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Does anybody have hands-on experience of using SuperPID
Hi folks,
We have a CNC xyz router here and use a Bosch GFK 600 (router) for the spindle. Cracking router but screams it’s head off at 33,000 rpm! I’ve been looking at this speed control
http://www.vhipe.com/product-private/SuperPID.htm
– sounds promising but I’d like to hear from anybody who has actually got it set up and running.Anybody here using it?
Neil
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33k bloody hell… is that for acrylic?
our has a maximum rating of 18K on the spindles (AXYZ). The inverters might go further but I best not. -
quote Dave Rowland:33k bloody hell… is that for acrylic?
our has a maximum rating of 18K on the spindles (AXYZ). The inverters might go further but I best not.😀 No not acrylic. We use it for hardwood, but don’t need that speed so we’re looking for a controller to calm it down a bit 🙂
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Yes I have one fitted to my home built CNC machine. It allows me to run the router at much lower speeds without sacrificing cutting ability – Therefore less noise less heat. Easy to install too. There are various ways of controlling it. You can run it manually in which case you need to install an on off switch and control the speed using a rotary dial. Better still you can use computer software (I use mach 3). I strongly recommend it – it was a big improvement to my machine and doesn’t cost much at all
You can read all about my experiences with it here:-
http://buildyourtools.com/forums/index. … c&start=40And also in my signapp blog. 😀
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Phill – thanks for that. I’ve just scanned through some of your (lengthy) thread there which looks very interesting. Congratulations on your project there too! Going on your experience alone I’ll probably go for it and see how I get on. We use Mach3 too so your thread shoud help a lot when we come to set it up.
Excellent – many thanks,
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Neil, I have been looking in to building a cnc having followed Phills tutorials on here & having read the thread on the other forum. So far I haven’t managed to find a similar device for use on an open loop system.
I will be ordering my super pid in the near future as well on Phills recommendation :lol1: :lol1: -
I’m sure you won’t be dissapointed with it and if you need any help to set it up I’ll be pleased to help.
Another big plus point about the superpid is it provides you with speed information with it’s own digital display allowing you to accurately monitor the speed used in any cutting operation and reproduce that speed for any subsequent cutting operations. (Something you couldn’t do as accurately without a digital readout).
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Martin – I’d like to say ‘I’ll race you to it’, but maybe that’s being a bit optimistic 🙂
Phill – I hadn’t considered the benefit of the digital readout. Probably be good to record speeds for working with different materials/tools for future reference. Reading a bit more of your thread, I notice you have it working through Mach3 to switch off the router when finished. Right now we need to keep an eye on it and switch off manually so there’s an added benefit there.
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Thats right Neil. You can set commands within the cutting code to switch the router on at the begining, set the actual speed (and even alter the speed during the cut if you wish) as well as switching it off at the end. All done using Mach3 to control the superpid, so you can walk away from it and be doing something else while the machine is busy working.
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quote Phill Fenton:Thats right Neil. You can set commands within the cutting code to switch the router on at the begining, set the actual speed (and even alter the speed during the cut if you wish) as well as switching it off at the end. All done using Mach3 to control the superpid, so you can walk away from it and be doing something else while the machine is busy working.
So do you edit the G code manually to do that or does Mach3 have built in functions to add these commands?
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You have to edit the G code manualy, but it’s very easy to do. e.g S10000 sets the spindle speed to 10,000 rpm, M3 turns the router on and M5 turns the router off.
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Ordered! 🙂
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quote NeilRoss:Martin – I’d like to say ‘I’ll race you to it’, but maybe that’s being a bit optimistic 🙂
Phill – I hadn’t considered the benefit of the digital readout. Probably be good to record speeds for working with different materials/tools for future reference. Reading a bit more of your thread, I notice you have it working through Mach3 to switch off the router when finished. Right now we need to keep an eye on it and switch off manually so there’s an added benefit there.
Neil, even if I had beaten you in a race to order one it wouldn’t really have done me a lot of good seeing as I have to get the machine built before I can install & use the super pid :lol1: :lol1:
Oh & then I have that monster headache of trying to learn to use new software that I haven’t seen before, not just one lot of software either but two 😳 😳
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Martin – reading through Phill’s other thread, if you speak nice to him he’d probably be able to make one up for you over the weekend 😀
And just think of the savings – I’m currently wearing out a pair of ear defenders each week!! so it should pay for itself in no time 🙂
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programs like VCarve, add the necessary Gcodes.
Anyway, Marin is Phill if you don’t already know. They are same user.
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quote Dave Rowland:programs like VCarve, add the necessary Gcodes.
Anyway, Marin is Phill if you don’t already know. They are same user.
Aye the G code itself isn’t a problem. I just wondered if Mach3 had any built in functionality to add the stop commands automatically. I’ve never really got my hands dirty with Mach3 apart from initial config – it just does the job (very well). The G code does all I have needed to date apart from possibly a tweak to the feed rate etc. so a little ‘brain surgery’ with Mach3 is going to be interesting.
Yes I had heard the rumour about Phill’s alter ego but thought I wouldn’t resurect that thread again… 🙂
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quote NeilRoss:Martin – reading through Phill’s other thread, if you speak nice to him he’d probably be able to make one up for you over the weekend 😀
And just think of the savings – I’m currently wearing out a pair of ear defenders each week!! so it should pay for itself in no time 🙂
Where’s the fun in that Neil??? Most of the fun is in building it for yourself not actually using it :lol1:
Anyway Phill never seems to be about when I am so it’s unlikely I will be bumping into him anytime soon 😉 😉
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Awww no chance. I’ve got too many half done/unfinished ‘projects’ already sitting on high up shelves and tucked away under benches to last me the rest of my life 😕
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Been a while since you asked Neil so was just wondering if there was any feedback on your set up, mine is still sitting in the bag it came in waiting on me finishing the machine lol
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quote Martin:Been a while since you asked Neil so was just wondering if there was any feedback on your set up, mine is still sitting in the bag it came in waiting on me finishing the machine lol
Yep – SuperPID has landed! Like your’s it’s still in the bag *but* I’ve got myself a box to mount it in (You’d think it would come in a box!) and also got myself a cooling fan. Some initial preparation of the box mountings etc done, so next thing is to fit it all in the box.
I’m still thinking about how to fit the sensor. Whether to point it at the bottom end of the shaft (collet end) or not. I’d like to embed it in the top of the router (comutator end) but haven’t got to the stage of opening up the Bosch router to see how I’d go about it.
So many things to do …. so little time …. 🙄
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