees etc etc … again Im not the only one to see this!

The silly bickering has gone on here … thats a fact that other members are aware of too …. by people who signed up under false details and then thought it was fun to sl@g off work posted by members or start arguments over simple issues … so again yes that has gone on here.

This is not a commercial site at all … and any short minded people that want to think that way then thats up to them!! We have paid advertisers here yes … crikey do you think this site runs on fresh air??

All this fuss over whether or not people can send emails or pms … and because they get edited when they leave a contact email etc!! Im sure it could have been raised in a more diplomatic way than it has been … but I guess each person has their right to post as they see fit … including me.

I hate the fact that because I am a moderator here Im seen as an enemy and that really pi$$es me off … whoppee doo I edit the odd post here and there, majority of the time from people wanting to offer their services which we all know is not a fair or unbiased way to do things … simple!

[Robert Lambie]

We understand the frustration of email addresses being binned, but it does just come back too, “how can we edit some and not others?” Regardless to wrong or right, it will blow up in our face further down the line.

I’ll be honest, and i hope not to offend. Decisions made on the best way to combat spam, trouble makers and the like, is done so with “the boards” as priority.
Taking into consideration things like Simon has said about wanting to take up discussion off the site on non-sign matters, or the trouble with Billy’s knee, is not something i consider a concern of a website forum. Yes… situations like that will happen, but surely we cannot be expected to start worrying about this sort of situation arising also, where does it end?

My priority is making sure this site remains friendly, unbiased, regular content updates and more. What nobody seems to take into consideration, and probably doesn’t care. Is that I have had every possible bad case scenario thrown at me over the years by
visitors. From spamming, hacking, theft of content, viruses to personal threats of violence, (offsite). How the site is run today is on reflection of our experience.

As i have said, we are looking into extending contact capabilities to members outside the UK. So we will keep you posted.

[Robert Lambie]

Simon
Fair enough, you have your own opinions. But i am not about to allow this post to slide towards an argument about other sites. If this is the case, i will bin the post and lock the thread.

Please note: Nothing out of line, or inaccurate has been posted.

if you feel it necessary to talk about other sites please do so via email with me admin@uksignboards.com if you can prove me wrong or bring things to light that i don’t not know about that others should be aware of. I will post the full conversation here.

Thank you

[Peter Mindham]

quote Marcella:

I can only say that this site, in my opinion, is professionally run and stands out from the rest. Due to the level of moderation on this site, it has not sunken to the lower levels of other sites where they are applauded for slagging people off.

I have no problems with the mods here, yes it can be a bit inconvenient when you want an email address but it’s a small price to pay for a great site full of great info, humour and most of all interesting and knowledgeable people.

Well said Marcella. I was trying to put my thoughts down and you did it for me.

Peter

[Simon Clayton]

I’m sorry Rob, but maybe you should read thru all the other posts and see who did bring up ex members and other sites??? clearly not me!

So should you not be aiming your comment at the person who did..

Simon c

[Robert Lambie]

the topic is about the editing of email addresses on this site.
we are not bringing up the question of other sites to discuss, merely mentioning various problems that we face on a daily basis.

[SteveW]

No email or pm access? …….. Pay the money like everyone else does or stop complaining ……this does of course exclude non uk’ers! Other uksg members dont seem to have a problem with the way things are run here and the way things have always been run here. Membership fees have to be paid literally everywhere these days, others manage to pay it and get on with it!

Why do some people feel that they are "owed" something, isnt having this site and its members and all the info enough!!

Moderation is a must on every forum … Im part of a gaming forum, even that has to be moderated and its no where near the size this place is. Theres a lot to keep on top of here and I for one am happy with things here, the info and the members. Im happy with what I get for my money!

[Nicola McIntosh]

quote Marcella:

I can only say that this site, in my opinion, is professionally run and stands out from the rest. Due to the level of moderation on this site, it has not sunken to the lower levels of other sites where they are applauded for slagging people off.

I have no problems with the mods here, yes it can be a bit inconvenient when you want an email address but it’s a small price to pay for a great site full of great info, humour and most of all interesting and knowledgeable people.

my thoughts exactly marcella well said………….. 😀

and im with carrie hate to think i was also thought of as the ‘enemy’ cause im a mod 😕 we are all here to do a job…which involves quite a lot of work and dedication to a forum which is in my view going to go on further because of the enthusiasim not only from the mods and as shane rightly says…(we also have jobs and family to look after too) but to the great folk who contribute to it everyday…..who i would like to thank without you guys….the uksb wouldnt be here 😉

nik

[Shane Drew]

You are right Marcella and Carrie.

Easily the best site of its type by a country mile.

The mods are what keep this site ‘top class’. Don’t take it too personally tho Carrie. I am sure I speak for the greater majority here, all the mods are appreciated for their vigilance, but I’m sure you’d agree that it is better for ‘issues’ to be aired here, than on other sites.

I think the issues are worse for the non UK members tho. Rob is aware of them, and I am sure he’ll address them, in due time.

It is definately a catch 22 for Rob here. I fully understand the difficulty too.

I can only encourage everyone to keep up the good work.

Shane

[Alex Wilson]

I have posted only a few messages on this board even though I have been around since Rob started it many years ago. Without all his (and others) extreme hard work there would not be this site for our questions to be answered and help to be offered. Which was in reality why the boards started. We should be only to happy to stick to whatever rules are layed down because at the end of the day everyone would be worse off without it.

Rob why don’t you bring back the Thursday night chat room so eveyone can have a get together and air their views 😉

I have been in this trade for twenty odd years and still get valuable info from this site and I for one would be sad to see it go if Rob and the others got fed up of all the criticism and jacked it all in.

[John Childs]

I didn’t realise that non UK users had no pm or email buttons.

I think that a system that denies those facilities to people like Jill, Shane and Stevo, to name but a few, who contribure so much to this site, needs a re-think.

[Simon Kay]

Yeah guys don’t get your knickers in a twist. 😀

I was hoping to add to a thread constructively not destructivley. You folk have a hard job, I wouldn’t want to do it.

You’ve got a great site, more of a community really.

I eventually paid for Gold membership as I could see the value. The thing I thought available to me it seems are not.

No huge deal. We can bring it up in an adult fashion. Something will get worked out I’m sure.

I for one am not sure what ‘other’ sites you are all on about. This is the only sign site I came across and have had no reason to go looking elsewhere.

Anyway like I said – untwist the undies guys – you are appreciated for your efforts in keeping the site operational.

Cheers
Simon K

[Shane Drew]

:lol1: I wish they knew you like I did simon kay, they’d know your comments would have been said with a definate laid back style 😉

Untwist the undies? That is a simonism if ever I’d heard one 😀

[Simon Kay]

Of course that’s ‘knowing me’ not ‘knowing me’ in the biblical sense.

Just thought I’d clear that one up.

😀

Just trying to lighten the scene a little Shano. :lol1:

[Lorraine Clinch]

quote SteveW:

No email or pm access? …….. Pay the money like everyone else does or stop complaining ……this does of course exclude non uk’ers! Other uksg members dont seem to have a problem with the way things are run here and the way things have always been run here. Membership fees have to be paid literally everywhere these days, others manage to pay it and get on with it!

Why do some people feel that they are “owed” something, isnt having this site and its members and all the info enough!!

Moderation is a must on every forum … Im part of a gaming forum, even that has to be moderated and its no where near the size this place is. Theres a lot to keep on top of here and I for one am happy with things here, the info and the members. Im happy with what I get for my money!

Well said Steve, I feel exactly the same, fab site, loads of advice, and I have no need to go looking for any other sites-this one has all I need. Before I came across this site I was working completely alone, unable to get any advice. Now I know that if I get stuck, I can ask advice-and give help back if able.

I once made a post which – it would seem- caused someone great upset, and they became quite abusive. I was very upset by this, but it was soon jumped on by Rob. If he hadn’t moderated that particular thread, it would quite possibly have developed into the type of thing the mods are trying to avoid.

Regarding overseas members not being able to contact others privately, when they have paid membership-Rob has said he will look into this, and I am sure he will.

Thanks to all of the mods, we are able to enjoy a fantastic resource. Long may it continue!

[John Simpson]

Just like to echo Lorraine’s comments about spending years in this business "all alone" & then coming across this site. WOW.

I have said this quite openly on here before……….The amount of real "Friends" i have made since joining, who are members of this group, is absolutely amazing.
I cannot begin to explain what a difference it has made to me, my staff & my business by being a member of uksb.

I have met many members of this group over the last year or so face to face as well as at the signs UK, the ones i ha vent actually met as yet quite a few of us speak on the phone or just a quick email to each other just to say hello………such a brilliant community.

Getting back to the main problem of email addresses being edited from posts is annoying, i know from experience but i have found there is usually a way around the problem in most cases either by contacting Rob, Nik or Carrie & they will help all they can by putting you in contact with that person if it is humanly possible.

Sorry to rabbit on.

L J

[Brian Little]

quote Marcella:

I can only say that this site, in my opinion, is professionally run and stands out from the rest. Due to the level of moderation on this site, it has not sunken to the lower levels of other sites where they are applauded for slagging people off.

I have no problems with the mods here, yes it can be a bit inconvenient when you want an email address but it’s a small price to pay for a great site full of great info, humour and most of all interesting and knowledgeable people.

quote :

humour and intresting people …at last the lovely marcellas noticed me !! 😀 😀

[Peter Normington]

Some of you may have noticed that I hang around here quite a lot.

I dont claim to be artistic, but I do get inspiration from the input of people like stevo, and many others, I am quite happy to allow Rob and the Moderaters to keep this place tidy and free from some of the stuff seen on other sites. at the end of the day a little editing is for the best, I wouldnt reccomend anyone to post their email addy on any website, it is always up for abuse, and can be trawled by spammers.

I will freely give help if I can, the only return I expect is that if someone can help me out one day, it will have been worth it.

Stevo gives free advice on design which is invaluable

I may give advice on a more practical level.

we all have something to offer.

thats what makes this place extra ordinary.

Genuine views and comments are rarely edited, we do have a relatively free voice here, we can all reccomend but not advertise, as signmakers we do not need to advertise to each other, so when someone has a van with their company name on it in the background of the work they are showing, it dosn’t matter. very few of us buy signs in, just the materials.

I appreciate that anything with worth is not free, I am happy for this site to include adds, as long as they are not in your face and a subscription charge seems good value.

We all at some point may have a suggestion to make the boards better,
we at least can discuss this in an open forum, and Rob does listen!

Just my ickle bit

Peter

[David Rogers]

quote Simon Kay:

I for one am not sure what ‘other’ sites you are all on about. This is the only sign site I came across and have had no reason to go looking elsewhere.

Ditto. I stopped looking when I got here. 😛

Yes it CAN be inconvenient to get instant personal contact in a mod-safe way. But, we ALL agreed to play by the rules…..and those are the rules. I’ve fallen foul of the "(mod-edit)" a few times inadventently, so try to be extra careful these days 😎 as I value the community we have here.

Yes, Rob & the mods (80’s punk band?) run a tight ship as regards self promotion & dishing out your own contact details – so be it. As somebody said before – if you need a contact – ask – somebody’ll get it to you.

This being the case, 99% of us tow the line with using ‘real name’ and ‘photos’ ….. but some have/had sneaked in under the radar of this cardinal rule. (:)

ps. I wholeheartedly appreciate the effort the mods make policing the boards – sometimes even at 1 or 2am! I realize that watching the input of a public forum that frequently posts names & is read by a LOT of competitors & suppliers alike is treading a fine line between nazi rule & civil anarchy – liablist comments, or blatant slagging off could all end in tears for the hosts for allowing the content to appear.

pps. As I’m waffling on :lol1: I’m one of two appointed mods in a forum with a couple of hundred members (975). Due to its nature, it’s a very relaxed affair & we only boot off p0rn bots & viagra salesmen! Having the power of life & death over posts & even accounts is not something taken lightly – that said I don’t think I’ve edited a member’s post except my own in the last 3 years as it’s remarkably self regulating & good natured. (only 10 to 30 posts per day) With the strongest rebuke being "What a load of cr4p!" when duff instructions or solutions have been posted. Ah, easy life compared to here.

[Andrew Boyle]

I have really enjoyed Stevo’s informative contributions………

and after the way his thread has developed would enjoy another one 😀