how would i fix signage to this building?

[Andy Gorman]

Oooooh, I can understand your concerns. I did a similar thing, but it was only 8′ x 1′ and fixed to brick.

Can you fix into the steel subframe? (purlins I think they are called.)

Screwfix do a self drilling bolt that is designed for this.

Alternatively, is it possible to use a printed mesh instead of a rigid panel?

[Martin Pearson]

Tecscrews are designed to self drill straight into cladding, mind you I always drill a small pilot hole first.

[Richard Barraclough]

Hi john , I did a similar job in london few years ago,like andy says there must be a frame inside the building, have your welder make you some straps/ plate that have bolts welded onto them that saddle the sub frame and drill the holes out through the cladding and bolt your sign up from the exterior, if you see what i mean, its a bit difficult to explain.

hope it helps

rich 🙂

[Richard Barraclough]

Christ i didnt realise i was an artist!

this may explain better

rich 😎 😕

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[Richard Barraclough]

sorry john missed the bit about no access from inside whooooops. (!)

[Richard Barraclough]

You could pull that scaffold over a couple of feet, couple a coats light grey paint, few tie wraps bit of silicone…….BINGO job done! :lol1: 😉 😉

[John Harding]

Thanks all for the feedback so far – forgot to mention sign is portrait not landscape although it doesnt affect much I guess

quote :

Screwfix do a self drilling bolt that is designed for this.

Andy do you have a link or item no. for this please

Thanks again

John

[Andy Gorman]

This is the kind of thing, although I think you’d need bigger ones. Rob uses them I think, so maybe he’s got a supplier for bigger ones.

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro … 9&id=15279

[Gavin MacMillan]

You’ll be able to pick these things up in most hardware places. I wouldn’t pre drill, there designed to go straight in so no need to double the work! (they go through ally angle no bother by the way)

This comes up with us from time to time, at the minute were doing a folded dibond panel for a similar thing, but it’s a lot smaller, would interested to see what you do for the final version.

Cheers

G

[Martin Cole]

Hi John,

Good to meet you at the show last week.

IMO I wouldn’t feel comfortable about doing it, if you can’t get a fixing on the inside.
I just don’t feel Tec bolts (great though they are) are good enough alone for a sign that’s standing off 3 feet.

I’d put them off the idea and sleep soundly at night. 😕

Here’s another link to cladding fixings.
http://www.cladco.co.uk/fastening-systems.htm

[Peter Normington]

John, portrait does make a diff, only 18" sticking out instead of 36"

make up the brackets and attach to the purlings that are behind the cladding fixings. (where the cladding screws are)

You can use butterfly bolts to secure, far better job that tec screws.

Peter

[Martin Cole]

quote Peter Normington:

John, portrait does make a diff, only 18″ sticking out instead of 36″

Peter, the sign is 6′ x 3′ clean those glasses 😀 .

Also great to meet you and lynn last week.

[John Harding]

Hi Martin

Good to meet you (again) also (met you the year before if you remember)

Thanks for the link mate

Peter – Nice to see you again too

quote :

You can use butterfly bolts to secure, far better job that tec screws.

do you have a link for these please Peter they sound better

quote :

John, portrait does make a diff, only 18″ sticking out instead of 36″

Martin I think Peter is refering too the distance from the midway point to the edge of the sign this being the amount protruding either side of the corner

Really appreciate all your advices

John 😀

[Peter Normington]

Martin, me specs are crystal.

6′ x 3 ‘ portrait
so 3’ = 36" divided by 2.

18" sticking out each side?

In reality its a small sign, size of an average door?

anyway looking at Johns photo of the building, any bigger would be blocking light from the windows?

Peter

Great to meet you Martin,
you were a lot smaller than I imagined
😉

Peter

[Robert Lambie]

quick reply…

like Andy says, i use tech screws allot. techs come in various types, lengths etc you have techs for hard metal, soft metal, even wood. they also come in a range of sizes from .5 inch up to about 8 inches long, maybe longer, i have a bag of these long ones i keep handy in the off chance i need to try and hit some steel frame work for added support with a sign. that’s not often though because if i feel i need a bit of a better grip on a cladded building ill drill 4mm pilot holes, followed by wood techs.

there will be a video demo on fitting large flex-face signs loaded this week, you will see me using techs in that.

[Martin Cole]

quote Peter Normington:

Martin, me specs are crystal.

6′ x 3 ‘ portrait
so 3’ = 36″ divided by 2.

18″ sticking out each side?

OOP’s 😳 😳

Peter lend me those glasses 😮

It’s been a long day.

Happy anniversary to you and Lynn

[John Harding]

Peter

As mentioned in my post above – any chance you have a link for the butterfly bolts

Also rob where do you acquire wood techs and how do these differ?

John

[Robert Lambie]

ill have to look out details, ive just switched suppliers and name slips me…

wood tech is same idea as metal ones but because it is into wood there is no need for a self tapping tip on the screw, "its a point" they are broad threaded and really claw into the metal once they have a bite, but to get it going a small pilot hole is required due to the tip.

when ordering any sorta screw, always try and get "full" thread. some come in weird choices of thread for cladding purposes, but hopeless for sign fitting. so full thread is always safest.

[Peter Normington]

something like this john, they need a largish hole, but offer a positive fixing, I am not always confident with techscrews to cladding as the cladding is very thin, I have used techscrews, but like to have a few more robust fittings, just for peace of mind….

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro … &id=31268#

Peter

[John Harding]

Thanks guys – Peter I’m with you on the overkill philosophy

John

[John Harding]

Hi Guys

Job completed today, all went well so much so I think I could have swung from the sign – I didnt try though!

Frame courtesy of Dynamite welding 😉

All fixed with Fisher toggle fixings and tech screws

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[Richard Urquhart]

great stuff mate looks good

the welding was much easier with your drawing and with all the correct angles listed for me !!! yeah right !!!
looks like even the small c’s worked out ok

so its richard from dynamite signs and

richard from dynamite welding

just a quick one gosh i dont miss getting covered in crap all day !!!
rich

[Peter Normington]

Looks red hot to me,
😉

Looks like a sturdy job, well done.

Peter