Govt Targeting 4×4’s AGAIN

[David Rogers]

Totally agree!!

Some rumours in the mill about 4×4’s (AKA Gas Guzzlers) getting hit with a hefy £1800 road tax on new vehicles…OK, maybe that’s just the ‘greenies’ at work, but the idea of raod pricing is stupid – imagine getting charged upto a £1 a MIL to drive to and from work..or deliver your goods.

I’m already getting slightly nervous about bigger engined cars as they are what I like… just sold a 2.5 V6 and bought a 3.0. Fuel economy is not the order of the day. (25mpg combined) I’d honestly be tempted to do without than be ‘forced’ into driving a 1.0 Micra for economic reasons.

And what’s Tony planning on doing with our dosh? A new fleet of subs and more handouts & legislation to screw over the working public…no way it’ll be going to improve the road infrastructure…honestly forget ‘public transport’, who WANTS to sit on a bus or train filled with the scum of the earth and their kids coming back from the dole office / kwiksave – that’s why we have private vehicles.

Grrrr…rant concludes!! :lol1:

[Lynn Normington]

and if forced on to public transport where would we put our ladders and sign fitting equipment and our signs " do buses trains" have roof racks for our akward luggage (?) I think not 🙄

Lynn

[Phill Fenton]

Government policy of trying to Tax people off the roads isn’t working. We already pay the highest taxes on fuel yet still our roads are overcrowded.

I don’t know what the answer is – but I have finally accepted that we do have a problem with congestion and overcrowding on our roads yet the government are simply using this as an excuse to raise more income from road users and aren’t really takling the problem as the the motorist just grins and bears it and pays more tax yet continues to use his own vehicle. What is needed is a way to limit the number of vehicles on the road. I remember years ago in former Yugoslavia, the government limited drivers by imposing a law in which registration numbers were used to control who was allowed to use cars on certain days. Mondays, Wednesdays and fridays it was even number registration plates, whereas Tuedays, Thursdays and Saturdays only odd number registration plates were allowed on the road. Sundays everyone could drive.

The richer Yugoslavs got around it by driving foreign registered vehicles (Italian and Austrian) or by owning two vehicles with odd and even reg. nos.

I kid you not 😕

The roads were quiet though 😮

[Alan Wharton]

Just heard on the news that good old ken livingstone is now going to up the charge for DIESEL VANS that go withing the london toll zone by 100% he says he see’s this as a way forward in stamping out polution in the capitol. mmm lmao i see it as a good way of putting jobs on the line and buisnesses moving from the capitol 🙄 🙄

[Peter Normington]

I dont know how to solve the congestion problem, but perhaps a start would be to put a high tax on companies who employ people who live more than say ten miles from their place of work, In effect that is what the goverment is trying to do, but taxing the employee rather than the employer.
The question is, when we have paid all the road and travel tax, will the money be spent on improving the infrastructure? Doubt it, its a bit of a coincidence though, that we need to spend billions on a new nuclear deterent, so we can still have the fuel, to charge the tax on to pay for the nuclear……

Anyway I blame all the mums that insist on taking little johny/susan/ali/fatima/hans to school in 4x4s instead of making the little perishers walk, like people of an older generation had to….

Peter

[Phill Fenton]

It’s funny how whenever there are school holidays the roads are much quieter during rush hour. (?)

..So that’s it then , the mums are to blame. Time to levy a tax on mums. 😕

[David Rogers]

quote Phill:

I don’t know what the answer is – but I have finally accepted that we do have a problem with congestion and overcrowding on our roads ………..What is needed is a way to limit the number of vehicles on the road.

I don’t see a congestion problem, not in normal day to day traffic. Sure you might get stuck in a tailback for a bit., but it’s not like most people just drive around for the sake of it at 8-9 am & 5-6 pm (OK, some do), they are trying to go about their daily business. If anything it is the infrastructure that’s the problem, not the vehicles. Instead of spending many, many billions on millenium domes, green lobbies, P.C. commities & ‘homeland security’ (AKA police state) invest in traffic signals that work, timed correctly and don’t have 4 junctions sitting staring at each other for minutes at a time… (allegedly what Ken did to prove the congestion charge was needed was order timing changes on key London roads (that used to be fine)…once the charges came in mysteriously they cleared up…hmmmm.

Pricing the average person off the road – or banning car use on certain days (I’d heard of the two car deal too, but was for Japan – must be a few places that have tried.) I KNOW I’d buy a second vehicle – to maintain my right to travel freely.

Motorist have and always will be a soft target. A car is not just a means of travel it is an expression of freedom, of self destiny to chose to relocate at will under your own steam.
Control measures akin to China enforcing the ‘one child’ policy to control population…that made for a really happy population 🙄 Did it work? Yes. But at what cost to civil liberties & human rights?

Worryingly, I heard a snippet on the radio yesterday that the famed Scottish Executive (millitant legislative money spinners) now want to tackle vehicle generated pollution via taxation. Great…just great.

[Phill Fenton]

Here’s my plan to cut pollution, congestion, and save the earth all at the same time. It’s so intricate in it’s nature even Gordon Brown would approve.

1/ Impose an annual tax of 2,000 for any one mother with a child of school age. Further children to be taxed at a rate of 25% of the first child (i.e £500 for each child). Fathers to be exempt because they’re the breadwinners.

2/ All silver cars to be banned from the Roads Tuesdays and Thursdays

3/ Black cars banned on Mondays and Fridays.

4/ Red and Blue cars banned on Wednesdays.

5/ All other colours of cars to be banned completely and scrapped 😕

6/ Even Number registration Numbers to be banned from the roads on Odd days of the month

7/ Odd number registration numbers to be banned on even days of the month

8/ All 4×4’s to be banned completely because they are intrinsicaly evil and their owners should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for having one in the first place 😳

9/ Diesel cars to be banned from use at weekends

10/ Increase the number of bus lanes from one to two on each carriageway 😕

and so on.. 😉

[Peter Normington]

Great Idea Phill,
we should also make the motorways one way, so all 6 lanes are utilised, on odd hours, all traffic flows south, then on even hours all trafic flows north
with east and west variations of course.

Peter

[David Rogers]

quote Peter Normington:

Great Idea Phill,
we should also make the motorways one way, so all 6 lanes are utilised, on odd hours, all traffic flows south, then on even hours all trafic flows north
with east and west variations of course.

Peter

LOL – pure genius!

[Alan Wharton]

quote :

8/ All 4×4’s to be banned completely because they are intrinsicaly evil and their owners should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for having one in the first place

Thats gunna have the country up in arms Phil heheheh
4x4s i need them and when the new v8 range rover sport comes out in jan/feb my silver 1 is already ordered to add to the 2 4b’s we already have ASHAMED nahh i love em 😎 btw 1 of mine runs on vegy oil so more enviromentally friendly than these hybrid things that are about 😉

[John Childs]

I think Gordon is going about it the right way. Tax the poor people off the roads.

There’s a good socialist. 🙁

😕 😕 😕

[David Lowery]

quote Peter Normington:

Great Idea Phill,
we should also make the motorways one way, so all 6 lanes are utilised, on odd hours, all traffic flows south, then on even hours all trafic flows north
with east and west variations of course.

Peter

If this government implemented this, they would try it with only buses and lorries trying it first 😮 :lol1:

[Gert du Preez]

Funny thing, where I live, traffic jams would be a luxury – it would mean government actually gave industry / employers a suffiecient break from performing govt’s social responsibility, meaning more money is available to buy more cars! Progress at last!! Two decades ago – almost – this country became independant with promises of housing, education, CARS for all. So far we’ve failed 3 out of 3. Traffic jams would make that 2 ot of 3!!

[George Zerbino]

I have a Shogun, which is technically a 4×4, but can run it in rear wheel drive only, does that mean I get a discount seen as this way it’s only 2 wheel drive? 😀

[Phill Fenton]

Nope – and you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself for trying to destroy the planet 😛

[George Zerbino]

Shucks, I had my hopes high.

Oh well, sell the 4×4, buy a cheap heap of metal and do 3 trips to cart the family around instead of 1…. should buy a bus in that case. I’m sure a nice big diesel bus will not have as many emissions as the car…. (!)