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Gerber Edge2 System Complete…Hurry!
Hi there,
I’ve been bidding on a Gerber Edge2 System Complete including the Gerber enVision 375 Cutter, software etc.
I bid until 7000 Euros but a German guy wants it more that I do! (:)
It’s sitting on 7049 Euros at the moment (approx 5000 GBPounds).
I need to consider shipping charges and Customs etc. so might not bid any further. It might be worth a look for someone in the UK (or anywhere in Europe for that matter)Those who are interested go to the German Ebay site:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2576629149
I’ve had discussions with the seller. Seems like a nice bloke.
Here’s the info he gave me on the machine:
“The machine has been working since November 1999 and is in very good
condition. The heads are good and are at the present still being used.
The plotter (Gerber enVision 375) is of course with the machine. All
software required will also be delivered.”Only 5 hours left. Good luck!
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18 Replies
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It sold for EUR 7,851.00 (under GBP 5 600) !! š
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I think you are better off without it. I have owned two Thermal machines and been disappointed with both of them and sent them back. for another Ā£3000 you could by a brand new, warranted Versacamm which I have just ordered. You can also print high res posters with that. I personally think thermal resin will be dead as a dodo in a year or so.
Allan
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Hi Allan,
You’re probably right. It’s just the price that caught my eye initially.
Even at the price it went for, that was still cheap. Could easily have sold it here for a lot more.But I agree with you (and the others who have said the same here) that the VersaCamm is the best way to go, especially to start with.
A case of a blessing in disguise…? Thanks Allan.
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Hi Carlos,
I was interested in your comment about import duty because oddly enough if that was for sale not in an EEC country and I wanted to import it here the duty would be very minimal about 1.5% if I remember correctly, and this is rip off Britain remember.
I know this because I was interested in some screen printing gear I spotted in the States, I contacted them but put me in touch with their UK dealer who promptly marked it up by Ā£5000 (the rip off Britain syndrom). I decided to look into it and I worked out by buying in the US, paying all frieght and duties I would save Ā£4000 and the rate of duty on printing machines was for some reason extremelly low.
I actually bid on a thermal machine on ebay about 6 months ago a Fargo I think it was called. I bid Ā£700 for it and for a while the bid was mine and I then looked into a bit more and decided I did’nt want it. Fortunatly in the last day I was out bid and it went on to make well over Ā£2000 if I recollect.
Allan
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I am still ‘waiting’ for the guy at the customs office in JHB to phone me back with a rate (since Thursday)!
Spoke to a friend of mine a few hours ago. Told me the import duites on printers & other computer parts and accessories etc. here have dropped to close to nothing? Will check…
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Allan,
quote :I personally think thermal resin will be dead as a dodo in a year or so.Iād be happy to take the action on this one. Define ādeadā and tell me the wager you have in mind?!?
I remember people saying we wouldnāt be cutting down as many trees with the advent of the āpaperlessā office. Still waiting for that one to happen as well.
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Bob,
I am not a gambling man so I won’t take your bet, I was also told a few years ago that solvents were going to be banned and look where we are now.
I base my prediction on pure cost of consumables for one thing, compared with inkjet. I agree the concept of thermal printing is great (print onto clear and coloured vinyls, print gold, silver and white, spot colour) thats why I biught one, but I think in reality compared with the new generation of inkjet machines coming on the market they will not deliver comparable results. For a start the resolution is too low, 300 dpi just does not cut it today, the things are too quirky and the tapes are too damned expensive. Yes when you can get them to work right they have their uses but can you afford to have amachine in your premises with such a narrow usage range, I certainly can’t.
I had two miserable weeks with a thermal printer and I was on the verge of axing the thing to pieces. It was the most frustrating tool I have ever had the displeasure to own and I own a 4 head embroidery machine and that can be aggro believe me. I am not prepared (yet) to go public on my experiences or the make or model of this machine as I am still awaiting re-payment of my first lease payment (the machine went back). I am not a vindictive person and if I get my money back I will stop harping on about it but I am getting messed about a bit here and I know the supplier reads these pages so I will use this opportunity to say here and now if I am not re-embursed within the 10 days max I am going to blow the gaff (english expression) on this one, so watch this space.
Allan
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Cough!! (Nautilus) cough!! š
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Phil,
No comment but I tell you what I don’t like what I am reading on the Versacamm by Robert, I have posted him and asked him to come off the fence, I have one on order for Christ’s sake and I don’t want all this agg again.
Allan
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Also I might have to eat my words with Bob, I just wish some company would bring out an honest machine that will do what it says on the box and stop arsing about.
Allan
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If it’s any consolation I happen to think the versacamm is the machine that’s going to shake up this industry. With it’s low running costs and low purchase price it’s going to make thermal transfer printers obsolete…….unless of course the manufacturers finally decide to lower the running costs of thermal transfer machines to make them competivie machines to run. Take the colorcamm – a replacement cartridge for one of these could easily be manufactured and sold (at a profit) for a fraction of its current selling price. This equally applies to the edge and other thermal transfer machines. Surely this is a business opportunity for someone somewhere??
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Phill,
Have you read Roberts report?
If so what did you think.
Allan
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I have been reading (with interest) what Rob and Mike have been finding out about the Versacamm.
Also the current advice is to laminate any outdoor prints – so I would have thought that this would solve any problems that are being experienced with abrasion and solvent attack.
UV stabiltiy is something that we haven’t tested here and also needs to be considered, but from what Rodney has already said based on his experiences with Roland machines I think we can be re-assured.
If you already have a market waiting for digital printing – then I beleive the Versacamm is an ideal choice š
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Phill,
I have several thoughts on lamination, one it is another proccess and will add both time and expense to the job. Secondly if the ink is not bonded properly to the substrate the laminate will delaminate, I have had that experience before, and finally, it mkes a very thick substrate to work into crevesis and undulations on vehicle bodies.
That was the beauty with the FIRST system (if only they would drop the ruddy price I’d stick with it) it would not delaminate and if you did get some slight water ingression at the edges after time it was not an issue.
Allan
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This may be a silly suggestion/idea, but its something that I’d thought of doing as a sort of inhouse test that might apply to the Versacamm.
Could a tanning bed (UVA lamps) be used to test the UV stability of a product? With the technological leaps made in the tanning industry, presumably this would be a way of speeding up the effects that everyday UV would have, and enable modifications to be made in regards to laminates etc. I do have limited knowledge in this area (like you couldn’t tell from this post) so it’d be interesting to see if it were possible.
Cheers, Dewi
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I completely agree about the extra costs and problems associated with having to laminate outdoor prints. However, my experience (which is limited to a colorcamm) tells me that the only way you can rely on color fastness and abrasive resistance is to laminate no matter how it is printed. For this reason, I don’t think thermal transfer is neccessarily that much better than the current offering by the Versacamm. At least with the Versacamm you will have much lower running costs which means more profit for you and/or a better price offered to your clients.
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just my bit on this thermal verses inkjet debate.
2 totally differant machines, how can you compare them! each has its good points and bad points.
in an ideal world we should have both machines, but not many people can afford both.
choice your market, and buy the machine that best serves that market.
but i do agree with the comments, on the hype the manufacturers give with these machines. they try to give the impression their machine can do it all.
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Go tot agree with you there becky regarding manufacturers hype.
If you know of anyone with a Gerber 2,have alook at the portfolio folder they give you when you buy a machine.
The example sheets show what can be done with the machine,one of these examples is a pair of number plates. Nothing odd in that until you try to order the substrates and acrylics to make the same. Then the fun starts—-“no we don’t do reflectives for number plates”
why are they shown in the portfolio then?
“they are not number plates, they are graphics that look similar to a number plate” !!!!!!!!! š” š” š”Misleading or What !
darryl
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