how can i match vinyl from customers specific pantone ref?

[Marcella Ross]

Avery do a large selection of pantone colours…………. have you looked to see if they have it? I have one of their pantone swatch books if you give me the ref I’ll see if they have it. 🙂

[Ian Johnston]

what is his pantone colours? and how much vinyl do you need. the avery 900 series is pantone matched, if you need a specific colour though you will have to order about 1000meters of it :lol1:

post his colour here and you might find someone will be able to match an existing vinyl or print exactly the right colour for you.

Ian

[John Gregson]

Hi Marcella,
I’ve had a look at all my swatches and nothing comes close, saying that they still haven’t made there minds up over a choice of 3 different logo’s with 3 different colour schemes.

I’ve done this companies vans for over 4 years now with me doing the designing and applying – now as soon as a design agency has got involved everything goes pearshaped.

The designer insists that he has had vinyl made to his specification / pantone in the past and wants me to do the same. 😕

Cheers John

[John Gregson]

Hi Ian,
I agree with you and told the designer that to get an exact match you would have to buy over 1000m’s at a time and at a premium but he knows best.
I’ve put the ball back in his court and suggested that as soon as my client confirms the design the designer can source and order the vinyl for me. 😀

John

[Marcella Ross]

:lol1: :lol1: :lol1: quite right!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[David Glen]

When will graphic designers get it in to their heads that vinyl signage is a major part of any company image and they should design accordingly and specify brands etc.
That said, vinyl will never be a dead match to a Pantone (being designed for print on to paper etc).
This customer sounds dead fussy and I would get written acceptance of any colour you intend to use.
When I can’t get a close enough match I get stuff printed and cut (with a sample signed off).
What are the Pantones?

[John Childs]

John,

You can get custom colour vinyl in quantities as low as 50 metres, but you’re gonna pay for it! Most clients will accept a very close match once they find out what it is going to cost them.

If they go down the custom route, be careful. Any given Pantone will look different when produced in different materials (vinyl, print, paint etc etc) so get signed approval of a sample before commiting to buying a full roll.

[John Gregson]

Hi All,
The funny thing is that I’ve had an excellent working relationship with my customer up until now. Both our companies started at the same time in the same industrial est. I did his first van cheap as a favour.
1. to get the work and introduce my company
2. His company seamed to be struggling at the time.
Since then I have produced all there printing requirements, until, 10 vans later, the dreaded design agency has redesigned the whole logo and taken over all print related sourcing and work. This guy seems to think I’m going to be able to buy in vinyl, apply twice as much to the vans and honour the previous prices. Not a happy bunny 😳

I will wait until I’ve definate confirmation of logo colours before putting up pantone ref:

Cheers for you help so far – John

[Derek Heron]

Hi john
pop in any time and have a look through all my swatches
you can borrow them to show the customer if you want

Derek

[John Childs]

quote John Gregson:

This guy seems to think I’m going to be able to buy in vinyl, apply twice as much to the vans and honour the previous prices.

John,

There’s no question of "honouring" previous prices, and no need for the 😳 If the spec has changed then so must the price. Surely even a customer can understand that.

Your situation is not unusual and I’ve seen it time and time again – new business wants stuff on the cheap and you do your best to look after them and do them good deals. Down the line, when they are doing well and have a bit of money to spend they move on to a supplier they perceive as a bit more upmarket and dump you. There’s vey little loyalty left in the world these days, and I don’t let them catch me like that any more.

[Jon Marshall]

Avery do Pantone match now for one 1220mm roll. No idea what it costs though.

[Peter Normington]

jonm01

are you sure? can you tell me through which supplier.

Peter

[John Childs]

Any Avery supplier Peter.

It’s 900 series though.

[Peter Normington]

Any idea on price though John?

wouldn’t have thought it cost effective, unless its only for a limited number of colours

Peter

[John Childs]

There’s quite a range of colours Peter, and I was told that Avery’s stated aim is to eventually have every one. Of course the problem is that no supplier will want to carry that amount of slow moving stock so you won’t be able to get hold of any in a hurry so, except for popular colours, it will probably take about a week for delivery from Holland.

Cost effective? Well, do we really care? If the customer is that picky and insists on an exact match then he must expect to pay the price. We can offer him the alternative of a close match at a lower price then it becomes his problem and his decision. It’s not as if we as individuals are going to lose his business – if he can’t buy the colour he wants from you and me then he can’t buy it from anybody else either.

It’s been a long time since I asked the price and I can’t remember off the top of my head how much it is. You will, of course, have to buy a full roll of 1220mm. Again, your customer’s problem and his decision on whether he is prepared to cough up for that minimum order quantity.

It’s not too much of a problem for a manufacturer to make any colour you want in a cast in reasonably small quantities, but if you want a calendered then the economics are different and you would probably need to buy about a kilometre of the stuff. If you are doing a big job, then a good compromise is 800 series. We buy that for one customer at about £6.00 per metre, but it has to come in 250 metre lots. Provided you can use the quantity I think the price is very reasonable.

One other thing, I seem to recall that Oracal do a colour matching service. I’ve never enquired, but a price comparison might be interesting.

[Tim Painter]

Should be even more fun when more designers get their hands on the new PANTONE GOE pallet.

As an aside, X-rite have just purchased Pantone.

[Jason Davies]

We’ve had Pantone colours made up by Spandex in the past, have you tried them?

[John Gregson]

Hi all,
Finally got the pantone references from the design studio and as thought there are no clear matches in mac 9800 series.

If anyone has any suggestions using different brand 7-8 yr vinyl the references are as follows:

Pantone 362 EC (my macal 9800 suggestion grass green 9849 -12)
Pantone 638 EC – nothing close in 9800
Pantone 7462 EC not sure on the colour but the paper proof looks like sea blue 9839-22.

My pantone book only goes to 732 ish so if any one can give me a macal 9800 match on pantone: 7462 i’d apprciate it.

Cheers John

[Glenn Sharp]

closest I can find John….

362…….Avery 713 Grass Green

638…….Avery 732 Light Blue (closest there is but it looks very similar to
9839-07 which I presume you’ve discounted)

7462……Can’t find anything near that…It’s like a slightly dark RAF blue but nothing near

Sorry John…..not much help

[John Gregson]

Hi Glenn
Cheers for trying – i’ll have to get my hands on an avery swatch. Which avery vinyl product is best for long term vehicle lettering – I’m currently using mac 9800pro.

Cheers John

[David_Evans]

Oracal 751 traffic blue is pretty close to 7462

Dave

[Phill Fenton]

I would suggest printing his new logo rather than trying to find an exact colour match in vinyl.

[John Gregson]

That’s the way I was thinking as well Phill. Haven’t got a printer so i’ll show my customer whats available in vinyl and then give them the option having it printed.

Cheers for all your help.
John

[John Gregson]

Hi all,
Your never going to believe this. I’ve just had a meeting with both client and design agency and after 20 mins of explaining they both looked through my 9800 swatch book and picked all 3 colours. Yeeha 😀

Why couldn’t this have happened 2 weeks ago.

Cheers for all your help anyway.
John