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  • Does polycarbonate outgass?

    Posted by Gavin MacMillan on October 22, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Wondering what peoples opinions are, we heard from Robert Horne that polycarbonate will continue to outgass through its life and could therefore cause vinyl to bubble. We have used it fully coated many times and not had any issues. Problem is now we are quoting on a big job that is being specified as polycarb and don’t want to have issues down the line with it.

    Anyone had any experience with this?

    Thanks, G

    Gavin MacMillan replied 13 years, 6 months ago 9 Members · 11 Replies
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  • Bob Clarkson

    Member
    October 22, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Can’t answer that from a technical spec angle, but I’ve never had it happen to anything I’ve ever done or made. I’ve done a fair amount of coloured and clear polycarbonate, far too much to have just been lucky.

    I’ve only ever had it on motor cross plastic fuel tanks and some quad bike. They can cause problems even if their years old. But they’re certainly not polycarbonate.

  • Shane Drew

    Member
    October 22, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Yes Gavin, polycarb needs to be heated to a high temp to stop the outgassing. You need to take the protective cover off and leave it for a few days to reduce the problem, but it constantly outgasses unless it is treated with heat in an oven

    Using cast tape should be OK, but mylar films and anti graffiti films will cause issues.

    Got caught last year. Cost me a fortune to rectify

  • Peter Mindham

    Member
    October 22, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Blimey thats good to know. Just quoting on a job today with this material. I will have to rethink. 😕

    Peter

  • Steve McAdie

    Member
    October 22, 2010 at 10:17 am

    All plastics outgas Gavin, they give off more gas when new and it decreases with age. Don’t think I’ve ever applied to polycarb so can’t advise on that.

    Steve

  • Mike D

    Member
    October 22, 2010 at 11:04 am

    same as Shane , expensive little turnout . Made a directory board for a roughish trading estate ,client specced it in polcarb to make it unbreakable , short while later all the slats bubbled up . Strangely the back panel was ok . Went back a few times and finally replaced with acrylic . lesson learned

  • Jill Marie Welsh

    Member
    October 22, 2010 at 11:36 am

    It’s gassier than a husband after a night of baked beans and beer.
    I always unmask it and leave it rest a day or two.
    I always apply vinyl wet with Rapid Tac when using polycarb.
    Love….Jill

  • Gavin MacMillan

    Member
    October 22, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Interesting, like I say we have used it lots of times, fully coated and with reverse printed clear backed up in white, all sorts of different ways and never had an issue. Glad to have found this out before this quote goes out though, thanks for the help!

  • Bob Clarkson

    Member
    October 22, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Ok, so what’s the conclusion? I must admit, I pretty much always apply wet, and when using Polycarbonate, as it’s quite expensive I follow through with cast vinyl as a matter of course.
    Whether or not the cast/calendered is the difference I’ve no idea, just doesn’t seem right to stick cheap vinyl on expensive material when it’s usually intended to last.

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    October 22, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Well like Bob I must have been really lucky. I’ve used it quite a few times and never had any issues, can’t remember any supplier ever mentioning that there could be a problem either.
    Shane and Jill both live in parts of the world that are a tad warmer than Scotland so I would guess that temperature will play quite an important part in the process.

    Gavin, if you are quoting for a big job and this material has been specified them I would go back to the customer and make them aware of this before you quote. You never know this little bit of info might be enough to secure the job for you regardless of what materials they decide to use.

  • Stuart Miller

    Member
    October 22, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    I have never had a problem with vinyl on polycarbonate. I’ve only done small signs though.

    However my main experience with polycarbonate is on conservatory roofs which is a large part of my business installing solar reflective film.
    Standard window film is polyester which does not breath at all, and which we can not use on polycarbonate as the gassing would bubble it and de-laminate it in patches from the glass.
    We therefore use a specific solar film developed for polycarbonate which is vinyl based. I have fitted loads of this over large areas and it has a 10 year warranty so was under the impression that vinyl breathed enough to cope with the polycarbonate.
    But as Shane says will cause problems with mylar and anti-graffitti films which are polyester based.

  • Gavin MacMillan

    Member
    October 25, 2010 at 7:42 am

    Cheers for all the info on this guys.

    Stuart what you are saying about the polyester vs vinyl is very interesting, cheers!

    G

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